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Using Layers to Build Your Preparedness Supply
Ready Nutrition ^ | 11/12 | Tess Pennington

Posted on 11/13/2012 11:17:38 AM PST by Kartographer

I have found that when starting your preparedness measures, it is best to start at the beginning in order to ensure you have everything you need to build up your foundation. Start your preparations with a 72-hour kit and then create a vehicle 72-hour kit. Once that is complete, you can begin ensuring your basic needs are met for longer periods or begin targeting other layers of preparedness. The 52-Weeks to Preparedness series offers a complete list of getting your home and family ready for unexpected disasters.

Having multiple emergency plans is another example of layering up. Not only do you always need a Plan B, you need Plan C, Plan D and on through the alphabet for every situation. Keep the following tips in mind when beginning your preparedness foundation:

Keep family members and any medical or special needs in mind when planning Don’t forget your pets Continually adding onto your layers will makes for a more economical approach to preparing Many preps have multiple uses and can be used for multiple disasters Let’s look at some other examples of how you might layer your preparedness.

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1 posted on 11/13/2012 11:17:45 AM PST by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 11/13/2012 11:18:20 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Have you gotten feedback from the folks hit by Sandy yet? I am pretty sure your advice (obviously stocking up on gasoline) would have helped them a lot.

Just curious.

I am always honest: I think WTSHTF is twaddle but preparing for emergencies is what any smart person should do.


3 posted on 11/13/2012 11:24:26 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: Kartographer

(insert goats and chicken joke here)


4 posted on 11/13/2012 11:25:09 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: Kartographer

100 Items to Disappear First

1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won’t heat a room.)
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur).
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman’s Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {”Strike Anywhere” preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, “No. 76 Dietz” Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men’s Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. “Survival-in-a-Can”
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress’s
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens

From a Sarajevo War Survivor:
Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and
friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.

1. Stockpiling helps. but you never know how long trouble will last, so locate
near renewable food sources.
2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war
quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold’s.
4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it’s the easiest to
do without (unless you’re in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without
heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of
the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs
enough heat to “warm”, not to cook. It’s cheap too, especially if you buy it in
bulk.
6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more
valuable as the war continues. Sure, it’s great to have a lot of survival
guides, but you’ll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you’ll
have a lot of time on your hands.
7. The feeling that you’re human can fade pretty fast. I can’t tell you how many
people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of
toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to
lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches


5 posted on 11/13/2012 11:31:24 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Kartographer

Good article, modifiable depending upon your personal threat assessment.


6 posted on 11/13/2012 11:33:23 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: freedumb2003; Marcella; JRandomFreeper

Yes, both JRandomFreeper and Marcella also recieved Kudos both in thread post and FReep mails.

And all three of us also recieved anti-prepper posts during Sandy. Seems you either help or stand around and bitch about others and the situation. And even on FR you will find some who would rather bitch than help.


7 posted on 11/13/2012 11:35:32 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

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8 posted on 11/13/2012 11:36:07 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Kartographer

Please add me to your Ping List. Thanks!


9 posted on 11/13/2012 11:37:04 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; freedumb2003

This is in my Preparedness Manual. Its a good list despite what freedumb2003 thinks.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 11:38:01 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
And learn to never throw anything away. Use it up.

For example, I was watching a prepping show the other day. Some people were all proud of themselves because they turned a bushel of apples into cider. WTF?

First of all, the skins of those apples could be dried, spiced, and used for snacks. The meat of the apple can be canned for pie or fruit and longer term storage. The smaller pieces around the core can be used for apple pie jam. The core can be crushed, soaked, and the loose juice used for jelly or syrup. What remains of the core can be used for making apple cider vinegar (which would be used to preserve vegetables that lack long term storage abilities, like summer squash and cucumbers).

These "preppers" were making friggen cider - one gallon - and were so proud of themselves. Seriously? I mean really. Seriously???

Don't throw away hard wood ash from the wood stove. Make soap. AND that ash is 20-50% lyme (depending on the type of wood). It can be used for the garden to de-acidify mulch, or made into a paste for stove repair. It's also good for melting ice, or covering "humanure" if necessary.

11 posted on 11/13/2012 11:38:10 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Kartographer

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12 posted on 11/13/2012 11:38:45 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: freedumb2003

On one hand, I just finished Creek Stewart’s `Build the Perfect Bug Out Bag: Your 72-Hour Disaster Survival Kit’ (only a couple bucks on Kindle) and am using it to improve my own.
On the other hand, I’m not doing a lot of the hardcore prepper stuff I read about here and elsewhere. And I’ll give you a granola bar if your ribs are showing. Moderation in all things.


