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Continued: Little Falls teen shooting deaths called 'cold-blooded’
Star Tribune ^ | November 27, 2012 | Kurt Brown

Posted on 11/27/2012 7:59:37 AM PST by Uncle Chip

LITTLE FALLS, MINN. - Insisting the case crosses the line from self-defense to a cold-blooded double execution, Morrison County authorities filed second-degree murder charges Monday against a 64-year-old man who killed two teenage cousins after they'd broken into his home on Thanksgiving.

This woodsy central Minnesota town of 8,000 was jolted as the gruesome details spilled out in a criminal complaint, alleging Byron David Smith put a handgun under the chin of wounded and gasping 18-year-old Haile Kifer for what he told police was a "good clean finishing shot."

Smith, who according to a friend and a relative had endured previous break-ins, sat shackled in an orange jail jumpsuit as County Attorney Brian Middendorf accused him of "cold-blooded murder of two teenagers under circumstances that are appalling and far beyond any self-defense claim."

Sheriff Michel Wetzel said Monday that he believes the teenagers were committing a burglary but said Smith's reaction went beyond legal protections of Minnesota law that allows crime victims to use reasonable force to protect themselves and their property during a felony.

"We understand and respect that right exists, but what happened in this case went further," Wetzel said. "The law doesn't permit you to execute somebody when there's no possible way the crime can continue."

And the law requires people to notify police, said Wetzel, who learned about the shooting from a neighbor the next day. The sheriff said the reason Smith gave for never calling police was "it was Thanksgiving and he didn't want to bother us on a holiday."

Hamline University School of Law professor Joseph Olson, who has studied self-defense laws, noted that the number of Smith's shots will make it difficult for him to claim self-defense in court.

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To: Uncle Chip
Who initiated the actions that ultimately led to these thieves dying?

Had they not broken in to his house, they'd still be alive.

I would have even no-billed Ed Gein under such circumstances.

21 posted on 11/27/2012 8:32:07 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: raybbr; DManA
Is that the guy who invented Limbergher cheese?

Don't be silly. He's the guy who flew over Atlanta.

22 posted on 11/27/2012 8:33:10 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: JimRed

Yup. Dead wholesome, live for the moment Yutes tell no tales.

Sounds like he was using .22 rimfire stuff. Undergunned I would speculate. Take a couple of .45 ACP’s and then let’s hear ya laugh.


23 posted on 11/27/2012 8:35:31 AM PST by technically right
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo; raybbr

http://www.moviesoundclips.net/download.php?id=1000&ft=wav


24 posted on 11/27/2012 8:35:50 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: raybbr
Is that the guy who invented Limbergher cheese?

He was known as "The Lone Beagle".

However, the shooter in this case is in serious trouble and from what I've read, rightly so. If it's true, a 'finishing shot' goes quite far beyond any reasonable definition of self-defense.

25 posted on 11/27/2012 8:36:21 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: DManA

Chuck actually didn’t make the first non-stop flight across the Atlantic. That was done by John Alcock and Arthur Whitten. The key word is “SOLO”.

Red Solo cup. I fill you up.


26 posted on 11/27/2012 8:36:54 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: pgkdan

So, what should have happened to the drug-addict thieves?

Tea and crumpets? Maybe a nice warm bath with some hot cocoa? Maybe they should have chosen a different home with an elderly guy that wasn’t armed that they could have beaten to death and THEN taken all his stuff...

Maybe that would have fit your delicate sensibilities better.


27 posted on 11/27/2012 8:37:46 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse

They were bringing him turkey dinner, glad tidings of great joy, and Skittles.


28 posted on 11/27/2012 8:41:38 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: bboop
Second degree murder at the worst. A third degree manslaughter charge is more likely to stick if the guy can successfully play the stress/temporary insanity card.

The guy would've gotten off without charge if the teens had been gunned down while breaking in. The fact that the guy had been robbed before and was under high stress will, I suspect, play a major role in his defense.

A kid I knew from my high school days once told me that he got an adrenaline rush by burgling homes. I told him he should take up a safer sport like alligator wrestling because he could end up dead. Unfortunately for him, that is exactly what happened not long afterward.

29 posted on 11/27/2012 8:41:47 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Uncle Chip

This reminds me of the case of the pharmacist who was being robbed a couple of years ago. He shot one of the robbers and put him down. He then slowly walked out from behind the counter, stood over the bleedindg, incapacitated man’s body and cooly emptied the rest of his gun’s magazine into the defensless man. It was all captured on security video. Needless to say, those prosecutor’s didn’t buy a self defense claim either.


30 posted on 11/27/2012 8:41:47 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Colonel_Flagg
However, the shooter in this case is in serious trouble and from what I've read,...

Yep. Minnesota has a long history of coddling criminals and punishing those who attempt to defend themselves. Especially if you do it "wrong". "Wrong" being whatever hyperbole and trial by public opinion/lynching the DA and the Red Star can drum up.

31 posted on 11/27/2012 8:42:22 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: TurboZamboni

In the basement he’d retreated to, after breaking in to his home, possibly after having robbed him before...

Yeah. Misunderstood carolers lured to their deaths by a criminal mastermind for sure...


32 posted on 11/27/2012 8:44:26 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Uncle Chip

It’s a case like this that the left will use to take the rights of responsible gun owners away.


33 posted on 11/27/2012 8:44:31 AM PST by Smittie
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To: DManA
The girl hears multiple gun shots in the basement. So what? She calmly walks down there to see what’s going on?

They came in through a bedroom window (presumably on the second floor). The shots were in the basement. It is conceivable that the sound was sufficiently muffled by distance and intervening ceilings that it didn't register to her that they were shots.

34 posted on 11/27/2012 8:44:53 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: JimRed

The guy is nuts.


35 posted on 11/27/2012 8:45:34 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Uncle Chip

Here’s a tip to the future Kifer’s of the world. Bad things can happen when you break the law.


36 posted on 11/27/2012 8:46:21 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: JimRed
Dollars to donuts she no longer looked pretty and fresh by the time of her demise, due to meth or other-drug-of-choice.

I think it was more than likely the gunshot under the chin that accomplished that.

Since they were both in high school, 17 and 18, there should be some recent school pictures. Actually these pictures of them look like they are about 17/18.

37 posted on 11/27/2012 8:46:21 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Smittie

They have no problem just making it up. “Truth” and “facts” are all relative for the hoplophobes and tyrant-wannabes.


38 posted on 11/27/2012 8:46:49 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Vigilanteman

sometimes, you can do BOTH:

“Alligators found at scene of suspected drug shooting “
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2963404/posts

“...at least they died doing what they loved.”


39 posted on 11/27/2012 8:48:41 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

He certainly was...

Should have never said anything to the police other than, “I retreated to the basement, I was in fear for my life, I will cooperate fully after I have talked with my lawyer...”


40 posted on 11/27/2012 8:49:32 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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