Posted on 08/20/2012 7:55:26 PM PDT by sagar
Please ignore this if you are so "outraged" about Akin that you cannot dissect things more rationally and logically.
Akin made a legitimate mistake, in his choice of words. There are no legitimate rapes. A rape is a rape, whether it was legitimate or statutory. A rape destroys life -- the life of the victim. If the rape inadvertently creates life, then that should be cherished as a sign of something good out of something horrible.
So, murdering a child conceived via rape is still worth saving. By turning the rape into murder is evil. The grieving victim of the rape has no right to turn her grief on an innocent child who has absolutely no fault. The child is blessed like all children conceived.
If conservatives back now from this, they will give tremendous ammunition to the abortionists (including the Obomney wing of the GOP). Axing of Akin might be a short term victory, but it will damage the pro life movement by altering the PRINCIPLES that actually matter!
Apparently what Akin said is true - pregancy is rare via rape, according to pro-abortionists. It just surprises me that pro-lifers still don’t know how to state their belief that abortion is wrong no matter what and that comes directly from God: Thou shalt not kill. Period end of statement.
Yes- all life is sacred. Now.
In the OT, things were otherwise- to the point of obliterating all vestiges of the infidels/heathens/pagans.
Things are different now, and the path is difficult.
The Church can carry the true message; politicians may need to be more circumspect.
The Flag and the Cross are not the same...
“I think the call for Akin to withdraw is coming from two camps - those who are outraged, and those, like me, who while I can forgive his misstep, now have serious questions about his electability.”
Don’t you see, electability is a smokes screen for the corrupt and power hungry. The real matter is principle, which is being completely ignored by those shouting for his withdrawal. If he withdraws, it might be helpful in the short-term(electability), but it will harm pro life principles. Now, nobody will dare talk against abortion of rape babies. The pro-life issue will now focus on rape and not on abortion.
To some, avoiding murder is because of a religious constraint(God said so). For me, avoiding murder is plain f###ing common sense! Why murder an innocent life, regardless of what God says. Do not allow reason be harmed by what supernatural thinks or says. Sorry, this is NOT a religious issue, but a HUMAN RIGHT... the Right to Life of an innocent being!
Unfortunately, that wasn’t what he said. If that was what he meant to say, then he should have said it.
Because, ever since Roe v. Wade, and the near abolition of capital punishment, life has become cheap.
I’m with you. Kill the rapist. Confiscate his property and give it to the victim. If there is a pregnancy, give the baby a chance to live. Put it up for adoption if the mother doesn’t want it.
Yeah it sucks, but killing babies is the worst thing a human being can do.
I concur. You must word this position more artfully if you are a politician- even in rural Missouri.
Abortion is wrong. Some draw a finer line at saving the life of the mother...what do you say then, FRiend?
That’s fine what you said.
Why didn’t Akin say that?
Instead he said “legitimate rape”, which makes it sound OK, as in legit, legitimate; or, alternatively like some women “cry rape” when they weren’t in fact raped at all. By which, I suppose, he meant “statutory” rape, but who knows? Maybe he meant false accusations/claims of rape.
Then he went into all that boogy woogie bullsxxxx about how you don’t usually, generally, get pregnant if you are (I guess this is what he meant) violently sexually assaulted, because your body can just “shut that down”.
Way to go, Congressman.
DROP OUT NOW!
Oh yeah, the only murder likely here is the MURDER of the REPUBLICAN chances in November.
Please urge candidate Akin not to turn his rape of the language into the murder of our chances this fall.
Thank you.
FIND THE NUMBERS AND CALL.
TOMORROW IS THIS DOPE’S LAST DAY TO DROP OUT CLEANLY.
HE NEEDS TO FIND THE DOOR AND DEPART!
We should definitely have that discussion.
The problem is we cannot get to that discussion because we have to wade through an idiotic and utterly pointless remark that derailed the whole issue and set it back probably a decade.
Bottome line: Stupid people do not help the pro-Life cause. No matter how sincere they are, they HURT not help the cause.
I can't let this go because it implies that if prayer would be returned to the government schools that somehow the problem would be solved. It won't! Why?
The problem isn't the lack of prayer. The problem is that government schooling is ( and **always** has been) a single-payer socialist-entitlement that was never, even at its best, more than generically lukewarm in its Protestant worldview.
