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AMERICANS REPEL 3 JAPANESE THRUSTS, BOMB ENEMY’S GUNS ON GUADALCANAL (10/30/42)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 10/30/42 | Charles Hurd, Sgt. Richard T. Wright, F. Tillman Durdin, David Anderson, A.C. Sedgwick, Ray Brock

Posted on 10/30/2012 5:29:09 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: milhist; realtime; worldwarii
Free Republic University, Department of History presents World War II Plus 70 Years: Seminar and Discussion Forum
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1 posted on 10/30/2012 5:29:19 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Selections from West Point Atlas for the Second World War
Papua, New Guinea, 1942
Allied Advance Across Owen Stanley Mountains, 26 Sept.-15 Nov. 1942
Allied Reinforcement by Air and Advance to Buna, 14 Oct.-15 Nov. 1942
The Solomons: Guadalcanal and Florida, 1942
Southwest Russia, 1942: German Advance to Stalingrad, Operations, 24 July-18 November 1942
The Far East and the Pacific, 1941: Status of Forces and Allied Theater Boundaries, 2 July 1942
India-Burma, 1942: Allied Lines of Communication, 1942-1943
2 posted on 10/30/2012 5:29:55 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; 2banana; henkster; meandog; ...
U.S. Lines Pierced (Hurd) – 2
Japanese Flying Truce Flag Kill 28 of 30 Marines Who Honor It (Wright) – 3
Scouts in 6 Weeks Fly 500,000 Miles (Durdin) – 3-4
U.S. Bombers Rake Airport at Lashio – 4
War News Summarized – 4
On Guadalcanal as the United States Marines Continue Their Stand Against the Japanese (photos) – 5-6
Fortresses Pound Foe’s Ships at Buin – 7
Eisenhower Recalled for Parleys, Say Report Reviving Invasion Talk * – 7
Russian Line Firm – 8
Allies Strike Heavy Blows From Air in African Battle (Anderson) – 9
Four Allied Arms Join in Egypt Push (Sedgwick) – 10-11
British Infantry On the March as Axis Tank Halts (photos) – 10
Hitler Said to Aim for Mid-East’s Oil (Brock) – 11
Roosevelt Tells of Faith in Turkey – 12
Naval Superiority is Goal in Solomons (by Hanson W. Baldwin) – 13
The Texts of the Day’s Communiques on Fighting in Various Zones – 14-15
The Spirit of the Marines on Guadalcanal (photo) – 15

* It is uncharacteristically irresponsible of the Times to report the whereabouts of a senior U.S. commander. Roosevelt takes the publishers to task in tomorrow’s edition.

3 posted on 10/30/2012 5:31:40 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

http://www.onwar.com/chrono/1942/oct42/f30oct42.htm

Australians approaching Kokoda
Friday, October 30, 1942 www.onwar.com

In New Guinea... The Australian advance reaches Alola, about 10 miles south of Kokoda. One of the brigades is sent directly toward Kokoda, while the second is sent on a more easterly route.

In North Africa... Battle of El Alamein. The Australian 9th Division continues to battle the German 90th Light Division north and east of Tell el Eisa.


4 posted on 10/30/2012 5:36:11 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.etherington/frame.htm

October 30th, 1942

UNITED KINGDOM: USAAF 336th Fighter Squadron transfers to Debden, Essex. (Jack McKillop)

Destroyers HMS Obedient, Racehorse and Wensleydale commissioned.

Destroyer HNLMS Tjerk Hiddes commissioned. (Dave Shirlaw)

GERMANY: U-991, U-992 laid down. (Dave Shirlaw)

EGYPT: Alexandria: The Bletchley Park codebreakers who have been unable to read the U-boat Enigma cipher for almost a year must thank the self-sacrifice of two men who died today retrieving an Enigma machine and its key settings from a sinking submarine. Lt. Tony Fasson and Able Seaman Colin Grazier boarded U-559 (Type VIIC) as she was being scuttled after an attack by destroyers HMS Pakenham, HMS Petard and HMS Hero, 70 miles off Egypt at position 32.30N, 33.00E. They passed their prize to safety, but were unable to escape before the U-boat sank, taking them with her. In total there were seven dead and 38 survivors.