13 posted on 11/13/2012 11:47:56 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BFL


14 posted on 11/13/2012 11:57:21 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Kartographer; JRandomFreeper; Marcella

>>And all three of us also recieved (sic) anti-prepper posts during Sandy. Seems you either help or stand around and bitch about others and the situation. And even on FR you will find some who would rather bitch than help.<<

Hey, I poke fun at you but I am NOT anti-prepper. Like I said, I was in a disaster zone AND survived an actual RL big-time disaster. I know what is needed and posted a sensible list.

I merely pointed out that people can’t prep for a disaster as they would for the mythical WTSHTF.

JRF and Marcella, can you post or link to your experiences?

Smart preparation makes a lot of sense. Getting ready for a Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome OTOH: probably low to zero ROI.

Keep posting these (seriously) and I’ll keep helping you keep it real.


15 posted on 11/13/2012 11:59:36 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: tumblindice

>>And I’ll give you a granola bar if your ribs are showing. Moderation in all things.<<

Hey, I have cover now for storing fat for WTSHTF.

That’s my story and I am sticking to it.

(OTOH, do you think they will want to eat me first?)


16 posted on 11/13/2012 12:02:14 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: Kartographer
Worn out clothes can be made into layered quilts for warmth. Fabrics not suited for quilts can be braided into rugs. The colonialists used these rugs to sleep on and as cushions for the wagon seats.

Animal bones can be boiled and the juice used for soup broth, then ground to add calcium to the garden (necessary for tomatoes). Animal fat can be rendered and used as lard, or saved for soap.

Boiled, Cut off ends or leaves of veggies can also be used for broth. Afterwords, toss them into the mulch bin to replenish your garden soil.

Bottles filled with water will retain heat. They're a good passive solar item. Use them as warm windows in make shift shelters. Old bottles also make a good insulator between the floor and the ground if making a shed or small shelter.

Cob (clay, sand, and hay) will make a workable oven, wood stove, or hut. Thatching, or field plants, make a fine roof.

You can make quick bread from any edible seed. Mix with wood ash while dry, and add vinegar right before cooking. The combination of ash and vinegar (acid and alkaline) will cause the substance to bubble, or rise. This works well for a pancake type bread.

You can start a fire with the bottom of a broken glass bottle (or eyeglasses) like a magnifying glass. Focus the rays of the sun into a small dot over dry grass. It will start to smoke and turn to cinder. Add larger pieces to the grass until the fire is strong.

17 posted on 11/13/2012 12:03:48 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: freedumb2003

Gee, I dunno. You may be tasty but I doubt you’d be here if you were a dimmycrat.

A Fateful Journey

In the Colorado Rockies
Where the snow is deep and cold
And a man afoot can starve to death
Unless he’s brave and bold

Oh Alfred Packer
You’ll surely go to hell
While all the others starved to death
You dined a bit too well

— from The Ballad of Alfred Packer

Stand up yah voracious man-eatin’ sonofabitch and receive yir sintince. When yah came to Hinsdale County, there was siven Dimmycrats. But you, yah et five of ‘em, goddam yah. I sintince yah t’ be hanged by th’ neck ontil yer dead, dead, dead, as a warnin’ ag’in reducin’ th’ Dimmycratic populayshun of this county. Packer, you Republican cannibal, I would sintince ya ta hell but the statutes forbid it.


18 posted on 11/13/2012 12:12:31 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: freedumb2003
Getting ready for a Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome OTOH: probably low to zero ROI.

Anyone that thinks serious preppers are getting ready for Thunderdome, asteroid strike, or Yellowstone going off has emotional issues with preppers.

Preparing for a complete collapse of government and infrastruction... as the 20th century taught anyone awake, is probably not a bad idea, that scenario has happened with disturbing regularity all around the world, and always caused by governments.

/johnny

19 posted on 11/13/2012 12:13:19 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

Getting serious about prepping is overwhelming at first so this helps. Thanks!


20 posted on 11/13/2012 12:15:45 PM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: Kartographer
Thank you for the posts! I've learned a great deal from them.

The derecho that hit Ohio on June 29th left us without power for four days and neighbors nearby in the dark for almost two weeks. Fortunately, we still had water and sewer service, and we could drive about an hour to reach gas supplies, but having a generator and some supplies on hand made things much easier. We were "lucky" - temperatures were close to 100 degrees each day, so we didn't have to worry about the cold.

Since we're in a prepping thread, a question - what is the best method for siphoning gasoline from cars (my cars, not the neighbors) without having to taste gas? :)

21 posted on 11/13/2012 12:15:48 PM PST by TonyInOhio
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To: Kartographer

This is excellent! There is so much prepper information available, and it’s all different. What one person forgets to include, the next guy remembers.


