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Darkest moments in US History

Posted on 11/12/2012 6:33:35 PM PST by MNDude

In your opinion, what are the five darkest times in US history (excluding this election since that would be too obvious)


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1 posted on 11/12/2012 6:33:40 PM PST by MNDude
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To: MNDude

Roe V wade. Eminent domain. Obama. Obama, again. And the idiots that elected him twice.


2 posted on 11/12/2012 6:39:11 PM PST by deadrock
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To: MNDude

Anything put on the internet in any shape or form can be read by anyone with just a little knowledge. And is there FOREVER.

The irony - old fashion just talking or sending a letter through snail mail may be the most secure.


3 posted on 11/12/2012 6:39:48 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: MNDude

War of 1812— having the White House sacked and burned by the British was a real bummer.

South seceding from the Union.

Lincoln assasination.
Garfield assasination.

FDR inaugurated to an unprecedented 3rd term.


4 posted on 11/12/2012 6:39:56 PM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: DEADROCK

oops - sorry - wrong thread


5 posted on 11/12/2012 6:40:44 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: MNDude

The sixties. Roe v Wade. The Civil War. FDR. Justice Roberts and Obamacare.


6 posted on 11/12/2012 6:43:11 PM PST by Third Person (I'm in my prime.)
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To: MNDude

FDR 3rd election

Death of FDR (he deserved to see the end of the war)

election of Carter

election of Clinton twice


7 posted on 11/12/2012 6:45:29 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: MNDude

OK, I’ll play.

1. The Louisiana Purchase. If that hadn’t happened, America would’ve remained 13 colonies (maybe 14, with Florida). No genocide of native Americans. No conflict over whether slavery can/cannot expand to new territories.

2. The Mexican War. Pretty much for the same reasons as #1.

3. The Civil War. Obvious.

4. The Spanish American War. The beginning of America as an “imperial” power.

5. 1952 Republican Presidential nomination. Robert Taft was America’s last real chance to return to “normalcy”. We blew it.

Bonus: the 1960 presidential election. We elected Kennedy ‘cause he was good looking and charming, proving the old America was gone for good.

Seriously, nothing since then has mattered - it’s all been more of the same.


8 posted on 11/12/2012 6:50:36 PM PST by I Shall Endure
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To: Third Person

1) Election/reelection of Obama, 2) Roe v Wade, 3) FDR, 4) Justice Roberts, and 5) Obamacare.

None of the above had happy endings:
1. Total disregard, not once, but twice for our Constitution’s requirments to be elegible to be president. Hence, a muslim foreigner and anti-American, anti-Semetic socialist turns our country into a lawless quagmire.

2. Death of well over 50,000,000 unborn and newly born American children, and paid for with taxes to boot.

3. Beginning of the handout generation and attacks on big business.

4. Totally ignoring common sense and virtually destroying a significant part of our economy with asshatted stupidity of calling a travesty a tax.

5. (fill in the blank)


9 posted on 11/12/2012 6:51:07 PM PST by laweeks
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To: MNDude

Trail of Tears, going to war against the south, the income tax, Roosevelt declaring as president for life, JFK, and then the results that followed JFK, Vietnam, unionizing government, roe v wade.

The poison pill that destroyed us was the 1965 Immigration Act, which was enabled by 1800s immigration.


10 posted on 11/12/2012 6:51:41 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: MNDude

Roseanne Barr’s National Anthem.


11 posted on 11/12/2012 6:51:45 PM PST by waredbird
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To: MNDude

Valley Forge
Fredricksburg
Influenza epidemic
Pearl Harbor
Vietnam


12 posted on 11/12/2012 6:54:24 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: MNDude

October 3, 1965 the Immigration and Nationality Act was signed into law.


