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The Black Friday Death Spiral for Retailers
Minyanville ^ | Nov 20, 2012 | Carol Kopp

Posted on 11/21/2012 5:40:34 AM PST by ExxonPatrolUs

Retailers -- Web-based and real-world -- have trained consumers to demand a bargain, and now they're living with the results.

MINYANVILLE ORIGINAL A couple of guys are camped out in the parking lot of a mall outside Pittsburgh, having arrived last Friday in order to be first in line when Best Buy (NYSE:BBY) opens its doors for Black Friday sales. They had hoped to set a nationwide record, but have since learned that some people showed up even earlier at one of the stores in California. They feel that this is cheating, since winter camping is a lot easier on California’s early-bird shoppers.

They have clearly bought into the concept of Black Friday as a competitive sport, but it’s worth asking exactly what Best Buy or any other retailer hopes to get out of the ever-spiraling competition for Black Friday sales. By the way, those “Black Friday” sales started on Monday, Nov. 19, on the Web, and in the real world will begin as early as 8 p.m. on Thanksgiving Day.

After four dismal years of recession, a number of prognosticators have at least a modest degree of optimism about the holiday season ahead. But one reason expectations are modest is that retailers have conditioned consumers to respond to deals. Few will respond as enthusiastically as those guys camping out in Pittsburgh, but we sure have gotten the message that full retail is for suckers.

(Excerpt) Read more at minyanville.com ...


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To: oh8eleven

Good point. I guess it is just my own personal bias on behalf of my relatives. I don’t have problem celebrating Veterans Day with the living, but a thought, a prayer and a toast to the deceased should also be in order. Thank you for your service.


21 posted on 11/21/2012 7:54:20 AM PST by knife6375 (US Navy Veteran)
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To: knife6375
Thank you for your service.
You too. Enjoy tomorrow.
22 posted on 11/21/2012 8:03:59 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

Your post bothers me at the end. I advocate for freedom, not an oppressive government that could force stores to stay closed.


23 posted on 11/21/2012 8:06:36 AM PST by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: rarestia
I watch movies like “A Christmas Story” and think of how great things must’ve been back then, how simple. It wasn’t a competition for who could spend the most or buy the most elaborate gift. It was a time to enjoy family and celebrate Christ’s birth

And if you needed to go out for Christmas dinner, there was always a Chinese restaurant nearby. ;)

24 posted on 11/21/2012 8:09:20 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

It used to be the bargains were loss leaders, you drew them in for one thing really cheap and they’d buy other stuff. Now in the internet age people look up their prices before hand, they buy the other stuff as a bargain somewhere else. Lazy people like me seem to be the only ones keeping retail going, I refuse to work harder spending my money than I did making it, and in the software industry I don’t work that hard making it.


25 posted on 11/21/2012 8:10:20 AM PST by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: oh8eleven

“But what I’m seeing (and disliking) more and more, is Veteran’s Day being “celebrated” as the somber, dark day of mourning complete with Taps, wreath laying and sad speeches.
... I always thought Veterans Day was more to honor the living vets, and Memorial Day was to honor the dead. “

Glad I am not the only one who has noticed this.

You are correct, 100%.


26 posted on 11/21/2012 8:38:18 AM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Codeflier
I advocate for freedom, not an oppressive government that could force stores to stay closed.
What about a government that extorts other behaviors like the 55mph speed limit? You're okay with that?
How about laws that control liquor stores and bars on Election Day or Sundays. That's okay?
27 posted on 11/21/2012 9:46:23 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Nik Naym
Glad I am not the only one who has noticed this. You are correct, 100%.
Actually I'm the one's who's glad not to be alone.
While protesting my town's habit of conveniently holding weekend Vet's Day celebrations on Fridays (sure don't want to spoil anyone's weekend), I've also gotten in my 2 cents with regard to the tone.
Might as well be talking to the Unknown Soldier ... but I still nag them every year.
28 posted on 11/21/2012 9:57:21 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: rarestia

At some point the public will become so oversaturated that the entire meaning of Christmas and the season will be lost to commercial interests


That happened a long time ago for most Americans of Christian heritage. The loss of the free, ethical and good aspects of American culture have been erased and replaced by humanism - self serving materialism. It’s like a machine culture.


29 posted on 11/21/2012 10:57:05 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: oh8eleven

Speed limits ok as long as done at local level. Store hours -never.


30 posted on 11/21/2012 5:05:35 PM PST by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: Codeflier
Speed limits ok as long as done at local level.
Local level? Where the hell have you been for 40 years?
55 mph was forced onto states by Feds via extortion in 70s... you don't go 55, you don't get Fed highway dollars.
And if the Feds can shutdown car dealerships, why can't they "ask" stores to close for a couple of hours to honor the dead?
31 posted on 11/21/2012 5:22:05 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: rarestia
I watch movies like “A Christmas Story” and think of how great things must’ve been back then, how simple. It wasn’t a competition for who could spend the most or buy the most elaborate gift. It was a time to enjoy family and celebrate Christ’s birth.

Families can still do this; it only takes a little effort.

32 posted on 11/21/2012 8:09:24 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Camping out on a sidewalk for days, fighting each other, going for days without sleep. If only they put this much effort into finding a job.


33 posted on 11/22/2012 8:51:30 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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