Posted on 09/11/2012 8:26:06 AM PDT by Ben Barrack
Conspiracy theories about 9/11 are in abundance. Some even believe that it was an “inside job”. We reject this notion completely. However, it is becoming increasingly obvious that the Bush administration made a conscious and very ill-advised decision not to go after the real perpetrators of the attacks – Saudi Government officials, Princes, and wealthy financiers. The accounts of the deaths of three Saudi Princes in particular don’t just border on absurd; they cross the line into absurdity. Foul play is the only logical conclusion.
On the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, Americans should come to grips with the fact that those responsible for attacking us have not been brought to justice. Yes, Osama bin Laden is dead and the nineteen hijackers who rammed our own airliners into our own buildings in order to slaughter 3000 Americans are long gone but who provided al-Qaeda with the financing necessary to carry out these attacks and why were so many individuals and entities who were responsible, not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report at all?
Three Saudi Princes were outed by Abu Zubaydah thanks to Enhanced Interrogation Techniques (EIT); three hundred Saudis were permitted to fly out of the United States in the days after 9/11, many of whom were not questioned, including one of the three Princes; this means that U.S. authorities allowed at least one culpable Saudi Prince out of the country. Were there more?
The cold hard truth is that our government knew full well who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks and chose NOT to make them pay.
Unless, of course, you believe three Saudi Princes were solely responsible for the deaths of 3000 Americans.
http://www.shoebat.com/2012/09/11/911-bombshell-report-3000-americans-for-three-saudi-princes/
They were friends of Bush. Instead he went after someone he did not like who had nothing to do with it.
BILL CLINTON has more responsibility and BLAME than anyone, he did NOTHING about Osama when he had the chance. Perhaps he desired to leave HIS problems to the next President, knowing that one would take all the BLAME for him, that's democrat politics for you.
Stop with the woulda, coulda, shouda stuff about BUSH. Try that same woulda, coulda, shouda against Slick Willie and his ILK.
No question that the chief movers behind 9/11 were the Saudis.
Saddam Hussein also played a part in it, and I had no quarrel with the invasion if Iraq. But I assumed—wrongly—that Bush would follow through, and would deal with the Saudis after he had secured the Iraqi oil supply.
Instead, he pulled his punches in Iraq after the successful invasion, dragged it out, and did nothing about the Saudis. Bush and his father were good pals of the Saudi sheikhs, and evidently that outweighed their obligation to defend our country from its enemies.
The momentum was lost, and by the time Obama came in, Iraq was a churning mess with little gain from our military victories. And the Saudis still run the show. No wonder Obama bows down to them—although for different reasons than Bush.
We needed someone to go back and run the Muslim Brotherhood, so we could help them form their empire.
So even though OBL said it was his operation, his idea and he coordinated the whole thing, that was a ruse?
I find this post offensive.
The Saudis keep their friends close and their enemies even closer.
Conspiracy theories about 9/11 are in abundance...
Might as well stop reading there.
Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are not our friends. We must recognize that.
Thank you. I also believe Clinton should be included in any discussion of blame for 9-11. No one seems very interested as to why he did very little to nothing when we were attacked here and on foreign soil on his watch.
Making war on Saudi Arabia after 9-11 would make about as much sense as prosecuting the Hearst family for the bank robbery her (kidnapped) daughter engaged in.
Bush was SERVED a double edge sword by Slick and the democrats. They intended for that sword to FOREVER slay any Republican that even thought about becoming President again, they have almost succeeded.
Talk about FORWARD thinking!!!!!
Bomb Mecca and Medina with the dirtiest nukes we have.
Close all the mosques and ISA’s in the US.
Decalre the false religion of Islam a subversdive terrorist organization and start rounding ‘em all up, (starting with fifth columnist Keith Ellison.)
This is a war we must win, I could care less about legal niceties in dealing with them at this point.
If Shoebat is a Saudi, he is under the aegis of a prince. That's the way the KSA brand of petro-feudalism works.
Trying to figure out which KSA prince did what .. or which one is a good guy and which a bad guy ... is a really good way to go nuts. The Saudi game is one with very high stakes. They have a "nationally (family) owned" limitless supply of a commodity that they produce and ship for $2/bbl that eventually sells for $100/bbl X millions of bbls every day. About 5% of that is more than enough to run the country on a very lavish scale. The rest is for mischief.
In KSA, one really can't even "Follow the Money," The House of Saud in some unfathomable way splits it up about 3 million ways and it changes every day. We don't get a vote. We don't have to like it. We do have to know that whatever follows this "goverment" is bound to be much worse for our national interest. A Westerner, or a Western Government can believe NOTHING these people say ... and that's the people from whatever is currently the top on any given day, to the bottom.