13 posted on 11/12/2012 6:55:21 PM PST by skeeter
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To: MNDude
1. Winter at Valley Forge

2. The Firing on Fort Sumter and the beginning of the Civil War

3. The Winter of 1933-1934 - Unemployment hits 24.9%

4. The Fall of Corregidor - May, 1942 was dark, indeed

5. The enactment of The Great Society legislation in the mid-1960s which ushered in the welfare state

And, for good measure, 6. The Defeat in Vietnam, from which we have yet to recover

14 posted on 11/12/2012 6:55:59 PM PST by TonyInOhio
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To: MNDude

March 4, 1913 the first inauguration of Woodrow Wilson.


15 posted on 11/12/2012 6:59:14 PM PST by skeeter
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To: MNDude
November 22, 1963 assassination of JFK.

Not because one man died, but because of the political fallout.

16 posted on 11/12/2012 7:00:42 PM PST by skeeter
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To: MNDude

Valley Forge
Lincoln’s assasination
Pearl Harbor
9/11 attacks
2012 presidential election outcome


17 posted on 11/12/2012 7:00:59 PM PST by Nifster
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To: I Shall Endure
There were already 16 states as of 1796, and Ohio became the 17th as of March 1, 1803, before the Louisiana Purchase was finalized. Seven more states were formed from territories which already belonged to the US (Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, Alabama, Mississippi, Maine), plus West Virginia was later carved out of Virginia, but that wouldn't have happened except for the Civil War. So without the Louisiana Purchase we might have 24 states, or 25 if we had acquired Florida.

It's hard to imagine the land beyond the Mississippi River remaining sparsely settled--Americans would have gone there whoever was in control. If Spain had not sold the area back to France, it's doubtful they could have held on to it once it started to fill up with American settlers. So we probably would have expanded west of the Mississippi, but perhaps in a more violent fashion.

Robert Taft died in 1953...so if he had been nominated and won, what would have mattered was who he picked for VP.

18 posted on 11/12/2012 7:06:45 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: married21
Bill O'Reilly has now written books on the assassination of Lincoln and the assassination of Kennedy.

I'm waiting for him to announce what is the next book in the series: Garfield or McKinley.

19 posted on 11/12/2012 7:09:28 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: married21

The burning of Washington in 1814 destroyed the earliest census records for some states—a blow to many people doing genealogical research. The burning of Richmond in 1865 caused a greater loss, but confined to people with ancestors in Virginia.


20 posted on 11/12/2012 7:12:05 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: skeeter

My first thought for this list also. Wilson was evil.
Roe v Wade
Pearl Harbor
Wickard v. Filburn
Obamacare


21 posted on 11/12/2012 7:13:50 PM PST by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: MNDude

Leaving our allies (the South Vietnamese) alone and cut off from military aid (by the Democratic congress) to face the retribution of the North Vietnamese.


22 posted on 11/12/2012 7:15:56 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Nifster

My first marriage.. made the Bataan Death March look like the Bunny Hop

My second Honeymoon.. the period between “I DO”, and “YOU’D BETTER”


23 posted on 11/12/2012 7:22:20 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: MNDude

Worst being #1:

5. Re-election of FDR in ‘36 and ‘40. The inexorable march towards marxism is set in stone.

4. Introduction of slavery to the american colonies. Face it. How many of our longstanding societal problems would have been averted had this never happened.

3. Civil War (directly related to #4). After effects are still reverberating.

2. LBJ’s War on Poverty.

1. Obama ‘12 re-election. The final nail in the coffin.


24 posted on 11/12/2012 7:23:12 PM PST by crusader71
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To: carlo3b

were you actually in the march??? I know survivors of both Bataan and Coreigidor...and I tend to not be very amused when those are used for humor


25 posted on 11/12/2012 7:24:56 PM PST by Nifster
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To: TonyInOhio

Your #14 is a list I can agree with. I was going to say Dec. 7, 1941 which was the precursor for Corregidor, the Bataan Death March and all the horrors that followed. Good list, especially your indictment of LBJ and his creation of the American welfare state.


