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Obama Gives Up, Goes Back to DC to Work On His Exit Package
My Fertile Brain | 30 October 2012 | Myself

Posted on 10/30/2012 11:47:37 AM PDT by Steely Tom

Let me tell you something boys and girls:

Obama has given up. He knows it's over.

He made this decision in Florida when he decided to "come back to Washington to direct the Sandy relief effort."

Poppycock.

He knows he's going down, and he came back to DC to (a) spare himself the anguish of having his narcissistic supply on the campaign trail, and (b) to plot the course of his final 83 das in office.

Part of the latter is this: what kind of deal is he going to be able to make to get himself and his cronies off the hook for any number of bombs he's now got ticking under himself. These include all the ones we know about - Benghazi, F&F, the "green" companies - plus (I'm sure) many others.

How does he get the best deal for himself on these? Who among his inner circle does he include in the deal?

The "deal" includes many elements. Obama still has many cards to play between election night and 20-Jan-2013.

Obviously, he has the pardon pen. A biggie.

He also has all kinds of nasty things he can do with Presidential power. He can, for instance, bargain over what he does with the vast amount of classified information he has direct control over. He can reclassify much of this at his whim, on the basis of an Executive Order.

He can make things Top Secret that are currently Secret. And he can convert anything he wants to Unclassified as well.

He can - and, I'm betting, will - play hardball with this against the Republicans in the House and Senate who are coming after him on all kinds of issues.

Nasty, but one must expect nasty from this guy, who cares not a whit for the United States and never has.

Another thing to consider: Do we really want to "go after him" for everything, even after he's out of office?

Making kidnappers or rapists eligable for the death penalty simply increases the chance that they'll see no upside to letting their victims live once the criminal knows he has no chance for escape.

Same here. Do we benefit more - as a country - by letting Obama and his claque swim away, or do we continue to press for justice after they're gone?


TOPICS: Conspiracy; History
KEYWORDS: campaign; obama; pardons
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1 posted on 10/30/2012 11:47:37 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Steely Tom

I disagree because of the media and outlets like Nate Silver dems are very confident...they don’t fathom losing

If anything you have no choice as president to service yourself and be available for disasters. Its the human nature thing...anything that is percieved to be less gets met with Bush hurricane Katrina comparisons...because of Katrina no government official in charge will ever skimp on disaster relief or appearances...


2 posted on 10/30/2012 11:50:41 AM PDT by chevydude26
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To: Steely Tom

How far reaching is his power to pardon—i.e. can he throw the prison doors to huge crowds of “his people” who have been convicted of rape and murder?


3 posted on 10/30/2012 11:52:49 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: Steely Tom

He’s probably helping Eric Holder man the SUPERSHREDDER 5000 in the basement of the DOJ.. Bzzzzzzt.. Bzzzzzzzzzt.. There goes another one, Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt..


4 posted on 10/30/2012 11:56:19 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: RoosterRedux

Only at the federal level. He cannot pardon people found guilty of rape and murder in the state courts and in state prisons. Those prisoners can only be pardoned by state governors I believe


5 posted on 10/30/2012 11:59:15 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: Maine Mariner

Thx.


6 posted on 10/30/2012 12:01:06 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: Steely Tom

No doubt President Jarrett told him the optics wouldn’t look good and ordered his skinny butt back to DC.


7 posted on 10/30/2012 12:01:41 PM PDT by JPG (Make it happen)
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To: Steely Tom

No. If he loses he will be replaced by Republicans. Republicans just love to ‘let bygones be bygones” and everything will just go silent.More likely he will use the 83 days to make his administration more memorable than you could now believe and give another big boost toward collapse on his way out. He has had no qualms so far about defying Congress and the Constitution and has written new laws and reinterpreted or refused to enforce existing laws. The Lame Duck daperiod should be a real doozy.


8 posted on 10/30/2012 12:02:39 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: chevydude26; RoosterRedux
chevydude:

Of course any number of his flying monkeys are not going to see the obvious. Obama has literally thousands - maybe millions - of bitter-enders who will go over the cliff in droves, staring with tears in their eyes at his picture on a locket as they fall. Means nothing.