22 posted on 11/13/2012 12:20:19 PM PST by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: JRandomFreeper

>>Preparing for a complete collapse of government and infrastruction... as the 20th century taught anyone awake, is probably not a bad idea,<<

That is essentially what the Mad Max scenario is. (possible tread drift: why in the heck did they remake Red Dawn? The first one made its point most excellently!)

How did you fare with Sandy? Were you hit hard? How did your Prep come into play (whether you ramped up to TSHTF level or a more realistic scenario...)

I think anecdotes of how it worked out (for example, I used my camp stove for 4 days after the Northridge quake when I had electricity but not gas — and I had beer — LOTS of beer) would be helpful for people who peruse the prepper threads.


23 posted on 11/13/2012 12:23:49 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: TonyInOhio

Stewart recommends surgical tubing, if you can’t use the tubing from your water purification unit. You can use it for a tourniquet too, and other uses, I forget them.
Since you can see through it, just stop sucking when you see fuel an inch from your nose. You could carry a rubber squeeze bulb, that would be a luxury item and in your BOB, every ounce matters. Personally I love the taste of gasoline in the morning, and belching flame.


24 posted on 11/13/2012 12:25:54 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: tumblindice

>>Gee, I dunno. You may be tasty but I doubt you’d be here if you were a dimmycrat.<<

Everyone knows we Conservatives taste like the babies we eat and bile!

(that will ALSO be my story when TSHTF)


25 posted on 11/13/2012 12:27:16 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: TonyInOhio

>>Since we’re in a prepping thread, a question - what is the best method for siphoning gasoline from cars (my cars, not the neighbors) without having to taste gas? :) <<

Have your kids do it.

Or my ex-wife (the only thing she was good at).


26 posted on 11/13/2012 12:29:43 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: freedumb2003; Kartographer; JRandomFreeper; All
Kart said: “Yes, both JRandomFreeper and Marcella also received Kudos both in thread post and FReep mails. And all three of us also received anti-prepper posts during Sandy. Seems you either help or stand around and bitch about others and the situation. And even on FR you will find some who would rather bitch than help.”

freedumb said: “I am always honest: I think WTSHTF is twaddle but preparing for emergencies is what any smart person should do.”

It is the definition of “emergencies” freedum mentioned that determines a person's level of preparedness.

When instructing in preparedness in articles I write on Survival Podcast, I first ask people to define what their risks are living where they are. That is survival of whatever could happen in your region. Prepare for that first, then consider what other “emergencies” might befall you considering regions farther away from you.

I consider an EMP FROM THE SUN as a definite possibility because the sun throws off these blasts of energy all the time but there is a time sequence of these events - as in, 2013 is at the time of very high energy blasts.

When these blasts happen, they are set on their course in a straight line from whence they came and they don't deviate from that definite course/direction. If it leaves the sun headed in the direction of earth, it is definitely coming here. Do I know for sure a mega blast will happen next year - no, but I want insurance that I will be okay if it happens. I can't do anything about it AFTER it happens.

Look at the northeast right now - still thousands with no power, no car, no food, no water but they still have their house - if they had stored water and food they would be in good shape. Those with no house are in worse shape. Having a supply of cash is vital if the house is gone. It takes cash to be able to get out of there to have a place to stay unless you want to be in a tent with guards watching your every move and having to show your ID to go to the potty.

If I had lived that close to that huge body of water, I would have left before the storm hit with my car stuffed with provisions. Right now, if I had to leave this house fast, I have two backpacks, one in the car right now, and another in the house with another bag on wheels stuffed with provisions and I don't live near water.

You see, one time I had to leave here fast and I couldn't leave fast - I wasn't prepared to do that. I said that would never happen to me again.

Well, this post is getting long, and I'll finish by saying make sure you have water, food, a safe place, and security INSURANCE. Every penny you put into preps is more INSURANCE to save your life and that of your family. Do I believe the government will save me - not one freaking bit.

27 posted on 11/13/2012 12:29:48 PM PST by Marcella ("When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: freedumb2003
Looking at the number of failed governments, government collapses, number of people murdered by governments, etc... in the 20th century, I'm sure that hundereds of millions thought the S had well and truly HTF.

History is our guide if we pay attention.

/johnny

28 posted on 11/13/2012 12:34:23 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: MissMagnolia; Kartographer; Marcella

>>Getting serious about prepping is overwhelming at first so this helps. Thanks!<<

Marcella’s post downthread is good advice: think about probable scenarios for your area (it used be earthquakes when I was in So. Cal. now it is tornadoes in North Dallas).