26 posted on 11/12/2012 7:26:54 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: MNDude

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLgTX3AsnE0&feature=youtu.be


27 posted on 11/12/2012 7:27:03 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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1) Winter of 1777, Valley Forge
2) Panic of 1837
3) Antietam, 1862
4) Bonus Army, summer 1932
5) 1970s: resignation of Nixon, two oil shocks, fall of Saigon, takeover of U.S. Embassy in Teheran


28 posted on 11/12/2012 7:33:29 PM PST by chajin
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To: Nifster

So very sorry my Friend.. great point.. some things are too horrendous.. Don’t know what I was thinking..


29 posted on 11/12/2012 7:40:23 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: MNDude

It’s only 4, but passing amendments 16 through 19 to the constitution put us on a path of destruction that started about 50 years after they were passed (one was fortunately repealed), the 16th and 17th amendments have nearly destroyed this country, and number 19 is very debatable, after women started voting with their “lady parts”. :<


30 posted on 11/12/2012 7:43:11 PM PST by hawkeye101 (Ron Paul attacked every Republican in the 2012 race EXCEPT for Mitt Romney.)
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To: MNDude

1. September 11, 2001
2. December 7, 1941
3. November 22, 1963
4. April 14, 1865
5. October 29, 1929


31 posted on 11/12/2012 7:53:38 PM PST by Brandonmark (OWCM is The new American Minority!)
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In order of evil

1. Roe v. Wade
2. Legalizing slavery in the 13 new US states. I understand why, but still a dark moment in US history.
3. Genocide of Indians. Again, I understand it was just tit for tat vs true savage people, but somewhat a dark era of US history. We murdered a lot of Indian women and children.
4. Sherman’s scorched earth policy. The man was a truly evil fiend, even if his strategy proved brilliant. Sherman was a cold-hearted gutter punk.
5. The entire 1960’s counter culture and communist infiltration that ultimately doomed America.


32 posted on 11/12/2012 8:08:27 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Pray to God. Apologize to your children.)
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To: MNDude

Bonus round:

1968 Gun Control Act. The beginning of the end of Freedom in America.

Bonus round 2:

Baby Bush creates Homeland Security and especially TSA. If the 1968 GCA is the beginning of the end for freedom, then TSA/Homeland Security is the end of the beginning of Tyranny.


33 posted on 11/12/2012 8:12:38 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Pray to God. Apologize to your children.)
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The Civil War
The Depression
WWII
Roe vs. Wade
Obama’s 2008 election


34 posted on 11/12/2012 8:17:14 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I have to admit that Obamacare is our final nail in the coffin.

Creation of the income tax and the Federal Reserve are way up there among dark moments in US history. This made certain our eventual economic collapse.


35 posted on 11/12/2012 8:19:10 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Pray to God. Apologize to your children.)
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To: MNDude

Really interesting. Virtually everyone cites Roe v. Wade. It is emerging as a real linchpin for the decline of what was a great country.

I am not as scholarly as the esteemed FReepers on this thread, but I’d put in descending order:

1. Acceptance/legalization of slavery. The bane of our existence. The basic denial of the essence of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution. The terrible defect of our otherwise laudable history. Repercussions continue today.

2. Roe v Wade. We are no longer an overall decent moral people. It saps my pride of being an American, although I still am, due mostly to the many great Americans who have stood for life.

3. The Civil War, specifically, that the southern states seceded rather than agree to end slavery. We’d probably still have states rights if we hadn’t so tenaciously hung on to our “freedom” to own and abuse people. So many great men lost.

4. FDR’s Great Society - the bulwark of the social welfare state.

5. Tough to choose, so many to choose from, but I’ll go with the Kelo decision, which knocked the guts out of private property rights. The right to own property is an essential freedom which appears to depend now upon the whim of the bureaucrat.


36 posted on 11/12/2012 8:27:31 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: I Shall Endure

I like your list about best, though would rank them differently. Just thought I’d clarify the Civil War was not precipitated by Westward expansion slavery. That caused strife, as in “bloody Kansas,” but not the big war. The free versus slave territory is a red herring; the Missouri Compromise l, Dred Scott, and the Pacific coast pretty much took care of it.

