Black Friday: 47-Inch LCD HDTVs For $299?

tvpredictions.com ^ | October 3, 2012 | Phillip Swann

[Las Vegas Dave]

Another day, another set of Black Friday predictions from a web site that tracks online and retail deals. This time it's from DealNews.com and the site is making some bold forecasts for prices on HDTVs on the big shopping day.

For instance, says DealNews.com, you can expect that 42-inch 1080p LCD HDTVs will be available for $189. (The web site, GottaDeal.com, earlier this week predicted that 42-inch,1080p HDTVs will go for $349 on Black Friday.).

DealNews predicts that 32-inch,1080p LCD HDTVs will be available for $159 on the big day and 47-inch, 1080p LCD HDTVs will go for as low as $299.

"With 42" sets bottoming out at $189, 46" and 47" HDTVs are the new "entry level" TVs, giving retailers plenty of room to slash prices. We're thus doubling down and predicting that this size category, like 42" last year, will see the most aggressive deals this November," the site writes.

Moving to larger-screen sets, DealNews.com says 55-inch, 1080p LCD HDTV will be available for $499 while 3D versions of the 55-inch set will be priced at $789. The site sees 60-inch, 1080p LCD HDTVs going for $719 while Plasma 60-inch, 1080p sets will be available for $569.

And if you're concerned that the low prices will only be available on generic brands, DealNews.com has this to say:

"Keep in mind that there are very few third-tier 60" HDTVs sold anymore, so the deals you'll find will be on brand-name sets from the likes of Samsung, LG, and Sharp."

For background, retailers traditionally offer deep discounts on the day after Thanksgiving, better known as Black Friday, the unofficial start of the holiday shopping season. (Black Friday this year will be November 23.)

The discount prices are often available for one day only -- and may include restrictions on time and supply. Discount hunters also have to contend with the frenzied atmosphere of Black Friday which some shoppers view as a day of combat.

DealNews.com also predicts that Blu-ray players with Wi-Fi built-in will be had for $39 while 3D versions will be $59.

(Black Friday predictions.from GottaDeal.com.)

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[BenLurkin]

Thankfully, I don’t need another TV. But if I did, that would be an attractive offer.

[Red in Blue PA]

Standing in line at midnight and then getting trampled by a mob ain’t worth it to me......at any price. Call me crazy.

[Red in Blue PA]

Standing in line at midnight and then getting trampled by a mob ain’t worth it to me......at any price. Call me crazy.

[SunkenCiv]

That’ll be a sale! :’)

[FreedomPoster]

We’ve started going to Churchill Downs on Black Friday and watching the horses. Beats the heck out of going to malls!

[Hot Tabasco]

Call me crazy.

You're crazy!

Look at it as kind of an adventure. Like being in Pamplona Spain for the running of the bulls.......LOL!

[Future Snake Eater]

Hmmm...maybe I can pick up a couple of those for replacement computer monitors...

[Gay State Conservative]

I can break into my neighbor's house and get a 65 inch plasma for nothing.The only problem is that he might shoot me.

[wita]

Look at it as kind of an adventure. Like being in Pamplona Spain for the running of the bulls.......LOL!

I get up at four in the morning, stay on the side streets and still pick up some good deals and have fun doing it.

Mostly it means staying out of Wal-Mart.

[Dallas59]

Are Plasma TV’s any good?

[WackySam]

Are Plasma TV’s any good?

The best. Although they do use more power and don't perform as well under very bright conditions.

[Just mythoughts]

Thank you for the ping.

[RayChuang88]

The top-of-the-line Panasonic VT50 series of plasma TV's are excellent, but be aware they generate a lot of heat, especially at the larger screen sizes.

[Las Vegas Dave]

(HDTV Ping list members note: this will be my Black Friday thread for 2012, I will add BF bargains/news/updates/etc. to this thread.)

http://www.tvpredictions.com/isuppli101912.htm
Holiday 2012: Big Bargains For TVs, Gadgets?

Washington, D.C. (October 19, 2012) — The holiday shopping predictions continue to stream in and all are saying that retailers will offer big discounts on TVs and other gadgets.

Research firm IHS iSuppli is the latest to weigh in with predictions that include 42-inch, 1080p LCD TVs available for under $200; 55-inch LCD TVs with 3D capability slashed from $1,400 to $800 and Blu-ray players available for under $40.

iSuppli says the discounts will be required to lure consumers who are still struggling to survive in today’s down economy.