Government schooling at its very best offered the students a lukewarm and generic Protestantism. What does the Bible say that Christ does with the lukewarm? Answer: He spits them out of His mouth!
Children who attend lukewarm and generically Protestant government schools must learn to think and reason in a lukewarm and generic manner just to cooperate in the classroom. In other words, they risk learning to be lukewarm about their family's specific religious beliefs.
Today, the government schools are utterly godless and today children must think and reason godlessly just to cooperate. Neither situation is good for the child or for our nation.
And....Since its beginning in the mid-1800s, government schooling has been a socialist-entitlement. Children attending these schools risked, and continue to risk, learning that any voting mob powerful enough to give them tuition-free schooling is powerful enough to give them **lots** of “free” stuff. All it took to get a Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt was one to three generations of government owned and run socialist-entitlment indoctrination ( oops! “schooling”).
Solution: Begin the process of privatizing K-12 education.
“Abortion is wrong. Some draw a finer line at saving the life of the mother...what do you say then, FRiend?”
That is a horrible situation to be put in. It is similar to separating conjoined twins where they must be separated for either one of them to survive. My take on this:
- this is a treatment where the INTENT is to save a life, not kill a life. Abortion’s intent is to kill a life, in order to make life less inconvenient for a woman.
- a treatment needs to happen, regardless of the outcome of the treatment, because only the act of treatment can save any life. If no treatment, no life, since both mother and child die.
- every treatment is unique, but in the treatment, perhaps the baby could be extracted safely. If not possible, the mother needs to be separated from the child for any possibility of her surviving.
- all treatments have risk. Death during separation is the risk due to limits in technology. In the olden days, both mother and child would die anyway. In the future, nobody dies!
Basically, I do NOT see the act of saving life as abortion. Am I wrong? Does it matter?
Just being pro-life isn’t enough. If you lack the ability to articulate this view well, express yourself foolishly, and alienate voters in the process, then are you really going to help that cause?
In the grand scheme of things, the ONLY thing that really matters if whether or not we value innocent life. Everything is trivial — including economic philosophies.
History tells us that non-capitalist economies such as Communism put LESS emphasis on individual lives, thus they are more evil. In capitalism, where individual is supreme and has FREE WILL! Capitalism has its dark sides, but it is blindingly brighter than any other system out there.
This whole episode is rediculas, can we move on already?
I am the product of a rape, had abortion been legal when i was in my mother womb, I would not have made it to full term.
My mother already had 7 children, and we literally had dirt floors. If anyone should be insulted it should be me, and I am not. So can we please us move on and quit helping the Democrats and Rinos do their work.
We all misspeak at some time that is bad for us, let us not destroy our chance at gaining a super majority in the Senate by helping Claire McCaskill stay in Washington as Mo Senator.
Todd Akin is the vest man for the job, and he already apologized, so enough already.
Sorry Sagar, but since Reagan, the exceptions have always been rape, incest and the life of the mother. As far as I’m concerned the exceptions are as inviolate as the rest of the pro-life plank.
This is the really real world. It’s not all happy endings and sunshine when a rape victim carries a baby to term. A fragile psyche can’t always withstand another 9 months of assault. People break. Also, please don’t hand me a line that watching the product of violence grow inside of her isn’t assault. Maybe some women will be able to compartmentalize the rape and separate it from the pregnancy, but everyone with a room temperature IQ knows that not every woman will be able to do so.
A marriage can’t always survive a husband watching another man’s baby grow in his wife’s womb, even when it was forced upon her. In the same fashion, perhaps some men can, but we know for certain that not all men are capable.
A thirteen year old’s life is no less at risk being impregnated so soon after becoming fertile because she didn’t consent. It’s just a fact of life that young girls become fertile before their bodies are fully developed. Immature skeletons with narrow pelvises, inabilities to create to enough red blood cells to handle the increased blood volume, inability of the immature venous system to handle increased flow creates PIH, etc etc.
No, as I told another poster. We’ll be keeping those exceptions to the pro-life platform for some time to come. Bear in mind that you really don’t want those who are pro-life in the Reagan sense to be forced to choose between two extremes. You’ll lose.
I think you have expressed the issue with great wisdom.
I am not a great fan of medical intervention- in the old days God made the selections because we humans had few options.
Things are more complicated now, and primativists are not held in high esteem.
Your pro-life continuum through the issues is the right path, IMHO.
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