I remember being confused as to why the Mason Dixon line wasn’t extended all the way and that’s that, when I was in school. Turns out historians were confused, not me. There simply wasn’t anywhere new for slavers to go by 1860. Unless you’re one of the ones attributing to Southerners vast and insane designs to conquer the Caribbean.


37 posted on 11/12/2012 8:28:23 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: MNDude

When whites became Borg.


38 posted on 11/12/2012 8:29:38 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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Creation of Socialist Insecurity, aka Social Security

The Supreme Court decision permitting eminent domain seizureof land simply cuz the local gov’t could GET MORE TAX REV if the land were developed (developer later went bankrupt).

Reelection of GayMuzzie

Roe v. Wade

Gun Control Act of 1968

FDR 3rd Term


39 posted on 11/12/2012 8:42:25 PM PST by gaijin
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1965 immigration act. Flood a nation with unassimilated Third Worlders, get a Third World nation. Anybody want to seriously argue we aren’t heading down that path culturally? A large segment has no appreciation for the founding principles simply because they came from the hated white male. They will never even grasp the outlines of the liberty they have just cast aside. It’s simply beyond their experience. Their chains will rest lightly indeed; they earnestly sought them out.


40 posted on 11/12/2012 8:56:58 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: MNDude
Hmm...well, the worst actions against American freedom weren't always taken at a low point, so I'll lump them together.

1. Valley Forge. We were that close to going under.

2. Secession of the Southern states. The poison of slavery kept that from being settled as it might have been and made it inevitable from well before the ratification of the Constitution.

3. The first "progressive" era that brought us the 16th amendment (income tax, 1909) and the 17th (direct election of senators, 1912) and would end with the disastrous social engineering of the 18th amendment (prohibition, 1917).

4. The second re-election of FDR. How bad was it? The 22nd Amendment was passed in 1947 to prohibit it ever happening again, passed during his successor's administration. It has never been challenged to my knowledge but it shortly will be.

5. The Long March Through The Institutions that has brought us our current Left-indoctrinated ruling class in academia, media, and government. Maybe 1965-present. These are the people who are destroying our country.

41 posted on 11/12/2012 9:07:21 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: carlo3b

Its all good...I knew you were making an effort to give us all a chuckle (and Lord knows we could use one)...just thought I’d give you a chance to pick better next time....And I know that the ex can be pretty horrendous....


42 posted on 11/12/2012 9:10:04 PM PST by Nifster
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Yup....the 1965 Immigration Act. A nation can withstand a lot of things, but it can’t withstand the replacement of its population by tens of millions of people from different cultures. National suicide.


43 posted on 11/12/2012 9:15:18 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: Nifster

I guess you now know I’m supposed to be a comedy writer, just can’t shake it sometime.. blush.. :)


44 posted on 11/12/2012 9:20:39 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: Verginius Rufus

I just read a good book on Garfield’s assasination. I forgot the title but looking just now on Amazon, I think it is Destiny of the Republic: A Tale of Madness, Medicine and the Murder of a President.

My son (11) is reading O’Reilly’s book, Killing Lincoln, which covers his last 14 days. He says it’s pretty good.


45 posted on 11/12/2012 9:33:30 PM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: carlo3b

That’s okay. Really up until the Battan part you sounded like you were on a roll....maybe you could have used the dust bowl (and my family went through that out on the Colorado Kansas border) instead...I mean that was rough and I know people died and all but at least it was Mother Nature (and bad farming practices) getting even.

AsI said we can all use a good laugh


46 posted on 11/12/2012 9:36:19 PM PST by Nifster
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To: married21

There was an author on C-SPAN a while back, possibly the author of that book, who thought Garfield had the potential to be one of the outstanding Presidents...if he hadn’t been killed so soon in his term.


47 posted on 11/12/2012 9:41:59 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: skeeter

C. S. Lewis and Aldous Huxley also died on November 22, 1963, but their passing didn’t have any impact on American history.


48 posted on 11/12/2012 9:44:39 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Yes. Garfield seemed like an uncommonly good and capable man. It was a really big loss when he was killed.


49 posted on 11/12/2012 10:01:22 PM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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