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Articles of Impeachment: If Not Now, When?
October 24, 2012 | Doc Savage

Posted on 10/24/2012 2:35:29 PM PDT by Doc Savage

If George W. Bush had gone back to sleep after having been notified that four Americans had been killed in an attack on a U.S. Embassy; created a fraudulent excuse of an obscure video as the culprit; and then flown off to a fund raiser in Las Vegas (of all places),... we would have had the leftist politicians and media in this country demanding his impeachment or his head on a pike at the gates of the city!

It is clear to me and should be to any other sane American who loves their country that this man has violated his oath of office as both President and Commander-in-Chief. I personally believe his offenses are criminal and rise to the level of impeachment.

I realize no one on our side will even dare whisper the word with less than two weeks before the election, but something has to be done to stop this madman. If he somehow manages to win or steal his re-election we have to be prepared to file charges. To allow him to remain in office one more day without attempting to remove him makes us complicit. Someone in the House of Representatives has to have the courage to submit Articles of Impeachment against him.


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KEYWORDS: benghazi; constitution; obama

1 posted on 10/24/2012 2:35:35 PM PDT by Doc Savage
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To: Doc Savage

It would just help get Obama reelected.


2 posted on 10/24/2012 2:41:06 PM PDT by ThomasThomas
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To: Doc Savage

No democrat is ever gonna be seriously impeached.

Never gonna happen.


3 posted on 10/24/2012 2:42:33 PM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: Doc Savage
Articles of Impeachment: If Not Now, When?

How about when Congress is in session?

4 posted on 10/24/2012 2:43:16 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: ThomasThomas

It’s Congresses job.


5 posted on 10/24/2012 2:43:20 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Doc Savage

You can bring a bill of impeachment and might be able to get it through the House but with the current democrat senate it is a dead horse that nobody will take the time to beat on.

Should the kenyan be impeached and in prison, better yet Guantanamo; yes, absolutely. Will it happen in this short time period and with a democrat controlled senate? No, democrats will never go after the criminal acts of one of their own.

FUBO & FAD


6 posted on 10/24/2012 2:46:03 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Doc Savage

If he wasn’t impeached (and removed from office, tried for treason and hanged) for his crack to Medvedev about “I’ll have more flexibility after the election”, he will never be.


7 posted on 10/24/2012 2:46:04 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Doc Savage

I agree.

The right to impeach public officials is secured by the U.S. Constitution in Article I, Sections 2 and 3, which discuss the procedure, and in Article II, Section 4, which indicates the grounds for impeachment: “the President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”

Removing an official from office requires two steps: (1) a formal accusation, or impeachment, by the House of Representatives, and (2) a trial and conviction by the Senate. Impeachment requires a majority vote of the House; conviction is more difficult, requiring a two-thirds vote by the Senate. The vice president presides over the Senate proceedings in the case of all officials except the president, whose trial is presided over by the chief justice of the Supreme Court. This is because the vice president can hardly be considered a disinterested party—if his or her boss is forced out of office he or she is next in line for the top job!
What Are “High Crimes and Misdemeanors?”

Bribery, perjury, and treason are among the least ambiguous reasons meriting impeachment, but the ocean of wrongdoing encompassed by the Constitution’s stipulation of “high crimes and misdemeanors” is vast. Abuse of power and serious misconduct in office fit this category, but one act that is definitely not grounds for impeachment is partisan discord. Several impeachment cases have confused political animosity with genuine crimes. Since Congress, the vortex of partisanship, is responsible for indicting, trying, and convicting public officials, it is necessary for the legislative branch to temporarily cast aside its factional nature and adopt a judicial role.
The Infamous Sixteen

Since 1797 the House of Representatives has impeached sixteen federal officials. These include two presidents, a cabinet member, a senator, a justice of the Supreme Court, and eleven federal judges. Of those, the Senate has convicted and removed seven, all of them judges. Not included in this list are the office holders who have resigned rather than face impeachment, most notably, President Richard M. Nixon.
The Small Fry

The first official impeached in this country was Senator William Blount of Tennessee for a plot to help the British seize Louisiana and Florida from Spain in 1797. The Senate dismissed the charges on Jan. 14, 1799, determining that it had no jurisdiction over its own members. The Senate and the House do, however, have the right to discipline their members, and the Senate expelled Blount the day after his impeachment.

Judge John Pickering of New Hampshire was the first impeached official actually convicted. He was found guilty of drunkenness and unlawful rulings, on March 12, 1804, and was believed to have been insane.

Associate Justice Samuel Chase, a strong Federalist, was impeached but acquitted of judicial bias against anti-Federalists. The acquittal on March 1, 1805, established that political differences were not grounds for impeachment.

