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Vanity: If Obama loses can he still be impeached?

Posted on 10/31/2012 11:30:10 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55

Say Obama loses the election and then these emails that Gingrich are talking about surface. And then eventually the videos come out.

Obama has LIED to the American people just like Clinton. Even though he wouldn't be around can elected officials still vote to impeach him? Even though it wouldn't be knocking him out of office per se? Just a mark on his record?

What are the ramifications of impeachment?


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To: butterdezillion

More to the point, conviction on an impeachment after his term was over would prevent him from running for Congress, running for the Senate, or doing a Grover Cleveland and running again in 2016.

Using 18th Century construction, it would also revoke his pension.

I’m for it.


61 posted on 10/31/2012 12:04:58 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Gaffer
House of Representatives can indict; Senate is the jury....Bill Clinton was impeached and found innocent by the Senate.

That's not exactly how it works. The House tried and convicted Clinton, which is why he is called the impeached president. The Senate assesses penalties and they refused to assess any penalty on Clinton which was why he was never removed from office or assessed any other penalty as the result of being impeached.

The last part of your post is dead on!

62 posted on 10/31/2012 12:05:07 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: txrangerette

We say the GOP will not allow him to be prosecuted. BUT this may change as more evidence begins to trickle out.

There could be some REAL damning stuff coming out.......


63 posted on 10/31/2012 12:05:18 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

The Congress (House & Senate) can only impeach and convict a sitting president. The Constitution prohibits Congress from passing a Bill of Attainder which would amount to trial and conviction of a private citizen. That’s the role of the courts.


64 posted on 10/31/2012 12:05:38 PM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: butterdezillion

Yes, if an official is granted certain priveleges under the law, removal of those priveleges must be done through law.


65 posted on 10/31/2012 12:06:17 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: xone

We need to make it INEVITABLE that he faces prosecution.

If he’s going to be charged with treason, it better be done through impeachment though, because if it was done through law enforcement I think it would go to the Supreme Court, and we’ve already got 2 justices who should recuse themselves but won’t.

Perjury and fraud would be good things for him to be prosecuted for...


66 posted on 10/31/2012 12:06:46 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Here is what I understand about the process. If any of this is wrong or technically incorrect, feel free.

Nixon avoided jail when he was granted a full pardon by Ford and he was not impeached prior to his resignation.

A POTUS (Obama) is only impeachable while he or she is POTUS. If he is impeached and convicted, he can still be charged in a court of law where Congress has no vote (trial by judge and jury).

If Obama is not impeached, he can still be charged post-presidency if certain criteria are met and if there is sufficient evidence to warrant the charges just as Nixon would have been had Ford not pardoned him.


67 posted on 10/31/2012 12:06:54 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: ConservativeMan55
Could that then bar him from holding future elective office?Not legally for federal offices, so far as I know. Only conviction upon impeachment can carry that legal penalty. As a practical matter, it is extremely unlikely that someone convicted of crimes of office would BE elected, but you never know. Florida has a longtime Congressman, Hastings, who only ran for that office in the first place because he was a federal judge who was impeached and convicted for bribery.
68 posted on 10/31/2012 12:07:23 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: cotton1706

“Impeachment is an indictment for removal from office and nothing more”

You are wrong. It also results in permanent disqualification from future service, which in this case is probably a wise precaution.


69 posted on 10/31/2012 12:08:07 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Jim Noble

Would his running for future office also depend on what the conviction was and the punishment?

Like the Alcee Hastings deal he ran for future office?


70 posted on 10/31/2012 12:08:10 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55
And could this testimony cause problems for O during a criminal trial?

It demands on what he is asked to testfy about. For example, if he were required to testify about his citizenship, he would be compelled to answer. However, if he were asked to testify about matters that could be considered national security matters, the answer is most likely no. The exception would be if the courtroom were closed to the public and ONLY the Judge, Prosecutor, Defending Atorney and (maybe) the Jury could be present.

71 posted on 10/31/2012 12:09:08 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: cotton1706

State law enforcement is supposed to be independent of the POTUS, though, so state prosecution wouldn’t/shouldn’t be affected by either impeachment or non-impeachment.


72 posted on 10/31/2012 12:09:31 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
We need to make it INEVITABLE that he faces prosecution.

Agreed, constitutionally, how?

73 posted on 10/31/2012 12:09:51 PM PDT by xone
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To: ConservativeMan55
And could this testimony cause problems for O during a criminal trial?

It depends on what he is asked to testfy about. For example, if he were required to testify about his citizenship, he would be compelled to answer. However, if he were asked to testify about matters that could be considered national security matters, the answer is most likely no. The exception would be if the courtroom were closed to the public and ONLY the Judge, Prosecutor, Defending Atorney and (maybe) the Jury could be present.

74 posted on 10/31/2012 12:09:51 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: SoothingDave

The Senate did not bar Hastings from future service. It’s discretionary.


75 posted on 10/31/2012 12:09:51 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: equaviator

I can’t see any situation in which President Romney would pardon Obama.

Hmmm


76 posted on 10/31/2012 12:10:02 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: butterdezillion
but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

BINGO, We could hold the rats liable and indict Pelosi and Reid!

77 posted on 10/31/2012 12:10:58 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: DustyMoment

Wow that could be get VERY interesting........ discovery.


78 posted on 10/31/2012 12:11:05 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: DustyMoment

“That’s not exactly how it works. The House tried and convicted Clinton, which is why he is called the impeached president. The Senate assesses penalties and they refused to assess any penalty on Clinton”

This is not true. An impeachment is an indictment, an accusal, not a conviction. The same body would not indict and convict. That would be a violation of common law. It is up to the senate whether the accused is guilty or not guilty of the accusal. In the case of Clinton, they found him not guilty. Should 2/3rds have found him guilty, he would have been removed from office immediately.


79 posted on 10/31/2012 12:11:15 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: ConservativeMan55
At this point I don't think impeachment is possible. But I would like to see him stand trial for treason, and...whatever the crime would be if, indeed, he did give the "stand down" order to our military when Americans were under attack. As the Commander-in-Chief, could there be some military punishment that he should face?

In any case...I would very much like to see Obama end up in jail and/or at the very least, stripped of any government pension and benefits.

80 posted on 10/31/2012 12:11:32 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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