Lt. Francis Anthony Blair Fasson (b.1913) and A/S Colin Grazier (b.1920), both of HMS PETARD, boarded a crippled U-boat and, aware of the danger, recovered valuable documents and instruments until the vessel suddenly sank, taking them both. (George Crosses)

NEW GUINEA: The Australian advance up the Kokoda Track reaches Alola, New Guinea. This is 10 miles from Kokoda. One Brigade will proceed directly up the track, the other will advance more easterly to Oivi.

PACIFIC OCEAN: US cruisers and destroyers shell Japanese positions on Santa Cruz Island.

The Japanese fleet is reported to have withdrawn from the Solomons.

CANADA: Corvettes HMCS Regina, Moose Jaw and Algoma departed St John’s as UK convoy escort and eventual Operation Torch Duty. (Dave Shirlaw)

U.S.A.: Submarine USS Flier laid down.

Destroyer USS Cony commissioned.

Submarine USS Hake commissioned. (Dave Shirlaw)

ATLANTIC OCEAN: U-520 (Type IXC) is sunk east of Newfoundland, at position 47.47N, 49.50W, by depth charges from a Canadian Digby aircraft (RCAF Sqdn 10/742). 53 dead (all crew lost).

U-658 (Type VIIC) is sunk east of Newfoundland, at position 50.32N, 46.32W, by depth charges from a Canadian Hudson aircraft (RCAF Sqdn. 145/Y). 48 dead (all crew lost). (Alex Gordon)

U-659 sank SS Bullmouth and damaged SS Tasmania and Corinaldo in Convoy SL-125.

U-129 sank SS West Kabar.

U-203 sank SS Corinaldo in Convoy SL-125.

U-409 dank SS Silverwillow and damaged SS Bullmouth in Convoy SL-125

U-509 sank SS Brittany in Convoy SL-125

U-604 sank SS Baron Vernon and President Doumer in Convoy SL-125.

Destroyer HMCS Columbia attacked by U-522 Kptlt Schneider, CO. Torpedo missed. (Dave Shirlaw)


5 posted on 10/30/2012 5:37:03 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

October 29, 1942:


"A German propaganda poster exhorts French workers to go to Germany.
The appeal states:


The message refers to the agreement between the Vichy government and Germany whereby a French POW would be released for every French laborer who volunteered to work in Germany."


"These Jewish women and children, carefully guarded by Germans, board a train bound for the Treblinka death camp.
They were among the 10,000 Jews from Miedzyrzec Podlaski deported to Treblinka during October 1942, a month that was among the bloodiest in the camp's history.
Many of Miedzyrzec Podlaski's Jews died on the horrific train ride to Treblinka, rather than in the camp's gas chambers."


"Rescued from Occupied France by Varian Fry, painter Marc Chagall, pictured here with his daughter, Ida, was among those modern artists whose work was condemned by the Nazis.
When the Nazis gained power, Chagall's works were removed from museums and some were held up for censure in the enormous exhibit of "degenerate art" that was held in Munich in 1937.
The Nazis considered Chagall's works, as well as those by Picasso and van Gogh, inappropriate for German collections."


October 30 , 1942:


"The Ordnungsdienst (order service) served as the police arm of the Judenrat (Jewish council) in the ghettos.
Responsible for carrying out the orders of the council and of the German authorities, the Ordnungsdienst were loathed and feared by the ghetto population--even though they were Jews.

"Ordnungsdienst personnel faced excruciating moral dilemmas.
Initially charged with maintaining discipline in the ghetto, including guarding workers on labor details outside the ghetto, in time the order service was expected to enforce quarantines during typhus outbreaks and carry out deportations.

"Failure to deliver the mandated number for deportation resulted in harsh repercussions for both the police and ghetto residents.
As one Warsaw Ghetto policeman said as he tore a child from the mother's arms:



6 posted on 10/30/2012 5:49:54 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
"Failure to deliver the mandated number for deportation resulted in harsh repercussions for both the police and ghetto residents

Don't delude ypurself into believing that the police over here [U.S.A.]will resist orders from their superiors to round us up and put us on the trains.

7 posted on 10/30/2012 5:59:19 AM PDT by sport
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To: sport
sport: "Don't delude ypurself into believing that the police over here [U.S.A.]will resist orders from their superiors to round us up and put us on the trains."

That's very hard to even imagine...

First, my understanding is: every government official, at any level of authority, is required by law to disobey illegal orders.
That did not stop the rounding up of Japanese-Americans during WWII, on orders from President Roosevelt, but since then many rules have been modified to prevent such mass incarcerations, absent due process of law.

