Skip to comments.Darkest moments in US History
Posted on 11/12/2012 6:33:35 PM PST by MNDude
In your opinion, what are the five darkest times in US history (excluding this election since that would be too obvious)
Roe V wade. Eminent domain. Obama. Obama, again. And the idiots that elected him twice.
Anything put on the internet in any shape or form can be read by anyone with just a little knowledge. And is there FOREVER.
The irony - old fashion just talking or sending a letter through snail mail may be the most secure.
War of 1812— having the White House sacked and burned by the British was a real bummer.
South seceding from the Union.
FDR inaugurated to an unprecedented 3rd term.
oops - sorry - wrong thread
The sixties. Roe v Wade. The Civil War. FDR. Justice Roberts and Obamacare.
FDR 3rd election
Death of FDR (he deserved to see the end of the war)
election of Carter
election of Clinton twice
OK, I’ll play.
1. The Louisiana Purchase. If that hadn’t happened, America would’ve remained 13 colonies (maybe 14, with Florida). No genocide of native Americans. No conflict over whether slavery can/cannot expand to new territories.
2. The Mexican War. Pretty much for the same reasons as #1.
3. The Civil War. Obvious.
4. The Spanish American War. The beginning of America as an “imperial” power.
5. 1952 Republican Presidential nomination. Robert Taft was America’s last real chance to return to “normalcy”. We blew it.
Bonus: the 1960 presidential election. We elected Kennedy ‘cause he was good looking and charming, proving the old America was gone for good.
Seriously, nothing since then has mattered - it’s all been more of the same.
1) Election/reelection of Obama, 2) Roe v Wade, 3) FDR, 4) Justice Roberts, and 5) Obamacare.
None of the above had happy endings:
1. Total disregard, not once, but twice for our Constitution’s requirments to be elegible to be president. Hence, a muslim foreigner and anti-American, anti-Semetic socialist turns our country into a lawless quagmire.
2. Death of well over 50,000,000 unborn and newly born American children, and paid for with taxes to boot.
3. Beginning of the handout generation and attacks on big business.
4. Totally ignoring common sense and virtually destroying a significant part of our economy with asshatted stupidity of calling a travesty a tax.
5. (fill in the blank)
Trail of Tears, going to war against the south, the income tax, Roosevelt declaring as president for life, JFK, and then the results that followed JFK, Vietnam, unionizing government, roe v wade.
The poison pill that destroyed us was the 1965 Immigration Act, which was enabled by 1800s immigration.
Roseanne Barr’s National Anthem.
October 3, 1965 the Immigration and Nationality Act was signed into law.
2. The Firing on Fort Sumter and the beginning of the Civil War
3. The Winter of 1933-1934 - Unemployment hits 24.9%
4. The Fall of Corregidor - May, 1942 was dark, indeed
5. The enactment of The Great Society legislation in the mid-1960s which ushered in the welfare state
And, for good measure, 6. The Defeat in Vietnam, from which we have yet to recover
March 4, 1913 the first inauguration of Woodrow Wilson.
Not because one man died, but because of the political fallout.
2012 presidential election outcome
It's hard to imagine the land beyond the Mississippi River remaining sparsely settled--Americans would have gone there whoever was in control. If Spain had not sold the area back to France, it's doubtful they could have held on to it once it started to fill up with American settlers. So we probably would have expanded west of the Mississippi, but perhaps in a more violent fashion.
Robert Taft died in 1953...so if he had been nominated and won, what would have mattered was who he picked for VP.
I'm waiting for him to announce what is the next book in the series: Garfield or McKinley.
The burning of Washington in 1814 destroyed the earliest census records for some states—a blow to many people doing genealogical research. The burning of Richmond in 1865 caused a greater loss, but confined to people with ancestors in Virginia.
My first thought for this list also. Wilson was evil.
Roe v Wade
Wickard v. Filburn
Leaving our allies (the South Vietnamese) alone and cut off from military aid (by the Democratic congress) to face the retribution of the North Vietnamese.
My first marriage.. made the Bataan Death March look like the Bunny Hop
My second Honeymoon.. the period between “I DO”, and “YOU’D BETTER”
Worst being #1:
5. Re-election of FDR in ‘36 and ‘40. The inexorable march towards marxism is set in stone.
4. Introduction of slavery to the american colonies. Face it. How many of our longstanding societal problems would have been averted had this never happened.
3. Civil War (directly related to #4). After effects are still reverberating.
2. LBJ’s War on Poverty.
1. Obama ‘12 re-election. The final nail in the coffin.
were you actually in the march??? I know survivors of both Bataan and Coreigidor...and I tend to not be very amused when those are used for humor
Your #14 is a list I can agree with. I was going to say Dec. 7, 1941 which was the precursor for Corregidor, the Bataan Death March and all the horrors that followed. Good list, especially your indictment of LBJ and his creation of the American welfare state.
1) Winter of 1777, Valley Forge
2) Panic of 1837
3) Antietam, 1862
4) Bonus Army, summer 1932
5) 1970s: resignation of Nixon, two oil shocks, fall of Saigon, takeover of U.S. Embassy in Teheran
So very sorry my Friend.. great point.. some things are too horrendous.. Don’t know what I was thinking..