Benghazi was the breaking point. Obama knows what he did that evening. He knows what he said, he knows what orders he gave and what he did not authorize.

As John McCain said in his Face The Nation interview on Sunday: What did the President know, when did he know it, and what did he do about it? That's the key to what Obama and his close aides are looking at right now.

Rooster:

I have no idea. I guess it's uncharted legal territory.

He can't pardon murderers and rapists held in state prisons across the country, but he can pardon and release any number of individuals in federal custody at the stroke of a pen. He's supposed to get input from the Justice Department before he does this, but (a) he doesn't have to, and (b) the Justice Department is Eric Holder, so you can guess how much of an impediment that will be.

He's a narcissist, and he will want to keep his narcissistic supply going as long as he can.

9 posted on 10/30/2012 12:05:06 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: chevydude26
Rasmussen's Ohio poll yesterday that put Romney +2% over Obama finally put Romney at over 50% probability of winning the election, according to my model of Rasmussen state polls.

Another poll could swing the other way and cancel the effects, but as of now Romney has crossed the line ans is leading.

-PJ

10 posted on 10/30/2012 12:07:54 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: chevydude26

I disagree because of the media and outlets like Nate Silver dems are very confident...they don’t fathom losing
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Nate Silver is currently including polls from Rand Corp. and Google in his “analysis” of the election. A totally phony, help Obama to win effort.

Obama, on the other hand, is looking at the same data that Romney is seeing. Both campaigns do their own polliing and that polling has to be as accurate as possible. No politics in these polls.

Obama knows he’s losing. The only question is: Does he know he’s lost?


11 posted on 10/30/2012 12:11:47 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Steely Tom
Thx Steely Tom.

BTW, I agree that Benghazi was the breaking point for Obama. He's deeply worried about it--beyond just reelection.

BTW, if the polls point to a win for Romney by Monday, I'm buy champagne for Tuesday night.;-)

12 posted on 10/30/2012 12:11:49 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: RoosterRedux

“How far reaching is his power to pardon—i.e. can he throw the prison doors to huge crowds of “his people” who have been convicted of rape and murder?”

If he loses big time with the electoral vote and EC vote, he will need a Krey super computer to keep track of all the pardons he will issue.

Then he will need another one to keep track of all the Executive Orders issued to harm this country and serve as fiscal time bombs for President Romney.


13 posted on 10/30/2012 12:20:05 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: Steely Tom

I agree it was political, but not because he has lost, and giving up to go home. It is because he is losing, and the campaign events are not making any difference at this point. Flying back ‘looked’ Presidential, and now that he is ‘in command’ his campaign hopes he can use this to change the trajectory of the campaign. Without a significant change, he is going to lose.


14 posted on 10/30/2012 12:21:27 PM PDT by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: Steely Tom

The only thing that really matters is if it is proven he was ineligible. If that is so, all bills signed by him and all treaties signed by him become invalid.

Pretty good payoff if it can be done.


15 posted on 10/30/2012 12:25:00 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Grampa Dave; Travis McGee; ASA Vet; BIGLOOK; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SierraWasp; tubebender; Liz; ...

If Obozo loses big time, after he pardons all of his fellow criminals/traitors he could/might resign .

1. If he resigns, that makes Biden President.

2. Then, Biden will pardon Obozo and his cabinet members of all crimes/misdeeds like Ford pardoned Nixon:

http://search.comcast.net/?cat=web&con=betac&form_submit=1&q=President+Ford+pardons+Nixon&top_SearchSubmit=

This might be the best outcome and one more reason to defeat the traitor with massive %’s next Tuesday.


16 posted on 10/30/2012 12:31:50 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: ilgipper
I agree it was political, but not because he has lost, and giving up to go home. It is because he is losing, and the campaign events are not making any difference at this point. Flying back ‘looked’ Presidential, and now that he is ‘in command’ his campaign hopes he can use this to change the trajectory of the campaign.

Without a significant change, he is going to lose.

He has a glass jaw. He's a mamma's boy with the brittlist of glass jaws.

He made it as far as he did because he surrounded himself with white guilt and black rage from Chicago, one of the most corrupt political cesspools in the country. I also suspect a fair amount of pharmaceutical help was on hand when he needed it as well, but the efficacy of that decreases as one ages. Obama is not so young any more.