Remember to take small but important steps. Potable water, batteries, waterproof matches, canned goods, etc. can all be picked up on your next trip to Costco or Sam’s Club — other than the matches you probably buy these anyway so just double up.

Don’t let my teasing of Kart throw you (but you can probably hold off on the chickens and goats if you live in an apartment) — a lot of these ideas are cheap and easy (also like my ex-wife). And useful (NOT like my ex-wife).


29 posted on 11/13/2012 12:36:32 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

101. Bible


30 posted on 11/13/2012 12:39:20 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: freedumb2003

The problem is not so much TEOTWAWKI, but being prepared for disaster clusters. Many times one disaster can make one vulnerable to a secondary disaster , one that you may have even been easily able to handle if not for the primary disaster. This is exactly what happened with Sandy and the Northeaster. Think a earthquake on the New Madrid during a server winter storm.


31 posted on 11/13/2012 12:41:17 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: freedumb2003

I was nine years old, sitting around a summer campfire as the other guys cooked savory hotdogs on sharpened sticks, eating my cold peanut butter and jelly sandwich that my Mommy had made for me.
On that evening I unstuck my tongue from the roof of my mouth under a blanket of stars, and I promised myself (cue violins) `As God is my witness, I’ll never go hungry again.”
Be prepared.


32 posted on 11/13/2012 12:50:48 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: tumblindice
Thanks for the tip

Personally I love the taste of gasoline in the morning, and belching flame.

and for the visual. :)

33 posted on 11/13/2012 12:50:48 PM PST by TonyInOhio
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To: TonyInOhio

semper paratus


34 posted on 11/13/2012 12:52:37 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

The USA is sui generis — we may stumble but we won’t fall in the way you are thinking.

If the fighting didn’t start last Wednesday it never will. We will be like the proverbial “boiled frog.” Liberty will die by a thousand cuts — your kids or grandkids will one day look around and ask “WHAT HAPPENED? WHERE DID MY FREEDOM GO?”


35 posted on 11/13/2012 12:54:03 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: concerned about politics
Cob (clay, sand, and hay) will make a workable oven

I've been building a mud brick oven (New Mexico style). I'll be done with it sometime in spring.

Has nothing to do with survival, I just miss cooking bread and pizzas in a wood fired oven, and quality of that bread.

/johnny

36 posted on 11/13/2012 12:54:09 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: freedumb2003
Yeah, it could never happen here. Again, like it did in mid 1860s, when several US cities were razed to the ground, and hundreds of thousands killed.

You prep the way you wanna prep, I'll prep my way. I'm more focused on really having skillsets, and experience than having 'stuff'.

Stuff is nice to have, and I've certainly got a lot, but the skillsets, and experince with them, are more important to me.

/johnny

37 posted on 11/13/2012 1:05:16 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But there is no luxury in war quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold.

Collect and save old telephone books to substitute for TP after the good stuff is used up.


38 posted on 11/13/2012 1:05:16 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Strange how paranoia can link up with reality now and then." -- Philip K. Dick)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Has nothing to do with survival, I just miss cooking bread and pizzas in a wood fired oven, and quality of that bread.

Yep. Yummy. I make a great sourdough rustic.

Once you know how to do it, a make shift oven or rocket stove can be pulled together just about anywhere with clay in an emergency.

39 posted on 11/13/2012 1:06:17 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Kartographer

>>The problem is not so much TEOTWAWKI<<

I agree. Which is why I jump on these threads (although getting you POd is a big bonus;) )

And I hate you for making me Google and decipher “TEOTWAWKI.” Can’t we just shorthand it to REM?

;)


40 posted on 11/13/2012 1:06:31 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: JRandomFreeper; Kartographer; freedom2003; All
freedom you said: “JRF and Marcella, can you post or link to your experiences?”
You can get to my articles that cover this at:
http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=24168.0

Johnny has made post after post about actually surviving on a mountain using his skills to feed himself, build a dwelling, etc. He is the best, I think, at surviving “in the wilderness” as he has done it for a long period of time. With each post, he reminds us it is a hard life to live that way. If you had nothing but Johnny with you in a wilderness situation, and he had nothing, either, you would live due to his great knowledge and expertise.

Thanks to Kartographer and his excellent material, we have access to the knowledge he has. Kart will make it in excellent style and safety and one wouldn't have to worry about living and surviving with him around.

Johnny, you said: “Preparing for a complete collapse of government and infrastruction... as the 20th century taught anyone awake, is probably not a bad idea, that scenario has happened with disturbing regularity all around the world, and always caused by governments.”

