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In my opinion timing will be everything. Leaving for a BOL to late and you run the risk of being stranded, homeless and a refugee. I have no answer as to the magic formula that tells you it's time to get out of Dodge.

I would recommend that if you do have a BOL you might consider the first week of November to be a good choice in to stage a practice bug out. It can't hurt.

For those of you that a rural retreat just isn't possible or practical consider a couple options. Practice that week bugging in at your home. Practice your plans, test your equipment, use some of your supplies cook over a fire, use stored water, try going the week or 5 days or so without using power, gas, city water/sewer. Practice stealth see if you can spend the week at home without any one knowing you are home.

November 6th is a crossroads a good time to reflect, practice and pray.

1 posted on 08/24/2012 6:29:12 PM PDT by Kartographer
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Weekly Preppers’ Thread!!!!!


2 posted on 08/24/2012 6:30:34 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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I live in a rural area and have everything I need except gasoline and food. During the Summer and early Fall, I have enough fruit to live on tho I would get tired of figs, Japanese persimmons, pears, pecans, apples, grapes, and plums.

I guess I should store some meat and spices and maybe dried meals. I have plenty of water and wood for fuel.

I once ran into an incredible deal on MREs at a gun show. Some guy had a pickup truck full of them he had obtained after Hurricane Andrew. I think he was just tired of hauling them around and he traded me 36 cases of 12 each for only $40. That may have been the cheapest anyone ever got MREs. Well I bet he got them for nothing.

That was roughly 10 cents per meal and these were the real thing with heaters.

Basically the best thing for me to do would be to stay home.


3 posted on 08/24/2012 6:44:11 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Kartographer

I agree.

I’m planning to soon take a week and go “off the grid.” I live in the woods, have a well and septic.

Sewer won’t be a problem. But water will be. My well has a 220 volt motor. Short of buying a 220 volt generator, I’m not sure how to handle this. I plan to catch rain water and filter it through a Big Berky-like setup. I’ve been buying five gallon pickle buckets for $2/each at Firehouse Subs, $$ goes to charity. Food grade plastic.

During my trial I will let the electric run the ‘fridge, but don’t plan to open it. No electric lights, no A/C, no heat.

I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about what the trial will be like. Simple stuff like how to keep track of time. Do you have a wind up clock? How about an automatic wristwatch?

My goal is to pretend we’ve been hit by an EMP. I guess that’s the worst case scenario.

I’m looking forward to taking lots of notes and learning a lot.


4 posted on 08/24/2012 6:57:37 PM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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Absolutely - PRACTICE.

Get away from, move out of cities.

Either have a place snuggled away, gardens, know how to can, have own well - with all-weather hand pump, wood stove, 2-yr supply of wood, know your wild edibles, know who your area people are -

you are not going to be able to just hike off into the woods after TSHTF - Woods you may think are ‘unihabited”, aren’t. The locals won’t be waiting with open arms - “arms” yes, but not “open”


5 posted on 08/24/2012 6:59:21 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does....)
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Tip number 1(Over ruling lame article): If you are not part of an army, then an army is likely to kill you and take your stuff (as you lack the air support, artillery support, and likely the MOPP gear that are required to hold out against an army more than five tenths of a second.

When an army arrives and tells you to leave your bolt hole, either just go or beg to join them if they match your ideology.

I know this isn't what you want to hear.
To damned bad. This is the only course that can save your life and the life of your family.

I say this as a military man that will likely be part of an army if TSHTF. I don't have time to mess with you, and nobody else will either. You will not be granted an encounter risking personnel to small arms fire.

6 posted on 08/24/2012 7:03:01 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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This may sound silly and off topic, but people on well water should stock up on some extra toilet hardware. In particular water flappers. You don't want to use up precious energy or well water. Flappers are cheap, but tend to have a high failure rate with time.

Just something I've wanted to raise. I recommend Bull's Eye Harsh Water Flapper #501. $5.95 with free shipping on Amazon Prime.
7 posted on 08/24/2012 7:03:10 PM PDT by PA Engineer (What if the rabbit hole is endless?)
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In regards to the last generator prep ping, we finally finished our research and have chosen the Kohler 14KW RES model. Made in the good ol USA too!

Runs on propane and has the juice to power everything here at the "Gulch". We have three tanks with a total capacity of 2,000 gallons to keep the cabin warm and run power for quite a spell.

NOTE! These units are not cheap! Yet we found a package that includes the generator (all self contained weather/rust wise), the 100amp 16 space automatic transfer switch, a free interstate battery to kick start it and best of all... Free shipping and no tax!!! Put it all together (plus a maintenance package and warning labels) for $3700.00!!!

Freep mail me if any of you are interested in getting in on this (I get a finders fee if you do!)

12 posted on 08/24/2012 8:26:36 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: Kartographer

resource


16 posted on 08/24/2012 9:43:02 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties, we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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Rub out freepmailing for the information... Turns out the finders fee is for another of their products (generac) which I don't recommend. So I'll give all the name of the outfit which is:

http://www.apelectric.com/

As you will see they cover most all generation equipment and I'm sure you will find what you are looking for. The Kohler's use natural gas and/or lpg. This is a very smart investment having a standby generator for shtf as well as power outages during the inclement months!

17 posted on 08/24/2012 10:21:28 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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On Drudge today is a headline about Iran’s space port becoming operational next spring. They say they will be launching satellites for themselves and the Arab world.

Read: Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP). A detonation 250 miles above Chicago and the entire USA grid goes down. Dr. Graham, Chair of the 2008 EMP Commission report to Congress estimates a 90% die off. Yes, read that again 90% of our population will die. The Arab world salivates at the thought of it.

Under those brutal conditions staying out of sight for as much as a year might be the only solution for most. You will need food, unlimited water, a means of handling waste and cooking fuel. If starving bands of thieves do not know you are there, you will never have to fight them.

How: Undetectable basement below a fireproof house. An earthbag “cave” built into a side hill, covered with dirt and planted with grass with a secret entrance is another way to go.

If you “Bug Out” from the city with your gear with or without a car and no long term place to go, you will die. You will be a refugee. All refugee’s in these conditions with no help coming from anywhere, will die. Even if you can’t afford it, get a place where you can hide within 50 miles of your city. Do it with a group if you have to. Get guns of course in case your are found but staying out of sight is the way to go.

Hunting with a gun takes time and makes noise but even deer can be taken with a snare. Stock up now on all sizes.

After that year and you start again it will not be unlike those on the Mayflower starting a life. Get a shortwave to communicate AFTER the die off.

Good luck.


22 posted on 08/25/2012 5:16:18 AM PDT by Any Fate But Submission
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I have had to use my preps after hurricanes took out power, so I don’t need to practice, however, I’ll be aware of what is happening if Hussein loses the election that week.

Never in my long life have I had to worry about major civil unrest after a presidential election.


25 posted on 08/25/2012 9:28:12 AM PDT by Marcella (Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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"When looking to set up a retreat site you want to try and be at least one full tank of gas plus a minimum of another fifty miles away from any major city/suburb center."

Don't think about fuel availability or securing pretties safely in cities during disasters. Make that one-way trip. ;-)


33 posted on 08/25/2012 6:49:26 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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