He really doesn't care about being President that much. He likes the perks, mainly. The work is way too much for him, both in terms of the difficulty and intractability of the problems he encounters every day, and in terms of the sheer volume of stuff that comes at him. He doesn't know beans about how to organize that kind of task, never has. He sluffs it all off to his staff of sycophants, and goes to his behind-the-scenes controllers for the big stuff.

What about Hillary? Who knows what kind of pressure she's putting on him? Has Hillary given up too? Maybe, maybe not.

Hillary is sure to be unhappy about how the Benghazi aftermath is shaping up. It's clear that Obama is going to hang the whole stink-necklace on her if he can. The military is furious with both of them, as is the intelligence community. These people are not to be trifled with. Obama may not realize that (he may be just too stupid) but Hillary certainly does.

17 posted on 10/30/2012 12:32:05 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steely Tom

No, he just figures he will get a boost in approval by “looking Presodential”. That will do more for him than a few more campaign stops. He just finished a “me, me, me,” press conference taking credit for what others are doing. As someone on FOX said yesterday, the president doesn’t really do much in this kind of disaster except release money, and Obama is an expert at releasing money. As for Benghazi, nobody in the media except FOX is reporting it anyway.


18 posted on 10/30/2012 12:37:07 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: chevydude26
no government official in charge will ever skimp on disaster relief or appearances...

Got that right. These are golden taxpayer-funded campaigning opportunities to show himself in a leadership role. He's going to milk this for all it's worth.

19 posted on 10/30/2012 12:38:31 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Record high turnout is our hope for sending 0bama home. Pray hard!!!)
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To: Hugin
As for Benghazi, nobody in the media except FOX is reporting it anyway.

Benghazi is so big, so gigantic in its implications, that it hasn't begun to even be news.

Benghazi affects the attitude toward duty of every single member of the Armed Forces and the diplomatic corps.

Benghazi affects the attitude and loyalties of every single intelligence source we have, everywhere in the world. People who face horrible deaths every day, and who are trusting the United States government with their lives and those of their families.

Benghazi is a turning point.

Do you think Benghazi is the end? Do you think Al Qaeda is going to stop now? No way.

There are going to be more Benghazis in more countries. Probably soon, maybe before election day. Obama is not going to be able to run and hide again. The Democrat Party brand is in jeopardy, or should be.

20 posted on 10/30/2012 12:45:49 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steely Tom

I go back and forth about this. Sometimes I think that he is not interested in winning. At other times I think that he just has no idea how to work hard at something.

Which ever the case, I have had the feeling for a while now that he is just phoning it in.


21 posted on 10/30/2012 12:51:46 PM PDT by rbbeachkid (Get out of its way and small business can fix the economy.)
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To: chevydude26

Errr... Obama spent over 50 days doing nothing about the BP oil spill.


22 posted on 10/30/2012 12:56:09 PM PDT by Optimus Prime (Do liberals even qualify as sentient beings?)
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To: Steely Tom

Given his record, I imagine he’s busy contacting foreign embassies, trying to negotiate asylum for him and the wife after the election.


23 posted on 10/30/2012 12:59:58 PM PDT by Kenton
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To: Kenton

LOL if Baraq loses, I think he’ll live primarily in NYC (like BJ) and have a frequent gig on PMSNBC.


24 posted on 10/30/2012 1:02:33 PM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: Steely Tom
I have an alternative theory. Perhaps he realizes big mo is against him...and he realizes being out on the trail isn't getting him any more votes. The only ones who show up are deep blue supporters.

Maybe he thinks its to his strategic advantage to stay at home and get all positive press...and by staying home he will actually gain votes.

Just a thought.

25 posted on 10/30/2012 1:03:02 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Grampa Dave

The Dems are still working hard on their get out the vote.


26 posted on 10/30/2012 1:04:49 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: ilgipper

Someone in his campaign may have gotten a clue that a split screen of him campaigning next to one of a natural disaster wasn’t a great photo-op for re-election.

Especially since he has been AWOL all during his Presentcy at important times either golfing, vacationing, fundraising etc. In fact did the 2008 campaign ever end? I think not.