Yes, I think the country is going down fast and think an economic collapse is coming soon. I talked about the solar flare (EMP) because that high flare time period is next year. I don't know how long it will take for an economic collapse to happen, but I know this: When trucks stop, whatever makes them stop (economic collapse, sun flare, etc.), means no power, no water and no food.

Our life depends on trucks - when you see a big truck loaded with food going to a grocery, consider your life depends on that truck - do you trust that truck to always be there? No. I trust the food stored in my house to be there - not that truck. I trust the provisions I made to have good water much more than I trust the faucet to have water.

Several weeks ago, there was a notice on my door - the city water company was shutting off the water for 6 hours for repairs. Did I care? No, I have plenty of water at my fingertips and always will have.

To the person who said starting to prep is overwhelming, if you go to my articles, I designed that to start a person prepping from the beginning so the overwhelming aspect would be less. There is also some humor there so you can laugh as you go along, which helps diffuse the anxiety of beginning to prep.

41 posted on 11/13/2012 1:07:17 PM PST by Marcella ("When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Stuff is nice to have, and I've certainly got a lot, but the skillsets, and experince with them, are more important to me.

Absolutely. Sh*t can be stolen or confiscated - knowledge and abilities can't.

42 posted on 11/13/2012 1:09:32 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: freedumb2003

Actually, I’m lobbying for chickens ..... we have plenty of room for them. Love goats, but we’d have to do some fence repair ..... just for kicks, take a look at the pregnant goat at this link (poor thing, but I had to laugh): http://chickensintheroad.com/barn/the-big-question/


43 posted on 11/13/2012 1:11:21 PM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: freedumb2003
If the fighting didn’t start last Wednesday it never will. We will be like the proverbial “boiled frog.” Liberty will die by a thousand cuts — your kids or grandkids will one day look around and ask “WHAT HAPPENED? WHERE DID MY FREEDOM GO?”

Nah, it'll be like in the Star Wars movie when Padmé says, "So this is how liberty dies: With thunderous applause."

44 posted on 11/13/2012 1:11:56 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: concerned about politics
I've cooked for hundreds of my dearest friends (and a few officers were at the meals, too) in the field over field expedient gear. I'm sure I'll manage the cooking part. ;)

/johnny

45 posted on 11/13/2012 1:12:33 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper; Kartographer

>>You prep the way you wanna prep, I’ll prep my way. I’m more focused on really having skillsets, and experience than having ‘stuff’.

Stuff is nice to have, and I’ve certainly got a lot, but the skillsets, and experince with them, are more important to me.<<

Which is why I added the Boy Scout Manual to Kartographer’s excellent (if partially impractical) list.

I think we are seeing the “end” differently. Natural disaster, heck yeah. Man-made TSHTF — not noticed until it is too late.

Smarts make stuff. Stuff is just stuff. I am really glad when I was a kid I taught myself electricity, plumbing, carpentry, auto mechanics, etc. I was a young “Mr. Fix It” and those skills served me through all the earthquakes: Not just the knowledge but the improvisation thinking that backs them up.


46 posted on 11/13/2012 1:12:37 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: metmom

>>Nah, it’ll be like in the Star Wars movie when Padmé says, “So this is how liberty dies: With thunderous applause.<<

A most excellent observation. In 2008 they applauded and last Wednesday they applauded.

But insurrection has not happened and it probably won’t. Sadly, TS won’t HTF.


47 posted on 11/13/2012 1:15:32 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I'm sure I'll manage the cooking part. ;)

Heinleinian, eh?

I'm on my way -- what's for dinner???

;)

48 posted on 11/13/2012 1:17:35 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: Kartographer

I have yet to see anyone mention a ‘blackout room or rooms’ for your house. If you use a coleman lantern inside when the power has been down for any length of time, it is very noticeable from outside and from a long way away. To counter this and allow you to have a brightly lite room inside where you can have even rudimentary comforts like readsing at night, figure out how to ‘black out’ the windows and glass panes on doors, so that a central area inside is not going to allow light out for tipping off roamers looking for that one lite house among a neighborhood of darkened dwellings. Duct tap and layers of tarps works. If there are spare blankets which can be hung over the tarps or black plastic bags taped to windows from the inside, this is a bonus because it airs the blankets when hung up.


49 posted on 11/13/2012 1:17:38 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: freedumb2003

My teenaged kids saw the connection between that and our country when the movie first came out.

One of my first indications that I did something right raising them and they were going to be turning out alright.


50 posted on 11/13/2012 1:18:33 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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