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Red Dawn AAR (WARNING: SPOLIERS!)
Self/AMC Theaters | 22 NOV 2012 | Old Sarge

Posted on 11/22/2012 4:25:01 PM PST by Old Sarge

Okay, Folks, I took The Bride to see the late screening of "Red Dawn" last night.

WARNING: SPOILERS!!!

The theater was barely half-full, lots of inconsiderate people who kept their cel phones on until the last possible second.

During the first two minutes of the film, the story flashed many current events showing how the world was collapsing. One of the flash images was the current _Resident of the White House speaking about cyber-threats. One of the youths in the audience at the sight of Dear Leader squealed out, "Obamaaaaa!!"

The graphics and the sets and effects were superb. But the story line (North Korea invading the pacific NW? Riiight...) left a little to be desired. They had the Russians invading the eastern seaboard, but there was no mention of the brown hordes coming over the southern border this time; only that the Texas border was burning.

Rather than a shot-down Air Force pilot this time, they had three Marines link up with the Wolverines; one was a bearded Sergeant-Major, another a jingo-spouting badass. The third is the token Asian techie.

The Wolverines themselves were updated to reflect PC sensibilities; two Hispanics and a black kid round out the gang. As for their fates, Jed buys it like in the original, but Mattie, who is now a hot-dogging high-school quarterback who gets his buddies killed, transforms into the new leader of the Wolverines after Jed's demise.

The improvised tech the movie uses is updated for our modern age. Cel phones detonate IED's, and phone cameras are used to gather intel. Most weapons were gleaned off the enemy dead, including C-4. An enemy EMP burst takes out the grid before the invasion, and the Wolverines/Marines fight to steal one of the enemy's hardened comms packages.

As the credits rolled, the theater, unexpectedly, broke into applause.

Overall, we thought that Red Dawn 2012 had high and low points, but it's still a worthy successor to Red Dawn 1984.


TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Chit/Chat; Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: hollywood; movie; moviereview; reddawn; vanity
If anyone else has seen this movie, have at it with your thoughts!
1 posted on 11/22/2012 4:25:07 PM PST by Old Sarge
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To: Kartographer; blam; The Duke; WakeUpAndVote; JRandomFreeper; Bride Of Old Sarge; ChocChipCookie; ...

Prepper PING!


2 posted on 11/22/2012 4:26:30 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Old Sarge

Gez thanks.guess I dont need to go now


3 posted on 11/22/2012 4:27:57 PM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Old Sarge

I read this whole thing, and now the movie is spoiled for me. Why didn’t you warn us in the title?


4 posted on 11/22/2012 4:30:38 PM PST by Lazamataz (Islam is a religious form of Nazism.)
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To: Old Sarge; POWERSBOOTHEFAN

No Powers Boothe?

:(


5 posted on 11/22/2012 4:31:11 PM PST by Salamander (If animals could speak, mankind would weep. Anthony Douglas Williams)
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To: Lazamataz

Blame the keyboard for the typo...


6 posted on 11/22/2012 4:32:26 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Old Sarge
'Red Dawn' Review: Invasion Remake Avoids P.C. Pitfalls
The Cold War is over. So is the era of unapologetic alpha male action movies. Don't tell the folks behind "Red Dawn."

The film, a remake of the 1984 cult hit, sticks closely to the original formula of courageous kids, evil invaders and, of course, the battle cry which echoed throughout the decade.

"Woooolverines!"

Does it matter that the invading force this time around hails from North Korea and not the Soviet Union? Well, yeah. There's plenty in the new "Dawn" that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Where "Red Dawn" rules is in its bone simple scenario. America is invaded. Time to fight for our liberty. Again.


7 posted on 11/22/2012 4:33:07 PM PST by Bratch
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To: Old Sarge

‘One of the youths in the audience at the sight of Dear Leader squealed out, “Obamaaaaa!!”’

Chris Matthews was at your movie theater getting another tingle up his leg???


8 posted on 11/22/2012 4:34:27 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Bratch

this time were invaded from with in


9 posted on 11/22/2012 4:38:51 PM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Jack Hydrazine

His shoe is probably still stuck to the theater floor. Yuk.


10 posted on 11/22/2012 4:40:50 PM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I occasionally bleat out “obama” when a picture off dear leader is shown....

But I emphasize the “BA” in Obama, so it sounds like a sheep bleating out of sarcasm...

O-Baaaaaaa-ma.....

Just to poud it into all of those within earshot that I am mocking Obama worship.


11 posted on 11/22/2012 4:45:31 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Old Sarge

How can cell phones be used as a detonator if the grid is fried??


12 posted on 11/22/2012 4:45:31 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Old Sarge

“Jericho” was better, and more likely.