Second, I'd be curious to know just who you might mean by "us", kemo sabe.
Law abiding defenders of our Free Republic?
Champions of liberty?
Veterans and descendants of our Founding generation, Uniting generation and Greatest generation?
Loyal allies and supporters of Israel, plus many others threatened around the world?

Very hard to imagine mass incarcerations of such groups, which are today considered the "backbone" of America.

Of course, open rebellion, insurrection and "domestic violence" are opposed in the US Constitution, so anyone suggesting such things might expect a tough time of it.
In that case, justice would be administered lawfully, constitutionally, and there would be no need for government to threaten families of law enforcement officials assigned the task.

The one group which might plausibly come to mind -- illegal aliens -- for lawful mass incarcerations and transportation back to their countries of origin, seem unlikely to experience anything resembling such actions, since today even our more conservative candidates are afraid to use mild terms like "self deportation" in public.

So I can't imagine it.
Doesn't mean it won't happen some day, but that would be a vastly different world than the one I've lived in and helped to defend, lawfully.

8 posted on 10/30/2012 7:27:08 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
Second, I'd be curious to know just who you might mean by "us", kemo sabe.People such as myself if I am still living when that time comes. People such as others on this forum. I had implied that you would be, but, I will retract that. Conservatives,legal gun owners, freedom lovers, people who do not worship Government officials.This constitutes a partial list that the directive will go out to round up. The actions of the round upees is another question. It will be answered one way or the other at that time. Again, I apologize for implying that you were one of "us". The Aassume bug bit me hard.
9 posted on 10/30/2012 7:46:25 AM PDT by sport
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

HIggens to build Giant Transport Plane


The Uboat fear is what drove the idea for these giant transports. To bad this didn’t get built instead of the spruce goose.

http://retromechanix.com/article/transports/higgins-bellanca-cargo-model-39-60-1944/

Nothing ultimately became of the giant Higgins-Bellanca Model 36-90, likely because the requirement for it diminished when the German U-boat campaign was effectively neutralized in the Battle of the Atlantic. The Air Force may have also been skeptical that Higgins Industries, known primarily as a producer of the LCVP amphibious landing craft, was capable of producing such a large and complex aircraft.


10 posted on 10/30/2012 8:56:15 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: BroJoeK
“Don't delude yourself into believing that the police over here [U.S.A.]will resist orders from their superiors to round us up and put us on the trains.”
That's very hard to even imagine...

I don't find it hard to imagine. The standard Nuremberg defense was “I only did what I was told.” This is human nature to trust and follow orders, sorry to say but most people are sheep and that is ok.

What scares me most is young people who don't ask why we are doing this. There are exemptions. But they have been trained to not ask questions and punished if they do. Look at how many accept homosexuality, they will do what they are told.

You and I may be a sheep dog but most are not. Bravado is nice but until our possessions, loved ones and lives are truly threatened, we DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WILL DO.

11 posted on 10/30/2012 9:29:58 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Anyone recognize the gun being carried by Capt Henry J. Adams on p6? It doesn’t look like an M97 trench shotgun.


12 posted on 10/30/2012 9:51:42 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

I looked at the picture a long time. It looks like a smooth bore weapon of some kind.


13 posted on 10/30/2012 9:53:33 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: fso301
Could this be the weapon?


14 posted on 10/30/2012 9:57:55 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

cool.


15 posted on 10/30/2012 10:03:49 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

I wish someone could identify that weapon in the picture, it is driving me crazy.


16 posted on 10/30/2012 10:15:12 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: fso301
This is a posed picture. My guess he is holding a captured nip submachine gun. But I could be wrong.

Japanese WWII Submachine Guns Top: 8mm Type 100 with Folding Stock ... Middle: 8mm Type 100 (1944 model) Bottom: 7.63mm Bergmann 1920 (SIG, Swiss) used by Japan

17 posted on 10/30/2012 10:18:10 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Could this be the weapon?

It is about the right overall length but I don't think so. The forarms are vastly different. It's hard to tell from the photo if the captains gun is a smoothbore or a subgun. As I look at the photo, the captains gun may have a barrel shroud and a vertical magazine but that may be due to light reflection and what looks like it might be a magazine near his left knee is actually something else. I wonder if there is any chance that it's a civilian shotgun that he cut down?


18 posted on 10/30/2012 10:20:12 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

70 years later and it is a mystery.....


