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Revisiting History: Did JFK Lose the Popular Vote?
RCP ^ | 10/19/2012 | Sean Trende

Posted on 10/19/2012 12:02:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 10/19/2012 12:02:23 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Revisiting History: Did JFK Lose the Popular Vote?

I believe about 100,000 dead people came to his aid and pushed him over the top. Don't forget: he was a democrat!

2 posted on 10/19/2012 12:06:27 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping, gay commie bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Flawed assumption. We have 2 to 3 daily polls on the popular vote being done daily. State polls are far less frequent and more difficult to do. The electoral maps are based on the most current state by state data. The state by state data can lag by weeks.

The daily polls are indicating that the electoral vote map is about to change toward Romney.


3 posted on 10/19/2012 12:08:42 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t harsh my mellow, dude.


4 posted on 10/19/2012 12:09:34 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d get my dog to vote for Romney, but he doesn’t have a driver’s license, and Georgia requires voter ID. Maybe I’ll take him to another state, where some lib judge has struck down voter ID, and let him vote. He certainly has more right than an illegal alien!


5 posted on 10/19/2012 12:10:32 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping, gay commie bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Lots of wishfull thinking type articles written by dems today. Obama is going to loose in a landslide - I told my husband last night that I think Romney wil get 365 electoral college votes and I am sticking with it!!!


6 posted on 10/19/2012 12:13:37 PM PDT by MissH
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To: The Sons of Liberty

RE: I believe about 100,000 dead people came to his aid and pushed him over the top.

Nixon losing might have been a blessing in disguise for him.
He might have been Lee Harvey Oswald’s target in Dallas instead of JFK...


7 posted on 10/19/2012 12:14:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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“Don’t buy a single vote more than necessary. I’ll be damned if I’m going to pay for a landslide. “ Joseph Kennedy


8 posted on 10/19/2012 12:17:23 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I don't understand why people find a popular/electoral split disturbing.

In the 1997 World Series, Cleveland won games two, four, and six by 5, 7, and 3 points respectively. Florida won games one, three, five, and seven by 3, 3, 1, and 1 points respectively. Florida appropriately won the Series because they won more games than Cleveland, even though Cleveland outscored Florida by 44 to 37 overall. Games and elections have rules, and no sensible person would argue with an outcome that follows the rules.

Unfortunately, liberals are neither sensible nor decent; they want the rules rewritten after the fact. I expect them to riot if they win the popular vote but lose the election (they'll riot over any type of loss, but the popular vote excuse will be like the trashy movie in Libya, their justification for the violence that thugs initiate simply because they are thugs). Conversely, if they lose the popular vote but win the election, the split outcome will not concern them at all - hypocrites. Personally, I find the popular vote an interesting footnote to history, but I do not want that statistic considered at all in deciding the election.

9 posted on 10/19/2012 12:17:23 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: The Sons of Liberty; SeekAndFind

John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Electoral Votes: 303
Pop. Vote: 34,227,096 (49.7%)

Richard M. Nixon
Electoral Votes: 219
Pop. Vote: 34,107,646 (49.5%)

Harry F. Byrd
Electoral Votes: PR: 15; VP: 14 / 1
Pop. Vote: 116,248 (0.2%)

Kennedy won Illinois by less than 9,000 votes out of 4.75 million cast, or a margin of 0.2%. However, Nixon carried 92 of the state’s 101 counties, and Kennedy’s victory in Illinois came from the city of Chicago, where Mayor Richard Daley held back much of Chicago’s vote until the late morning hours of November 9.

The efforts of Daley and the powerful Chicago Democratic organization gave Kennedy an extraordinary Cook County victory margin of 450,000 votes—more than 10% of Chicago’s 1960 population of 3.55 million, although Cook County also included many suburbs outside of Chicago’s borders—thus barely overcoming the heavy Republican vote in the rest of Illinois.


10 posted on 10/19/2012 12:22:20 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I have a small condo in Florida.
If I were not an honest man, I’d be registered in both Florida AND Georgia. And my wife, too.


11 posted on 10/19/2012 12:22:48 PM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

That’s around the number I saw as well. Just before the 1980 election there was a documentary I saw that had two former democrat workers from Texas relating how they helped stuff at least a couple hundred thousand votes in Texas alone, working for the Johnson machine. They also knew that at least 100K votes were stuffed in Cook County IL, which was acknowledged by my late FIL who was a Teamsters member in IL at the time. The two Texas guys marveled at the fact that they didn’t have time to do it right so they forged the ballot rolls in alphabetical order; they laughed and asked “who votes in alphabetical order?”. Who indeed, besides the dead, illegals, cartoon characters, pets, and fictitious democrat party voters. Nixon won in 1960 but it was known that he refused to contest the election rather than plunge the nation into a Consitutional crisis. The JFK/Camelot myth was born of a stolen election.


12 posted on 10/19/2012 12:25:35 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: SeekAndFind
Revisiting History: Did JFK Lose the Popular Vote?

Legally, YES, but thanks to Chicago's criminal underworld kingpin, Sam MoMo Giancana, in concert with JFK's criminal father, and all of the illegal Mexican voters, in south Texas, AKA LBJ voters, the final results included over 100,000 dead voters he was declared the Winner.. This is hardly news, maybe to this generation, but it was laughed at when it happened.. Really funny isn't it? UGH!

13 posted on 10/19/2012 12:27:39 PM PDT by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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Didn’t Daley hold off announcing the vote count until the rest of the country came he? He wanted to see how many votes JFK needed


14 posted on 10/19/2012 12:31:06 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: The Sons of Liberty

His daddy bought him that election.

It was well known at the time, too! Lots of corruption in that administration. It WAS dysfunctional as well.


15 posted on 10/19/2012 12:31:26 PM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: SeekAndFind

Former and now deceased Congressman Tip O’Neill admitted on the Phil Donahue show, well, no, he didn’t ‘admit’ it, he was actully bragging that the Kennedy vote was bought by Joe Kennedy aided by the Chicago political machine.


16 posted on 10/19/2012 12:33:07 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: Little Ray

Just take care of Florida for us! I really be shocked if Georgia is not the first state called after the polls close; and it WON’T be for 0bammy!


17 posted on 10/19/2012 12:36:18 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping, gay commie bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Unfortunately, I’m registered in Georgia.


18 posted on 10/19/2012 12:41:28 PM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: morphing libertarian

I lived in Mayor Daley’s WARD, in Chicago when this happened.. His Ward office was a block from my home and we kids, watched the backroom fill out new ballots, and destroy the ballots brought to the backdoor before burning them in 55gal drums in the alley..

Daley waited until he got a call from someone to start stuffing the ballot boxes and then announced the results.. I would swear to it on a witness stand and tried to tell the press and DA at the time, all to no avail..

I kept a copy of the complaint I tried to file at the time and have it still.. I never received a phone call, even after being told to STFU..


19 posted on 10/19/2012 12:41:43 PM PDT by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: Pollster1
In the 1997 World Series, Cleveland won games two, four, and six by 5, 7, and 3 points respectively.

Good analogy, but baseball is scored in runs, not points.
20 posted on 10/19/2012 12:44:04 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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