27 posted on 10/30/2012 1:06:15 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: rbbeachkid
I go back and forth about this. Sometimes I think that he is not interested in winning. At other times I think that he just has no idea how to work hard at something. Which ever the case, I have had the feeling for a while now that he is just phoning it in.

Obama likes the bling. That's about it. That's the only aspect of the job he cares about. The rest is a hassle.

Didn't start out that way. He liked the idea of turning millions of lives upside down. He liked the idea of sticking it to white America. He liked the fawning adulation he got from his peeps, the low-information voters, the Obama-phone users.

He just didn't expect any push-back. It was fun as long as the target was immobilized. Problem is, the target didn't stand still, and eventually it started to fight back. Fun quotient went downhill rapidly after that.

The President, like any chief executive, has much less raw power in fact than how it appears to an outsider. He never has the resources he needs to get done what he wants to get done. He has to use his personality to get people who don't like him to cooperate with him, and in order to do that, he has to be prepared to compromise, to offer the person on the other side of the table something he wants in return for something else.

Obama thinks of his opposition as members of the Ku Klux Klan, as members of the Nazi party, as racist boogie-men. He can't compromise with them because he hates them.

This is one reason why he can't get anything done.

28 posted on 10/30/2012 1:08:48 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steely Tom

Remember that the candidate may keep unspent election funds at the end of the campaign, and he will need to ching for his crib to host his choom gang. He went to Florida to pick up a check, IMHO.

It must have been enough to set him up. Besides, he is probably a stockholder in an arms sale company to sell to the Muslim Brotherhood after he leaves office, along with his hco-owners, I’m thinking.

Besides, he’s got so many, many pardons to sign, a la Clintoon, after the election.


29 posted on 10/30/2012 1:09:01 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Grampa Dave
>"throw the prison doors to huge crowds of “his people”

His own private 0mugabe army! Just as well armed, and funded as the US military. Loyal only to him.

30 posted on 10/30/2012 1:10:14 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Dems are still working hard on their get out the vote.

The ones who still have a future with their party, sure.

Obama has no future. Benghazi - and other things that are going to come out - are going to make it so.

31 posted on 10/30/2012 1:13:07 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steely Tom

I’d love to think you’re right, but in the immortal words of Yogi - “It ain’t over till it’s over” and a week is an eternity in politics. Keep in mind that the bulk of the undecided voters are people who are only vaguely aware of the issues, and a lot of them are only vaguely aware that this is planet earth, so if 0bama can portray himself as a leader in post-storm recovery, it could go a long way.


32 posted on 10/30/2012 1:17:26 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ( For AMERICA's sake: Vote for the Mormon, NOT the muslim; The Capitalist, NOT the Communist! FUBO!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

They are dispatching lawyers all over the country


33 posted on 10/30/2012 1:20:19 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: rawcatslyentist
Your response is very scary:

"throw the prison doors to huge crowds of “his people” His own private 0mugabe army! Just as well armed, and funded as the US military. Loyal only to him.

34 posted on 10/30/2012 1:20:50 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
I’d love to think you’re right, but in the immortal words of Yogi - “It ain’t over till it’s over” and a week is an eternity in politics.

You're right of course. I didn't say our side could go into idle. We have to stay on point right up till we each pull the lever or mark our ballot on election day.

My point is that Obama has packed it in. I suppose that it's possible he could rally a little if he gets the right signals from his staffers, but I think it's going to be all downhill from now on in, and it's going to be pretty hard for him to keep on kidding himself.

But I agree with you. A week's an eternity in politics, and it isn't over till it's over.

My point was that he's back in DC to negotiate over the post-election future. He's going to be looking for how he can maximize his future outcomes and minimize his downside in the out-years. He may try to set things up with one or more foreign governments. He may try to set time-bombs up for Romney, in consultation with other Democrats in Congress, in the states, and in Chicago. He may try to set his friends up with future income streams, or with pardons.

35 posted on 10/30/2012 1:23:59 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I got more emails this week from Move On stooges asking me to man the phones this week for battle ground states.


36 posted on 10/30/2012 1:24:20 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I got more emails this week from Move On stooges asking me to man the phones this weekend for battle ground states.