13 posted on 11/22/2012 4:45:48 PM PST by ExGeeEye (I'll give y'all 90 days for the wounds to heal; then we start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: Old Sarge

I saw the original Red Dawn on Martha’s Vinyard in 1984. I clapped while the rest of the audience left in sullen silence. =) Good times.


14 posted on 11/22/2012 4:45:57 PM PST by y6162
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To: Old Sarge

Wolverines how apt as the film was filmed in Michigan. ( I saw the original movie and if I remember right they too called themselves wolverines) - because they hide undergound and strike and move hide undergorund and strike again. Michigan taxpayers contributed 14 million dollars on this film.


15 posted on 11/22/2012 4:52:10 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: GraceG

ROFLMAO!!!! I’m gonna try that next time! ;)


16 posted on 11/22/2012 4:53:15 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Old Sarge

Unless Korea wins we already know the ending.

This movie did NOT need to be made. There are only 2 reasons to remake a movie:

1) The original was a good idea badly made
2) Hollywood has no new ideas

The original was a good idea very well made. That leaves...?


17 posted on 11/22/2012 4:58:27 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: t1b8zs

Ohe thing mentioned in the is that most of the red states were not overtaken and still USA.


18 posted on 11/22/2012 5:09:40 PM PST by scbison
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To: ExGeeEye

The Mouse That Roared was more likely.


19 posted on 11/22/2012 5:19:18 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: hondact200

i believe in the original they called themselves the wolverines because that was the name of their football team. they were kids after all.


20 posted on 11/22/2012 5:28:15 PM PST by annelizly
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To: hondact200

i believe in the original they called themselves the wolverines because that was the name of their football team. they were kids after all.


21 posted on 11/22/2012 5:28:37 PM PST by annelizly
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To: Old Sarge
North Korea...

22 posted on 11/22/2012 5:36:09 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: GraceG

When I see a pic of der leader, I usually mutter a simple “Azzhole” pretty loudly...makes the point effectively.


23 posted on 11/22/2012 5:51:04 PM PST by Adder (Holy Crap! Now what?)
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To: Chode

NORKS need not invade the Pacific Northwest. They are already run by Commies.

The Pacific Northwest are not full Commie yet and can still buy food.


24 posted on 11/22/2012 6:02:10 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Adder
“Azzhole”
25 posted on 11/22/2012 6:03:11 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: hondact200

Michigan taxpayers contributed 14 million dollars on this film.
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On an earlier FR posting (maybe Wednesday), it was reported that the film makers and actors spent $44M+ in MI and were then given back something like $16M. Net gain to MI for giving the film makers the enticement to film there.


26 posted on 11/22/2012 6:07:03 PM PST by octex
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To: freedumb2003

The original was a good idea very well made. That leaves...?
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I’ll take #2 for $300, Alex.

Just imagine them trying to remake Gone With The Wind or Songs of the South today.......


27 posted on 11/22/2012 6:12:52 PM PST by octex
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To: Old Sarge

I heard that it was originally going be the Chinese invading, but it stirred feathers so they changed it to be PC. And now it is obviously absurd. I can’t enjoy a movie with a ridiculous plot.


28 posted on 11/22/2012 6:34:07 PM PST by Revel
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To: Texas Fossil
yeah, ChiComs...
29 posted on 11/22/2012 6:41:16 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Old Sarge

The original had two interesting characters that would be harder to find in a bizarre, isolated, sci-fi type nation’s army like North Korea is.

The Cuban Paratroop leader was very cool, and a positive portrayal of elite military commanders, and so was the hunter killer Russian, did this movie have any interesting north Koreans?


30 posted on 11/22/2012 7:28:49 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Old Sarge

Is the chair still against the wall?


31 posted on 11/22/2012 8:19:51 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: atomic_dog

Ha!!!:-)


32 posted on 11/22/2012 9:00:27 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt.)
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To: Conservative4Ever

OP: thanks for the cliff note on W2012.

signed

John Galt


33 posted on 11/22/2012 9:19:12 PM PST by bicyclerepair ( >-> Zombies eat brains. >-> 50% of FL is safe.)
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To: Chode
North Korea...

Who knows - another term or three with Demo-marxists at the helm to "fundamentally transform Amerika" and we may be so disarmed and controlled that they'll just let them have their way with little or no means (or desire) left to resist.

34 posted on 11/22/2012 9:26:05 PM PST by MCH
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To: atomic_dog

“Is the chair still against the wall?”

Does ‘John still have a long moustache’?


35 posted on 11/22/2012 9:34:42 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: Chode

More than likely muslims but hollywood is full of cowards and pervs...


36 posted on 11/22/2012 10:59:08 PM PST by goat granny
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To: octex

>>Just imagine them trying to remake Gone With The Wind or Songs of the South today.......<<

I think the only way to buy the ORIGINAL Songs of the South is to buy from some guy in a hoodie in a back alley.