“Amid weak economic conditions, along with a lack of compelling new products, electronics brands have little choice but to slash prices to gain the attention of buyers,” iSuupli said in a statement. “While consumer electronics brands and retailers always offer bargains for Black Friday, this year is likely to bring extremely steep price declines.”

iSuppli said the deals mentioned above will “get shoppers out on Black Friday.”

Retailers traditionally offer deep discounts on the day after Thanksgiving, better known as Black Friday, the unofficial start of the holiday shopping season. (Black Friday this year will be November 23.) But many analysts believe that online and retail stores will continue to offer low prices throughout the holiday season.

In other holiday predictions, DealNews has said that 32-inch,1080p LCD HDTVs will be available for $159 on Black Friday while 47-inch, 1080p LCD HDTVs will go for as low as $299.

GottaDeal.com says that 720p 42-inch sets will likely be available for as low as $249 with 47-inch and 50-inch LCD and LED models available for around $399 and $449 respectively.

[listenhillary]

The top-of-the-line Panasonic VT50 series of plasma TV's are excellent, but be aware they generate a lot of heat, especially at the larger screen sizes.

Get them before the EPA bans them.

"May 17 2008 "We can't drive our SUVs and, you know, eat as much as we want and keep our homes on, you know, 72 degrees at all times, whether we're living in the desert or we're living in the tundra, and then just expect every other country is going to say OK"

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[Las Vegas Dave]

FYI

http://www.isuppli.com/Display-Materials-and-Systems/MarketWatch/Pages/Global-Television-Shipments-to-Shrink-in-2012.aspx

After peaking in 2011, global television shipments are expected to decline by 5.4 percent in 2012 as growth in the liquid crystal display (LCD) market stalls, marking the first decrease since the widespread commercialization of flat-panels, according to a new IHS iSuppli Worldwide Television Market Tracker Report from information and analytics provider IHS.
Television shipments reached an all-time high of 255 million units in 2011 but will decline to 241 million this year, the first contraction to occur since IHS iSuppli started tracking televisions. After years of double-digit-percentage increases, LCD TV shipments in 2012 will be flat compared to 2011.

The large drop in volume is due to decreased TV shipments into Japan, down from 19.8 million units in 2011 to just 7.5 million units in 2012, following the end of government subsidies for eco-friendly consumer electronics. Not counting Japan, global TV shipments are set to remain broadly the same in 2012, with growth in developing TV markets like Latin America and the Middle East-Africa offset by the small decline in North America and Europe.

Meanwhile, shipments this year of legacy cathode ray tube televisions (CRT TVs) and plasma display panel televisions (PDP TVs) will continue to fall precipitously. CRT TV volumes will slide from 25.5 million in 2011 to 15.8 million this year, while PDP TV shipments will retreat to 8.9 million in 2012, down from 13.9 million last year.

Growth will return to the television market in 2014. Once this stabilization occurs, the year 2015 will see global shipments return to growth, and sales will rise in countries such as Brazil, India and Indonesia.

By 2017, IHS forecasts 282 million TVs will be shipped worldwide, far more than the current peak in 2011.

CRT TVs to be non-existent by 2015

One of the major reasons for the decline in unit shipments is the continued fall of CRT TVs. This is not a surprise given the long-term decline of the market, but it is having an impact on the overall shipment of televisions and causing a period of adjustment. By 2016, CRT TV technology will become nonexistent as all regions switch to LCD and organic light-emitting diode (OLED) technology, IHS iSuppli believes.

Currently, there are no CRT TVs being shipped in Western Europe, North America and Japan. Eastern Europe now represents only a sliver of what once was a major shipment destination for the technology. Even the former stronghold of Latin America is experiencing a decrease in the number of shipments of CRT TVs in the region, with digitization and economic growth spurring the uptake of flat-panels.

The majority of CRT TVs that are shipped now go into the Asia-Pacific region, primarily into India and Indonesia, at about 60 percent, with the next most significant region being the Middle East and Africa—primarily sub-Saharan Africa—at 15 percent. However, even these regions will be phasing out of the CRT-TV business during the next three years.

PDP TVs have reached their peak

Last year was the peak for PDP televisions.

In 2012, two of the largest supporters of PDP—Panasonic and LG Electronics—began scaling back plasma operations. LG reduced shipments in the first half of 2012, as did Panasonic; only Samsung actually increased shipments in 2012 . Plasma TVs do not lack for quality, but with large-sized LCD TVs rapidly reducing their pricing, plasma demand is beginning to decline, and with the exception of Samsung, manufacturers are transitioning away from plasma volumes.

OLED rising

While the inevitable decline for CRT and PDP TVs continues, OLED TVs will be the next big thing. While the early OLED TVs were launched in 2009 and 2010 by Sony and LG, these were small 11- and 15-inch televisions that were priced extremely high, limiting their appeal among consumers.