37 posted on 10/30/2012 1:25:20 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I got more emails this week from Move On stooges asking me to man the phones this weekend for battle ground states.


38 posted on 10/30/2012 1:25:32 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: GeronL
They are dispatching lawyers all over the country

They're for if it's close. If it's a blow-out, they'll all hightail it for home. After they turn in their time sheets, of course.

39 posted on 10/30/2012 1:25:52 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steely Tom

I am surprised that Obama has not started dressing himself in a Colonel’s uniform and cap with lots of gold braid and medals on his chest, and driving all around the country in a motorcade with flags on the bumpers like Amin did.


40 posted on 10/30/2012 1:29:34 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Grampa Dave
"throw the prison doors to huge crowds of “his people” His own private 0mugabe army! Just as well armed, and funded as the US military. Loyal only to him.

His private army will be distracted by the first porno theater, first all-you-can-eat buffet, first all-you-can-buy drug bazaar they come across.

They'll look scary, but their "operational tempo" will fall short of expectations.

41 posted on 10/30/2012 1:29:35 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steely Tom

Very likely some of his minions will stir up as much “civil unrest” as possible in order to punish “white America” for rejecting him.


42 posted on 10/30/2012 1:31:49 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Steely Tom
There will be no justice. President Pollyanna (Bush 43) was much more conservative than flip-flop Mitt, and he didn't do anything about the Clinton's shameful pardon / vandalism / looting party.

I'm looking forward to seeing Obama fired as much as anyone, but he will be replaced by a Massachusetts liberal liar.

The wise conservative will take pleasure in Obama's exit yet be DOUBLY vigilant during the next four years.

Let us not forget it was Bush who destroyed the fourth amendment. The Romney / Ried / Salt Lake cult will go after the first.

Mark my words.

43 posted on 10/30/2012 1:36:57 PM PDT by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: Steely Tom

That’s the problem the left faces - their proxy thugs have been morally decayed over the generations to the point that they are nearly worthless to them.


44 posted on 10/30/2012 1:37:08 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: LachlanMinnesota
I am surprised that Obama has not started dressing himself in a Colonel’s uniform and cap with lots of gold braid and medals on his chest, and driving all around the country in a motorcade with flags on the bumpers like Amin did.

Well, Big Daddy didn't have Air Force One. That has flags on it, and in it. Lots of chum for the choom gang.

As far as the uniform, I wonder if he thinks about when he looks in the mirror.

45 posted on 10/30/2012 1:37:39 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: RoosterRedux
"How far reaching is his power to pardon—i.e. can he throw the prison doors to huge crowds of “his people” who have been convicted of rape and murder?"

Think bigger. He could "pardon" all illegal aliens in one fell swoop.

46 posted on 10/30/2012 1:40:20 PM PDT by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: Steely Tom

He probably would, but in his perspective, 4 or 5 stars just wouldn’t be enough. /s


47 posted on 10/30/2012 1:42:05 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: SENTINEL
I think he would have to identify them by name for such to be effective.

He could certainly pardon all terrorists held at Gitmo.

48 posted on 10/30/2012 1:47:09 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: Steely Tom

Are you kidding? The left thinks they are winning. They know it is close, but they believe they are going to carry Ohio and win. Nate Silver and his “model”, along with InTrade odds and a few friendly polls is what they base this on. Obama has most certainly not given up.

Hussein is back in DC dealing with the storm because it is a great way to make him look like a leader and presidential. Romney can’t do the same, and Obama will use this to his advantage. Make no mistake, this storm was a big shot in the arm for Obama.


49 posted on 10/30/2012 1:50:36 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: arthurus

Neah.

Truth is, criminalizing policy is a path to civil war and dictatorship. If an Administration KNOWS that it faces prosecution upon its ouster, it can’t very well afford to lose power can it? Remember, Democrats were thinking about prosecuting Bush II when he left the White House, but (relatively) wiser heads prevailed.

I just hope that Romney will be prepared to hand a big sack of excrement that Obama is going to hand him in January...


50 posted on 10/30/2012 1:58:06 PM PDT by Little Ray (I have VOTED AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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