37 posted on 11/23/2012 4:44:33 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: goat granny
100%, thank you...
38 posted on 11/23/2012 5:56:13 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: MCH

39 posted on 11/23/2012 5:59:15 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Old Sarge

I saw it. The original is WAY better, don’t waste your money on this colossal flop soon to be on DVD at bargain prices. The only believable part was the setting, E WA. Most flicks of this genre take place in a gun free zone like CA or MA.

As an interesting aside the lead in showed Barry Soetoro as pres yapping about national security this and that. Yet, once the ‘festivities’ started nothing more was heard from him. It almost makes one think he was sidelined or enabled the invasion by way of omission. Either way that bit was believable.

I think a more believable scenario is not one of foreign invaders but our own govt being the armed aggressor.


40 posted on 11/23/2012 6:07:39 AM PST by 556x45
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To: atomic_dog

Yep, the chair was still against the wall.

But the DJ on Radio Free America gave a shout-out to the Wolverines - he played CCR...


41 posted on 11/23/2012 8:35:05 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: ansel12

The personal antagonist was “Captain Cho”, a minor functionary. Jed and Matt watched as Cho blew their father away, so it got personal.

There was a cameo appearence of a Russian Spetznaz officer, but we only saw him twice.

Mustn’t offend the enemy, you know...


42 posted on 11/23/2012 8:38:02 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Lazamataz; Old Sarge

So it was the spoliers that saved the day? I figured it was the archers or the lancers, but that makes sense now.


43 posted on 11/23/2012 8:44:49 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Old Sarge

Thanks, that is too bad, in the old one the officers mentioned, added much to the overall complexity and depth of the movie and the background of, and the reason for the movie.

People forget that under that flag waving shoot-em up genre of the original, this was the real situation of the time, a true, life and death situation, that we all lived in true and justified fear of.

Thank God for Ronald Reagan.


44 posted on 11/23/2012 9:54:19 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Revel
I heard that it was originally going be the Chinese invading, but it stirred feathers so they changed it to be PC. And now it is obviously absurd. I can’t enjoy a movie with a ridiculous plot.

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The entire concept, starting with the original, was absurd. The same is true of nearly every film these days. You don't go to the movies for realism, you turn on the Military Channel.

And, the fact is that although China is the second largest market for American films, there is a strict quota in place and this film will probaly not even be distributed theatrically there.

45 posted on 11/23/2012 10:10:00 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

The Chinese were the good guys in the first one.


46 posted on 11/23/2012 10:14:45 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Check out Aussie made “Tomorrow, When the War Began” (2011) for a much better re-make of the original concept...not better than the original...it’s hard to beat John Milius...better than the official remake.


47 posted on 11/23/2012 10:18:20 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: octex; hondact200
I am a consultant on US and International film incentives. The Michigan incentive is one of the richest anywhere, surpassed only by Singapore (40% Cash Rebate) and a few others with stricter rules. Louisiana is also very attractive.

The original CAVCO system in Canada is still strong if the minimum requirements for "Canadian Content" are met. A CC deal, if structured to fit into every possible incentive slot, can deliver 52% of the cost in TCs. These credits need to be monetized though and usually net about 90-95%.

Puerto Rico has a generous Cash Rebate too but it is limited in such a way that it only makes sense to shoot low budget projects there, and it does not encompass salaries of non-PR residents.

The Michigan deal has been very successful in meeting its stated goals...to create a well-trained film production talent pool (BTL) and to support maintenance and growth of production infra-structure.

In the 2009/10/11 period there were about 120 features shot in Michigan. In the 1999/2000/2001 period there were fewer than twenty.

That's a lot of money into Michigan that could just as easily have gone to Vancouver or Toronto or Rumania or Bulgaria or Texas or New Mexico...

48 posted on 11/23/2012 10:32:53 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Old Sarge
The original was low-budget, hokey, contrived and defiant with amateur special effects and low production values and I loved it.

The remake is higher-budget, hokey, contrived and defiant with much better special effects and higher production values and I loved it.

And spoilers? Everybody knows that the enemy was going to be the Chinese but they changed it for political-correctness, but who cares? It's a contrived plot anyway. The remake is faithful to the spirit of the original.

Fact is, the real Red Dawn has already happened, and he is living in the White Hut.

We can only wish for a parachuting invader so everybody knows who the enemy is.

49 posted on 11/23/2012 11:34:59 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Labor unions are the Communist Party of the USA.)
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To: dfwgator
The Chinese were the good guys in the first one.

In the same way the Russians were in WW-II. Enemy of my enemy sort of thing.

50 posted on 11/23/2012 3:51:05 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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