In the third quarter, both LG and Samsung are releasing 55-inch OLED TVs into the market. These televisions are initially expected to carry a very high average selling price—at around the $9,000 mark—but the launch will only be the first of many for the market, as Panasonic and Sony also have plans to collaborate on an OLED television sometime in the future.

Revenue for OLED televisions will rise to $13.9 billion in 2016, up from a meager $500.0 million in 2013, on their way to $17.3 billion in 2017. Meanwhile, shipments are expected to rise to 18.3 million units by 2017, up from just 55,000 units this year.

[shove_it]

A few month ago my 50” Samsung DLP TV developed tiny star-like spots on the screen. After calling the Samsung customer care center, I was impressed that they dispatched a tech to my home who replaced free of charge the DMD chip, a component smaller than a stick of Dentyne gum that projects the image onto the LED screen. I paid $1,200 for that TV on sale over five years ago but now that I see these sale prices on sets far superior to mine, I can see how Samsung can afford to provide such fine customer service.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

Agreed. PQ is still better than LCD. We’ve got two Pannys and love them. The biggest problem is compressed video encoding in many sources...digital artifacts are visible, especially when streaming video rather than Blu Ray. Even some Blu Ray discs exhibit lots of artifacts.

[gonzo]

Thanks, Dave! Happens that we're in the market for a new 60+". Just waiting for the riots when 0zer0 loses ................................................ FRegards

[texas booster]

Texas Instruments supports the 5 year warranty for the DLP chip used in these TV’s and many projectors.

The problem seems to stem from a design flaw that allows water vapor into the chip, creating the white dot effect.

Getting credit from TI takes a bit but they eventually pay up.

Kudos to Samsung for providing on site service on a 5 year old set. It was certainly state of the art back then.

I would not expect such stellar service from lesser brands ...

[MarkeyD]

And you can use them to heat your house!

[Las Vegas Dave]

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[Las Vegas Dave]

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[Las Vegas Dave]

HDTV ping list, (FYI TOP TV REVIEWS).

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HDTV Ping list members note: this will be my Black Friday thread for 2012, I will add BF bargains/news/updates/etc. to this thread.)

[Las Vegas Dave]

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the above is a FR glitch, now not double postings but three??

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks LVD! I floated through the warehouse clubs here last night, and the selection was a little different than just a few days ago. Costco in Kentwood had some huge-assed screen, is there an 80” on the US market? Prices were okay, but as usual each of those warehouse chains had one low-end low-price model (39” Sanyo at Sam’s, 40” at Costco was probably a Westinghouse), and the holiday shopping prices on these only move downward on the really large screens, which aren’t normally stocked (typically they stock some 55” models all year round).

I’m keeing an eye out for a 1080p 32” — right now the warehouses have 1080p that is smaller than that, and 40” and up, but all the 32” are 720p, and at Sam’s some of them have built-in DVD (which I don’t want).

The warehouses here typically have nothing in plasma except 720p; now, perhaps just for the holidays, they’ve loaded up with 1080p plasmas and they’re hundreds cheaper for the size than the LCDs.

[Varda]

I have two plasmas. They only produce a lot of heat if you don’t take them out of super bright mode. At econo mode they get warm but not hot. Plasmas have great picture quality but to get that you must calibrate them or pay someone to do it. Most people just plug in HD sets and walk away. They never see the great picture quality that can be had.

[Varda]

My old CRT just died. My first inclination is to get a LED projector but at these prices maybe I’ll get a flat panel instead. Thank for posting.

[Just mythoughts]

Thank you for the ping. I really appreciate you taking the time to provide this information.

[skinkinthegrass]

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[Las Vegas Dave]

You may not be able to see the difference on a 32in 1080p screen depending on the distance between you and the TV screen.. I suggest the largest screen that will fit in your home, and cost consideration!

THIS MAY HELP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimum_HDTV_viewing_distance

One web site says 1080P is only really going to be worth it in the 40-42 inch and larger screen.

(NOTE: formulas can differ, below is one I selected as a FYI.)
http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter/

Enter screen size: 32 inches diagonal

•For 480p (720×480) resolution, you must sit: 9 feet or closer for full benefit

•For 720p (1280×720) resolution, you must sit: 6 feet or closer for full benefit

•For 1080p (1920×1080) resolution, you must sit: 4 feet or closer for full benefit

[Varda]

That screen size thing has to do with people with a certain kind of bad eyesight.. I’ m far sighted. 1080p details jump out at me on any size screen.