It’s only 4, but passing amendments 16 through 19 to the constitution put us on a path of destruction that started about 50 years after they were passed (one was fortunately repealed), the 16th and 17th amendments have nearly destroyed this country, and number 19 is very debatable, after women started voting with their “lady parts”. :<
1. September 11, 2001
2. December 7, 1941
3. November 22, 1963
4. April 14, 1865
5. October 29, 1929
In order of evil
1. Roe v. Wade
2. Legalizing slavery in the 13 new US states. I understand why, but still a dark moment in US history.
3. Genocide of Indians. Again, I understand it was just tit for tat vs true savage people, but somewhat a dark era of US history. We murdered a lot of Indian women and children.
4. Sherman’s scorched earth policy. The man was a truly evil fiend, even if his strategy proved brilliant. Sherman was a cold-hearted gutter punk.
5. The entire 1960’s counter culture and communist infiltration that ultimately doomed America.
1968 Gun Control Act. The beginning of the end of Freedom in America.
Bonus round 2:
Baby Bush creates Homeland Security and especially TSA. If the 1968 GCA is the beginning of the end for freedom, then TSA/Homeland Security is the end of the beginning of Tyranny.
The Civil War
Roe vs. Wade
Obama’s 2008 election
I have to admit that Obamacare is our final nail in the coffin.
Creation of the income tax and the Federal Reserve are way up there among dark moments in US history. This made certain our eventual economic collapse.
Really interesting. Virtually everyone cites Roe v. Wade. It is emerging as a real linchpin for the decline of what was a great country.
I am not as scholarly as the esteemed FReepers on this thread, but I’d put in descending order:
1. Acceptance/legalization of slavery. The bane of our existence. The basic denial of the essence of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution. The terrible defect of our otherwise laudable history. Repercussions continue today.
2. Roe v Wade. We are no longer an overall decent moral people. It saps my pride of being an American, although I still am, due mostly to the many great Americans who have stood for life.
3. The Civil War, specifically, that the southern states seceded rather than agree to end slavery. We’d probably still have states rights if we hadn’t so tenaciously hung on to our “freedom” to own and abuse people. So many great men lost.
4. FDR’s Great Society - the bulwark of the social welfare state.
5. Tough to choose, so many to choose from, but I’ll go with the Kelo decision, which knocked the guts out of private property rights. The right to own property is an essential freedom which appears to depend now upon the whim of the bureaucrat.
I like your list about best, though would rank them differently. Just thought I’d clarify the Civil War was not precipitated by Westward expansion slavery. That caused strife, as in “bloody Kansas,” but not the big war. The free versus slave territory is a red herring; the Missouri Compromise l, Dred Scott, and the Pacific coast pretty much took care of it.
I remember being confused as to why the Mason Dixon line wasn’t extended all the way and that’s that, when I was in school. Turns out historians were confused, not me. There simply wasn’t anywhere new for slavers to go by 1860. Unless you’re one of the ones attributing to Southerners vast and insane designs to conquer the Caribbean.
When whites became Borg.
Creation of Socialist Insecurity, aka Social Security
The Supreme Court decision permitting eminent domain seizureof land simply cuz the local gov’t could GET MORE TAX REV if the land were developed (developer later went bankrupt).
Reelection of GayMuzzie
Roe v. Wade
Gun Control Act of 1968
FDR 3rd Term
1965 immigration act. Flood a nation with unassimilated Third Worlders, get a Third World nation. Anybody want to seriously argue we aren’t heading down that path culturally? A large segment has no appreciation for the founding principles simply because they came from the hated white male. They will never even grasp the outlines of the liberty they have just cast aside. It’s simply beyond their experience. Their chains will rest lightly indeed; they earnestly sought them out.
1. Valley Forge. We were that close to going under.
2. Secession of the Southern states. The poison of slavery kept that from being settled as it might have been and made it inevitable from well before the ratification of the Constitution.
3. The first "progressive" era that brought us the 16th amendment (income tax, 1909) and the 17th (direct election of senators, 1912) and would end with the disastrous social engineering of the 18th amendment (prohibition, 1917).
4. The second re-election of FDR. How bad was it? The 22nd Amendment was passed in 1947 to prohibit it ever happening again, passed during his successor's administration. It has never been challenged to my knowledge but it shortly will be.
5. The Long March Through The Institutions that has brought us our current Left-indoctrinated ruling class in academia, media, and government. Maybe 1965-present. These are the people who are destroying our country.
Its all good...I knew you were making an effort to give us all a chuckle (and Lord knows we could use one)...just thought I’d give you a chance to pick better next time....And I know that the ex can be pretty horrendous....
Yup....the 1965 Immigration Act. A nation can withstand a lot of things, but it can’t withstand the replacement of its population by tens of millions of people from different cultures. National suicide.
I guess you now know I’m supposed to be a comedy writer, just can’t shake it sometime.. blush.. :)
I just read a good book on Garfield’s assasination. I forgot the title but looking just now on Amazon, I think it is Destiny of the Republic: A Tale of Madness, Medicine and the Murder of a President.
My son (11) is reading O’Reilly’s book, Killing Lincoln, which covers his last 14 days. He says it’s pretty good.
That’s okay. Really up until the Battan part you sounded like you were on a roll....maybe you could have used the dust bowl (and my family went through that out on the Colorado Kansas border) instead...I mean that was rough and I know people died and all but at least it was Mother Nature (and bad farming practices) getting even.
AsI said we can all use a good laugh
There was an author on C-SPAN a while back, possibly the author of that book, who thought Garfield had the potential to be one of the outstanding Presidents...if he hadn’t been killed so soon in his term.
C. S. Lewis and Aldous Huxley also died on November 22, 1963, but their passing didn’t have any impact on American history.
Yes. Garfield seemed like an uncommonly good and capable man. It was a really big loss when he was killed.