Other officials impeached were implicated in bribery, cheating on income tax, perjury, and treason.
The Big Fish

Two U.S. presidents have been impeached: Andrew Johnson, the seventeenth chief executive, and William J. Clinton, the forty-second.

Johnson, a Southern Democrat who became president after Lincoln’s assassination, supported a mild policy of Reconstruction after the Civil War. The Radical Republicans in Congress were furious at his leniency toward ex-Confederates and obvious lack of concern for ex-slaves, demonstrated by his veto of civil rights bills and opposition to the Fourteenth Amendment. To protect Radical Republicans in Johnson’s administration and diminish the strength of the president, Congress passed the Tenure of Office Act in 1867, which prohibited the president from dismissing office holders without the Senate’s approval. A defiant Johnson tested the constitutionality of the Act by attempting to oust Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton. His violation of the Act became the basis for impeachment in 1868. But the Senate was one vote short of the two-thirds majority needed to convict, and Johnson was acquitted May 26, 1868.

Senator Charles Sumner, witness to the proceedings, defined them as “political in character.” Historians today generally agree with his assessment and consider the grounds for Johnson’s impeachment flimsy—the Tenure of Office Act was partially repealed in 1887,and then declared unconstitutional in 1926.

Bill Clinton was ultimately dragged down—though not defeated—by the character issues brought into question even before his election. An investigation into some suspect real estate dealings in which Clinton was involved prior to his presidency failed to turn up any implicating evidence. However, Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr managed to unravel a tangled web of alleged sexual advances and affairs in Clinton’s past. The trail led to former White House intern Monica S. Lewinsky. After months of denials, including in a videotaped legal testimony, Clinton admitted in August of 1998 that he had had a sexual relationship with the young woman during the time of her internship.

The infamous “Starr Report” outlining the findings of the Independent Counsel’s investigation was delivered to the House of Representatives on Sept. 9, 1998, and subsequently made available to the public. Many felt the report, filled with lurid details of Clinton’s sexual encounters with Lewinsky, to be a political attack against the President rather than a legal justification for his impeachment. Of the 11 possible grounds for impeachment cited by Starr, four were eventually approved by the House Judiciary Committee: grand jury perjury, civil suit perjury, obstruction of justice, and abuse of power.

On December 19, following much debate over the constitutionality of the proceedings and whether or not Clinton could be punished by censure rather than impeachment, the House of Representatives held its historic vote. Clinton was impeached on two counts, grand jury perjury (228–206) and obstruction of justice (221–212), with the votes split along party lines. The Senate Republicans, however, were unable to gather enough support to achieve the two-thirds majority required for his conviction. On Feb. 12, 1999, the Senate acquitted President Clinton on both counts. The perjury charge failed by a vote of 55–45, with 10 Republicans voting against impeachment along with all 45 Democrats. The obstruction of justice vote was 50–50, with 5 Republicans breaking ranks to vote against impeachment.
The One That Got Away

Of thirty-five attempts at impeachment, only nine have come to trial. Because it cripples Congress with a lengthy trial, impeachment is infrequent. Many officials, seeing the writing on the wall, resign rather than face the ignominy of a public trial.

The most famous of these cases is of course that of President Richard Nixon, a Republican. After five men hired by Nixon’s reelection committee were caught burglarizing Democratic party headquarters at the Watergate Complex on June 17, 1972, President Nixon’s subsequent behavior—his cover-up of the burglary and refusal to turn over evidence—led the House Judiciary Committee to issue three articles of impeachment on July 30, 1974. The document also indicted Nixon for illegal wiretapping, misuse of the CIA, perjury, bribery, obstruction of justice, and other abuses of executive power. “In all of this,” the Articles of Impeachment summarize, “Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as president and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice, and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.” Impeachment appeared inevitable, and Nixon resigned on Aug. 9, 1974. The Articles of Impeachment, which can be viewed at http://watergate.info/, leave no doubt that these charges qualify as “high crimes and misdemeanors,” justifying impeachment.

Read more: Impeachment History — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/impeach.html#ixzz2AFt4NSUO


8 posted on 10/24/2012 2:46:15 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Doc Savage

2 weeks before he’s voted out of office is not when. Plus we have senate full of liberals who just want to get along with the democrats.


9 posted on 10/24/2012 2:46:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Doc Savage

Emails say that it was a terrorist group that claimed responsibility within 2 hours of event. But the Emails say nothing of a video. Biden said that Intellegence told them wrong. Biden also said that nobody notified them that Consulate needed additional security. Hillary said it was because of an awful video and went around and apologized because of the video. Obama blamed video for 2 weeks on Letterman and on the View and at U.N. 6 times. Ambassador said video on 5 talk shows. If they didn’t know and were waiting, then why tell everyone in the world it was because of a video and then apologize for the video? If you are awaiting more info you don’t make up a story that is totally untrue and go out and tell the world. I thought Obama’s comments in the Candy Crowley debate were interesting. He tried to make the case there that he called it terrorist attack in the rose Garden. Why would he do that if he didn’t know and communication was muddled in the fog of war? The Operator at the consulate, the tape of the attack and the timeline are the keys to this.