[Las Vegas Dave]

http://www.tvpredictions.com/10tips111912.htm

Black Friday: 10 Tips to Landing a Great Deal
By Swanni

Washington, D.C. (November 19, 2012) — Kmart is selling a ProScan 32-inch LCD HDTV for $97. Amazon is selling a Vizio 60-inch Smart TV for $688. Best Buy is selling a Smart TV Blu-ray player for $39.

These are just some of the incredible deals that retailers will offer on High-Definition TVs and related high-def products on Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving (Nov. 23).

However, this could be the most competitive Black Friday ever — thanks to the economy and smaller inventories at retail stores. It’s quite possible that some of the discount prices will be available for one day only — and may include restrictions on time and supply.

And with the economy in question, surveys indicate that bargain hunters will likely turn out in even greater numbers on the big day.

So, how can you make sure that you don’t get shut out?

Based on information from Consumer World and other sources, TVPredictions.com has compiled a list of 10 rules for landing that great deal on Black Friday, the traditional start of the holiday shopping season.

And here they are:

1. Read the Ads — In Print & Online
Consumer World suggests that you carefully review your local newspapers on Thanksgiving Day. Usually, they will be stuffed with Black Friday ads and coupons. Bring them with you on the big day. Plus, many retailers are offering special Black Friday deals at their web sites. Don’t forget to check them out 24-48 hours prior to the big day. (Also see Rule #6)

2. Evaluate the Deals
Don’t assume every “deal” is a deal. Compare the “Black Friday” special price with the HDTV’s normal price before buying. You can do that at various e-commerce web sites such as Amazon.com and BestBuy.com. You may even find a lower price online.

3. Buy a Good Product
A low price doesn’t guarantee a high-quality television. Do some research and read product reviews at sites such as CNET.com. If you’re not familiar with the product’s brand name, check out its customer service record with organizations such as the Better Business Bureau.

4. Look For More Discounts
Some stores issue coupons or rebates on high-def sets and other products such as High-Definition Blu-ray players. Find out if the discounts apply to the Black Friday specials.

5. Come Early
Some stores will offer special prices if you come in at a specific time, such as between 5 a.m. and 11 a.m. Check out those Thanksgiving ads for “time restricted” specials. Also, this year, some stores are holding pre-Black Friday sales on Thanksgiving.

6. Beat the Early Birds
Some Black Friday deals at retail may be available at the store’s web site. Check out the site in the wee hours of Friday morning and you might save yourself a trip to the store.

7. Check the Return Policy
Before buying, find out the store’s return policy. Consumer World says some stores discourage returns by imposing restocking fees or placing frequent “returners” on blacklists.

8. Get a Gift Receipt
You can make a return easier for gift recipients by asking the store to place a receipt in a gift box. Without it, the store may not accept it.

9. Use the Right Credit Card
Some credit cards offer free benefits such as a return protection guarantee or purchase points that can be redeemed for other products. When you’re buying a big-ticket item like a HDTV, that could pay off.

10. Save More With Price Guarantees
After buying the high-def set, keep your eye on the TV’s price at other stores in the next month. Some stores will give you the difference between your price and a competitor’s price during the holiday season.

[SunkenCiv]

720p TVs in larger sizes seem to be getting blow-out-the-doors prices right now, and have been going into the shopping season, probably I good time to buy them, they could very well not be back, give or take an Obama Recession in dish and cable hookups.

[raybbr]

could you ask the mods to pull two of your duplicate posts? On a phone it takes days to scroll through.

Thanks for you post, btw. The are helpful.

[Just mythoughts]

bttt

[Lee'sGhost]

Plasma’s have glass cover and reflect lights in the room like crazy. VERY distracting. That’s why I go LCD.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

The 720P products are obsolute in the sense that for bigger sizes they are worse to view movies,...etc.

So the buying public is choosing the higher density

So they are clearing the warehouses.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

This might be useful:

1080p. vs 720p. is there a difference? - Yahoo! Answers

*************************************EXCERPT**********************************

Outright is there a big difference yes. 1080p opens doors to things like native 24p playback (over HDMI) and well its just a larger resolution. So in theory it is definitely better.

But, TV size matters. Almost all consumer reports will tell you that you don't need 1080p unless you're looking at 37" (maybe), and moreso 40" and 50". You just don't see the advantages of 1080p on smaller TV sets is the argument. At 37" I might be inclined to lean towards 1080p still, but I'm not sure at 32" if I'd worry about it.

If your budget is okay with the 1080p TV, then no harm getting it. It will certainly not hurt your image at all. But if you'd benefit a lot from the savings, then I think you'll get an equally quality HD performance from a 32" 720p set.

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