Say, here's an idea just off the top of my head. Since we've got plenty, why don't we just produce our own oil?
These people are nothing but nomad Bedouins, and should be dealt with like the trash they are.
No one would give a crap about them if it wasn’t what they were sitting on.
An escape from prison planet... sigh...
We have enough natural gas to meet 500 years of demand. So, where is the NG-Powered car? Where are the Diesel-powered passenger cars and light trucks (which alone could end our dependence upon foreign sources)? Every other automotive country in the world is switching to them. Not us. A Toyota Corolla with the Diesel motor available in Japan gets over 60 mpg!
Any fool with minimal what used to be HS science and math can see that Coal, Oil, Natural Gas, and Nuclear power will reign for the next 200 years ... not wind, solar, tide, and whatever a the mind of a lawyer who majored in "English" can conjure up.
Sure we should develop "Alternative Sources." In the meantime the fools whom some malignant gods have placed in charge with the votes of the stupid have no right to cripple our economy while they chase pseudo-scientific will'o'the-wisps.
I unequivocally reject Alex Jones and the 9/11 Truthers.
If you actually read it, you might get it.
Yes. Agree.
It is more expensive to produce more of our own oil than it is to import it. When the price goes up the Texas oil wells get put down. When the price goes down - it no longer makes economic sense to pump it up and they cap the well.
Here is an idea off the top of my head - let us buy up all the cheap oil they want to sell us for the next couple of decades and save ours until the supply starts to diminish or until the price goes up.
The number one problem the US has is energy!
At $4/gallon for gas, our consumer based economy is not going anywhere.
Romney should have put forth a simple plan to fix the price of oil at $50 per barrel, by selling future rights to our own oil. A slightly more complex plan would tie part of the revenue to reducing the debt.
IOW/ drill baby drill needs to be actualized into a common sense plan that can be pasted on a gas pump.
Will that $50 a bbl cover the costs of production?
I did.
“The cold hard truth is that our government knew full well who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks and chose NOT to make them pay.”
You aslo go down the very “jones esque” train of thought
“three hundred Saudis were permitted to fly out of the United States in the days after 9/11, many of whom were not questioned, including one of the three Princes; this means that U.S. authorities allowed at least one culpable Saudi Prince out of the country”
Supposition on your part and leading supposition at that.
“Clinton should be included in any discussion of blame for 9-11”
Let’s not forget the suppression of the evidence pointing to John Doe #2 for the OKC bombing.
It’s hard to blame the right wing when they are being handled by an Iraqi.
Oh and by the way, Romney has already said that royalty revenue from increasing oil production would help us reduce the deficit and eventually balance the budget.
Uh,
9/11 Commission staffers released a supplemental report one month after the Commission Report.
Allow me to quote from it:
The Lexington, Kentucky, Flight. On September 16, 2001, a chartered luxury Boeing 727 departed from Lexington, Kentucky, for England.
There were 14 individuals on board, the majority of whom were Saudi nationals, including Saudi Prince Ahmed Bin Salman Bin Abdulaziz and his son Prince Sultan Bin Fahad Bin Salman Abdulaziz; the latter had flown to Lexington from Tampa, Florida, on September 13, 2001.
http://www.statewatch.org/news/2004/aug/911-terr-trav.pdf
That prince was identified by Abu Zubaydah through waterboarding, as being complicit in 9/11. Four months later, that prince was dead.
I’ve believed, and continue to believe, that an unstated reason for invading Iraq was to take out the big regional threat to Saudi Arabia and this allow us to reposition our forces out of Saudi this allowing the House of Saud to go to work on it’s internal troublemakers. Something that could have incited a Civil War had it taken place while US forces were still there.
In support of this, I’d not how quickly and thoroughly the US una$$ed from Saudi after the defeat of Saddam and his regime.
I’d also point out how little we’ve heard about the Saudi “street” and potential civil war since we’ve left. There was an article five or six years ago about how the House of Saud had broken it’s covenant with the Wahibbist clergy and were going after them with a (quiet) vengeance. But I haven’t been able to find it in a while.
Prince Ahmed Bin Salman Bin Abdulaziz
died of Heart Failure at age 43 july 2002
Having been a major investor in American Horse Raceing and living in the USA a good deal of the time.
That the blog is restating claims by the rather dubious Gerald Posner - JFK and 911 conspiracy author and former writer for the daily beast before being fired for plagiarism does not bolster your case.
I believe I quoted from a 9/11 Commission Staff Report.