10 posted on 10/24/2012 2:51:49 PM PDT by DOGHEAD
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Wait till he is out of office. Then try and convict them and punishment.

I can tell you all what kind of punishment, but I will let that up to anyone who wishes to say.


11 posted on 10/24/2012 2:53:23 PM PDT by crz
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To: Doc Savage

Remember he screwed up his Oath day 1

TT


12 posted on 10/24/2012 2:55:44 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: crz

“Wait till he is out of office. Then try and convict them and punishment.”

Agreed. The whole point of impeachment is to get someone out of office. If that happens in two more weeks it’s a moot point.

If not (god forbid) then unleash the dogs of war and open the gates of hell...oh wait, that would require a lot of republican congress/senate folks to grow a spine.

Never mind.


13 posted on 10/24/2012 3:02:07 PM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: Rebelbase

At this point I trust the criminal courts more than I do the criminal congress.


14 posted on 10/24/2012 3:04:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: crz

It is a WAR, Try them for treason, then Firing Squad.


15 posted on 10/24/2012 3:24:59 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: cripplecreek

I think this is much bigger than a coverup of a storming of the US embassy. It starting to look like weapons went to Qaddaffi and they disappeared. A large sum of money, which was kept in the embassy, was sent to “buy” the weapons back. No security was assigned so as not to alert anyone. The embassy was attacked by Al Qaedas who knew of the money and the weapons.

In addition, a drone was already in the area and relayed all this info back in real time. You can’t “scramble” a drone. The POTUS and his minions simply let the thing go down. If they had responded appropriately, the whole operation would have been blown. They would NEVER go to these lengths to cover a security breech.


16 posted on 10/24/2012 3:25:44 PM PDT by cumbo78
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To: DuncanWaring

Obama will be impeached by the court of public opinion. Once he’s out of power—many will turn on him. The Dems will see him as the reason for their defeat and hang him out to dry. As the truth comes out he will be the most hated man in America (Hillary will make sure of it—Clintons have a long memory you know—might end with a one way trip to a park).


17 posted on 10/24/2012 3:26:59 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: longfellow

Works for me..


18 posted on 10/24/2012 3:27:26 PM PDT by crz
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To: Doc Savage

Funny thing, I do not think Obama (aka Present), thinks that he is required to “Actually” perform any duties associated with the Office of the President of The United States.
How many hours since January 20th, 2009 has Obama actually spent in the Oval Office? How many hours has he spent campaigning & fund raising? Golfing? Vacationing? Party’s?
We the People pay his salary, he has not performed his duties and needs to be FIRED!


19 posted on 10/24/2012 3:31:47 PM PDT by Fully Awake DAV (Navy Vet when homosexuality was not tolerated)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
As the truth comes out he will be the most hated man in America (Hillary will make sure of it—Clintons have a long memory you know—might end with a one way trip to a park).

Do tell!

20 posted on 10/24/2012 3:32:19 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Doc Savage

He won’t be impeached, nor will charges be brought after the election. I do not believe he, Hillary, Holder, or any of the others complicit in the Libya coverup, F&F, illegal amnesty or anything else will be legally held accountable. I believe after the election, the drumbeat will become “they’re out of office, this is just a partisan witch hunt”. The Left and the their PR department (the media) will go into overdrive and “our” leaders will eventually just stop talking about it.


21 posted on 10/24/2012 3:33:13 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Doc Savage

If my understanding is correct, articles of impeachment prevent a sitting president from issuing a self-pardon. I say draw them up on Nov 7th no matter who won the White House.


22 posted on 10/24/2012 3:35:40 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot ("A wise man's heart inclines him toward the right, but a fool's heart toward the left."--Eccl 10:2)
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To: Doc Savage

They were outraged AND still to this day complain that GWB continued to read a book to schoolchildren for eight minutes after he had been advised of the planes hitting the WTC. They were incensed that AF1 did not immediately return to DC. I think it was Peter Jennings, who kept asking, where is the president, insinuating Bush was a coward. How many months did we hear about AbuG, some panties on a muslims head that happened under “Bush’s watch?”This country will only begin to heal when our society is purged of radical leftist journalists, who believe their liberal agenda is a better and higher calling than reporting facts.


23 posted on 10/24/2012 3:41:12 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: workerbee

I fear that you are right but pray that you are not. If these traitors go unpunished and many left in places of influence, we will continue to be undermined. They must be thoroughly cleaned out of all branches of gov. and punished for their traitorous behavior.


24 posted on 10/24/2012 3:44:56 PM PDT by Josephat
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