19 posted on 10/30/2012 10:23:27 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
70 years later and it is a mystery.....

Reising M-50 may be the match.


The Reising submachine gun was designed by American Eugene Reising and patented in 1940. Production of the new submachine gun commenced in 1941 at Harrington & Richardson (H&R) arms factory. In 1942, US Marine Corps signed first contract for delivery of Reising M50 submachine guns, and several tents of thousands of Reising M50 SMG's were delivered to USMC during the war.

Read more at:

http://world.guns.ru/smg/usa/reising-m50-m55-e.html

20 posted on 10/30/2012 10:54:10 AM PDT by fso301
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To: central_va

Looks like a sawed off shotgun to me.


21 posted on 10/30/2012 10:58:19 AM PDT by Ecliptic (.)
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To: fso301

I think that’s it!


22 posted on 10/30/2012 11:20:05 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BroJoeK; Homer Simpson
Amazing how much we knew about what the Nazis were doing to Jews and other Eastern Europeans and how little we could do about it at this time in the war. We were just launching our baby steps toward North Africa.

I am also struck by the comparison between Stalingrad and Guadalcanal. The numbers were vastly different, but both the Russians and we Americans were gaining by using the advantages of the defense by destroying large numbers of the enemy fighting a desperate offense. They were feeding their best troops into meat-grinders.

23 posted on 10/30/2012 11:29:20 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: sport
sport: "Don't delude ypurself into believing that the police over here [U.S.A.]will resist orders from their superiors to round us up and put us on the trains."

BJK: "I'd be curious to know just who you might mean by "us", kemo sabe.
Law abiding defenders of our Free Republic?
Champions of liberty?"

sport, seeming to disagree: "People such as myself...
People such as others on this forum.
Conservatives,legal gun owners, freedom lovers, people who do not worship Government officials.
...I apologize for implying that you were one of "us"."

However you define "us", and whomsoever you chose to include or exclude from "us", the key words in both of our definitions are "legal" and "law abiding".
Those words mean that so long as the world remains as we have known it, there is no possibility that we conservatives will ever suffer a fate remotely similar to Europe's Jews under Nazism.

Of course, I'm not saying it can never happen, only that it won't happen, so long as people like us are alive to prevent it.
And I'm sure there are many more of us than some might suppose.

24 posted on 10/31/2012 8:18:36 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: PeterPrinciple
PeterPrinciple: "The standard Nuremberg defense was “I only did what I was told.”
This is human nature to trust and follow orders, sorry to say but most people are sheep..."

Much as I distrust "Progressive" liberals, I've seen no evidence of some latent desire on their part to round up all conservatives and ship us off to concentration camps.
Indeed, when you think about it, if they exterminated all conservatives, who would do the real work, and pay all the taxes?

No, a socialist "progressive" looks on us conservatives the same way a farmer looks at his dairy cattle -- as livestock to be controlled, fed and even pampered, just as much as necessary to produce the maximum "milk" (taxes) possible.
To borrow another metaphor, even the dumbest of liberals understands that you don't kill the goose which lays golden eggs.

As for the long-distance future, who knows?
But I'd say it's a little, ahem, "premature" to begin worrying about cattle cars and gas chambers for America's conservatives.

25 posted on 10/31/2012 8:20:39 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
No, a socialist “progressive” looks on us conservatives the same way a farmer looks at his dairy cattle — as livestock to be controlled, fed and even pampered, just as much as necessary to produce the maximum “milk” (taxes) possible.

No they don't! Look at History. THEY DON'T CARE! They will gladly tax the “rich” 100%. They think the rich will stay here.

I have had my local mayor begin a meeting with . “I don't care about you and your problems.................”

Obama is destroying the wealth, not milking it.

Now a republican might think like you propose.

26 posted on 10/31/2012 8:43:26 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: BroJoeK

Evidently I misunderstood your response. I take back my remarks direced to your response and again say I am sorry.


27 posted on 10/31/2012 9:52:39 AM PDT by sport
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To: PeterPrinciple
PeterPrinciple: "Obama is destroying the wealth, not milking it.
Now a republican might think like you propose. "

Hmmmm.... I was actually thinking more along the lines of Dems like Bill Clinton.
Agreed, Obama is a different kind of "progressive"...

Hopefully, all that will soon be nothing more than a bad memory... ;-) !

28 posted on 11/01/2012 2:13:56 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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