Prince Ahmed Bin Salman Bin Abdulaziz
died of Heart Failure at age 43 july 2002
Having been a major investor in American Horse Raceing and living in the USA a good deal of the time.
That the blog is restating claims by the rather dubious Gerald Posner - JFK and 911 conspiracy author and former writer for the daily beast before being fired for plagiarism does not bolster your case.
Oh, did I mention Judicial Watch?
http://www.911myths.com/images/1/1f/DanMarcus_Box6_Saudis_Post9-11SaudiFlights.pdf
And unless you can read Arabic, you’re not qualified to talk about the Saudi news reports about this prince’s death (as well as two others all within the same week).
May I suggest you read more and type less.
Telling the Saudis to hold the al-Qaeda financiers accountable would be like telling the Japanese Emperor to do the same with the fighter pilots that hit us in Pearl Harbor.
Insane strategy.
Firstly sorry for the the double posting.
Yes you did quote the report, but in the original blog there are conclusory statements far closer to those of Posner, that you admonished me to read the blog, the obvious inference is that you were defending it not the rather dry statement of the official report.
The quote from the report made no such claim of culpability by any of the people the blog mentions.
I am not "anti-big oil," but I gotta tell you that "Big Oil" Accountants, aided and abetted by an arcane and zany set of govregs, could easily make one belief that they are losing money at a $1000/bbl. The next President should also promise to shoot an environmentalist every 10 days on the WH lawn. And a movie star environmentalist every 5 days. Especially one that lives in Beverly Hills, an active production zone paying handsome royalties to these silly bozos.
"Drilling Dry Holes," "The Cost of Exploration," Yadda yadda, pass the damn tissues. Largely Boolshiite. They could make money at $20/bbl, especially if we had leadership that could recognize the inanity of "boutique fuels" customized for every urban area, low-sulfur diesel, ethanol additives, etc. ad naus. (For the next twenty-five years, it's my belief that Diesel is the way to go. It's easier to refine and modern diesels run clean enough for any man.)
The world is awash in crude oil. Its commodity price is very largely a market construct. Supply of finished petroleum products is kept in check by much lower than "natural" refining capacity. The CHICOM know this and are attempting to develop crude supplies that will give them cheap energy even after they ship it 12,000 miles from Venezuela, Cuba, and the Sudan to China. When they start getting it from the South China Sea, we'll really see what cheap energy does for an economy, just as it did and should do for ours!
Energy ... especially good old-fashioned crude awl, is a racket. If I were in on it, I wouldn't want to change it either!
may I suggest you read the Report instead of the blog.
http://www.shoebat.com/2012/09/11/911-bombshell-report-3000-americans-for-three-saudi-princes/
Part of what’s at issue includes a 28-page section of Congress Join Inquiry report that continues to remain classified. 9/11 families want it and get get it. 9/11 families also attempted to hold the Saudi Royal family accountable in court and then Solicitor General Kagan petitioned the Supreme court to side with the Saudis.
Vanity Fair story in 2011 interviewed a CIA operative that confirms the Zubaydah angle.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/08/9-11-2011-201108
I’m not a truther but also not willing to give Bush a pass. After 9/11, he had 90% approval and could have used that political capital to strive for energy independence while holding the Saudis to account.
Instead, he seems to have chosen the path of least resistance.
cute
Interesting language, now for some facts.
How do you spell Gog? I spell it GeOrGe.
Gog facts:
Here's a few other facts you may not be aware of.
Gog's weapons are already on Israeli soil. (Ezekiel 39:9) and Oplan 4305. Note plan 5 from 43.
Oplan 4305: Contingency plan for the defense of Israel. Arkin also says the U.S. has quietly pre-positioned munitions and equipment on Israeli soil.
No kidding take a look at this...
Unusually Large U.S. Weapons Shipment to Israel: Are the US and Israel Planning a Broader Middle East War?
by Michel Chossudovsky
Clip:
Escalation Scenario
The shipment ordered on December 31 is of the order of 3000 tons, an unusually large and heavy cargo of "ammunition" pointing to the transfer of heavy weaponry to Israel.
According to US military statements, the ordinance is for stockpiling, to be used "at short notice" in the eventuality of a conflict:
"This previously scheduled shipment is routine and not in support of the current situation in Gaza. ...The U.S. military pre-positions stockpiles in some countries in case it needs supplies at short notice." (Reuters, 10 Jan 2009, emphasis added)
Whatever the nature of these large weapons shipments, they are intended for use in a future military operation in the Middle East.
Since the launching of the Theater Iran Near Term Operation Operation (TIRANNT) in May 2003, an escalation scenario involving military action directed against Iran and Syria has been envisaged. TIRANNT was followed by a series of military plans pertaining to Iran. Numerous official statements and US military documents have pointed to an expanded Middle East war...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11743
You don't say...
Notice the language in Ezekiel regarding Gog and the land, nowhere does it say Gog attacks Israel, it says "Gog shall come against the land of Israel" (38:18).
Which means Palestinian State! At the same time, The Madrid Conference (land for peace) and The Perfect Storm October 30 - November 1, 1991
Ezekiel 38
18 “And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” says the Lord GOD, “that My fury will show in My face. 19 For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken:
Madrid Conference of 1991
The Madrid Conference was hosted by the government of Spain and co-sponsored by the USA and the USSR. It convened on October 30, 1991 and lasted for three days. It was an early attempt by the international community to start a peace process through negotiations involving Israel and the Arab countries including Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and the Palestinians. In the aftermath of the 1991 Gulf War, US President George H.W. Bush and his Secretary of State James Baker formulated the framework of objectives, and together with the Soviet Union extended a letter of invitation, dated October 30, 1991 to Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and the Palestinians.
The Palestinian team, due to Israeli objections, was initially formally a part of a joint Palestinian-Jordanian delegation and consisted of Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza without open PLO association like Saeb Erekat, Faisal Husseini, Hanan Ashrawi and Haidar Abdel-Shafi, the head of the delegation, who were however in constant communication with the PLO leadership in Tunis.
The purpose of the conference was to serve as an opening forum for the participants and had no power to impose solutions or veto agreements. It inaugurated negotiations on both bilateral tracks and on multilateral tracks that also involved the international community. The Syrian and Lebanese negotiators agreed on a common strategy…
…'The idea is not to go backwards but to return to the basic formula that was established in Madrid: the exchange of land for peace,
At the end of the Madrid conference all participating countries appeared hopeful that the conference had resulted in a future road-map for reconciliation. The closing remarks presented below illustrate this hopeful sentiment:
Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir , 1 November 1991 “With an open heart, we call on the Arab leaders to take the courageous step and respond to our outstretched hand in peace” [8]
Head of the Palestinian Delegation, Haydar Abd al-Shafi, 1 November 1991 “To the cosponsors and to the international community that seeks the achievement of a just peace in the Middle East, you have given us a fair hearing. You cared enough to listen and for that we thank you. Thank you.” [9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid_Conference_of_1991
…'The idea is not to go backwards but to return to the basic formula that was established in Madrid: the exchange of land for peace.
The Perfect Storm
October 1991
An enormous extratropical low is creating havoc along the entire Eastern Atlantic Seaboard in this infrared image at 1200 UTC (0700 EST) on October 30, 1991.
Labelled the 'perfect storm' by the National Weather Service, the storm sank the swordfishing boat Andrea Gail, whose story became the basis for the currently best-selling novel 'The Perfect Storm' by Sebastian Junger. A little-known and bizarre ending came to this monster, which came to be known as the Halloween Storm. To tell this incredible story in its entirety, the Satellite's Eye Art Gallery spans two subject headings (Extratropical Cyclones and Hurricanes)!
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/satellite/satelliteseye/cyclones/pfctstorm91/pfctstorm.html
BTW, the move Perfect Storm hit theaters in 2000 and network TV in 2004, anyone else notice this?
What's in a name?
GOG MGOG
Hebrew: Gimel Vav Gimel – Mem Gimel Vav Gimel.
The Hebrew letter ‘Mem’ as a prefix means 'from' or GOG from GOG, read GeOrGe from GeOrGe.
The GOG wars are the wars of GeOrGe.
Ezekiel
39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
Why would Israel give Gog a burial place if Gog was an enemy?
Gog and all his multitude, NATO? The Valley of Austere Challenge? October surprise?
'You're either with us or against us'
George W. Bush
Ezekiel 38:3 Thus says the Lord GOD: “Behold, I am against you, O Gog.
Oops!
Ezekiel 38:9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with Thee.
Desert Storm
Etc... As always there's lots and lots and lots more!
So, you post a link to a truther esq blog, then back it up with statements for a report that does not comport with the concussions of the blog.
You then recommend that I read the .gov report while also recommending other articles.. why not recommend the source document for the V.F. article
The Eleventh Day: The Full Story of 9/11 and Osama bin Laden
Which for the most part is a post mortem on the mistakes made by various levels of .gov
Well the initial effect of the Iraq war was to INCREASE the military presence of the USA within Saudi Arabia, during a war against a Sunni Muslim leader - this may well have ‘flushed out’ the Saudi radicals from the high grass - but I doubt very much if it was even a tertiary rational for the war.
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