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Continued: Little Falls teen shooting deaths called 'cold-blooded’
Star Tribune ^ | November 27, 2012 | Kurt Brown

Posted on 11/27/2012 7:59:37 AM PST by Uncle Chip

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To: bboop
“They were such nice kids, everybody loved them, inseparable, yadayada.”

Yeah, they all say that about the deceased criminals. "He/She/They were getting was/were getting his/her/their life/lives together" is another one.

Of course, the cutest available images are used in the press.

101 posted on 11/27/2012 11:47:32 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: xp38
The subtext of your post is: "This torture and murder of a teenaged woman has a real funny side to it."
102 posted on 11/27/2012 11:50:47 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Make up your mind. “Torturing” her would have been to allow her to choke to death on her own blood.

Or are you just making crap up now...


103 posted on 11/27/2012 12:02:16 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: LadyBuck
You are correc in that standard self-defense doctrine is to aim for center mass.

However, he did not need to kill her at all, as it turned out.

According to his own statement, his initial center mass shot wounded and incapacitated her.

Not satisfied with eliminating the threat, he then chose to shoot her some more with a different weapon, and then he chose to execute her in cold blood some time after that.

If he had done the right thing, she might be in a prison hospital right now.

But because he chose evil, we will never know.

This is certain: her last moments on earth were a living hell. She was a human being. Someone's daughter.

104 posted on 11/27/2012 12:04:07 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
If he had done the right thing...

No. If SHE had done the right thing, she'd never have broken into his house with a lead pipe in the first place.

She is the instigator, anything that happened to her after that is her own damn fault.

105 posted on 11/27/2012 12:06:40 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Highly intelligent? Retired professional? No criminal history?

That would describe the BTK Killer as well, except that in his case he was just months from retirement.

Nor would it be an inaccurate description of Ted Kaczynski.

These attributes are not really probative of anything.

106 posted on 11/27/2012 12:12:06 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Dead Corpse

“...anything that happened to her after that is her own damn fault.”

Perhaps one can view it that way. Does it mean the old guy could have done “anything” and be innocent?


107 posted on 11/27/2012 12:13:11 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: Dead Corpse
“Torturing” her would have been to allow her to choke to death on her own blood.

Surely thou jest.

108 posted on 11/27/2012 12:18:54 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: wideawake

And you still miss the point...

Know what the difference between Ted/BTK and this guy is?

THIS GUY DIDN’T HUNT DOWN HIS VICTIMS.

He WAS the victim.


109 posted on 11/27/2012 12:20:17 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse
No. If SHE had done the right thing

In other words, the immoral actions of one person justify the immoral actions of another person.

Two wrongs make a right.

I disagree with this analysis.

He chose to do evil in response to her evil act when he could have done good.

He could have defended his home and then called an ambulance.

He instead chose to commit murder.

110 posted on 11/27/2012 12:20:24 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Just owning a firearm is an "immoral act" in the eyes of most gun grabbers.

Since you can't even grasp the concept of who initiated these events, please forgive us if your concept of what is "moral" is equally suspect.

111 posted on 11/27/2012 12:22:01 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse
THIS GUY DIDN’T HUNT DOWN HIS VICTIMS.

Correct.

The murder he committed was one of opportunity, not of careful planning.

He WAS the victim.p>Of the break-in, certainly.

But he was the perpetrator of the murder.

112 posted on 11/27/2012 12:23:44 PM PST by wideawake
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To: LadyBuck
Yeh -- their statements are almost as ridiculous as Smith's brother:

Byron Smith never called 911 but let the bodies lay in his home for just more than 24 hours while the teens' families tried to find them. Bruce Smith said his brother was distraught and didn't know what to do.

"Put yourself in his shoes after you shoot two people in your basement. How are you going to react?".

Really, Bruce. He called you and he called a neighbor and he ate Thanksgiving dinner while two people lay dead in his basement. And he didn't think to call the police??? and when you talked to him what did you tell him???

Bruce Smith said he believes his brother fired in self defense.

Really, Bruce, which of those 20 some shots were self-defense???? the two on the steps perhaps but the dozen or more while they lay there helpless. What exactly were they????

113 posted on 11/27/2012 12:27:55 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

The moral of this story is: Never ever try to rob Freddy Kruger.


114 posted on 11/27/2012 12:29:44 PM PST by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: wideawake

If by “murder” you mean he killed a couple of thieves that were breaking into his house, that is not in question.

If by “murder” you mean “psychopathic rage monster who eats kittens on the weekends” than you are no better than the liberals at the Strib.


115 posted on 11/27/2012 12:46:29 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
All he had to do was shoot, shovel and shut up and no one would ever have been the wiser.

Yep. And the Mississippi runs right past the house.

But he wanted to take credit for his work.

After the statement he gave, he's definitely toast! Insanity is an outside chance, but that's about it.

116 posted on 11/27/2012 12:52:33 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: DManA
A gun goes off in the basement the whole house rings.
117 posted on 11/27/2012 12:56:37 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Dead Corpse
Just owning a firearm is an "immoral act" in the eyes of most gun grabbers.

Yes, but they are demonstrably not rational individuals.

Since you can't even grasp the concept of who initiated these events, please forgive us if your concept of what is "moral" is equally suspect.

The question of who initiated the incident isn't a matter of dispute. The burglars/intruders obviously initiated the incident.

The issue is: how does a moral person respond to the provocation?

118 posted on 11/27/2012 12:56:59 PM PST by wideawake
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To: cynwoody

Depends. We only got part of the charges against him and snippets of what he might have told police.

Only three people know what happened for sure and only one of those is still capable of talking.


119 posted on 11/27/2012 12:58:46 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: wideawake
The issue is: how does a moral person respond to the provocation?

They shoot them and kill them. If you don't, then you are allowing them to victimize other people later.

Even under MN law, until the Dem legislature/Governor change it to match UK's idiotic laws, you have no duty to retreat from within your home.

If they run, you can't chase 'em. If they are outside, you can't shoot at 'em. Once they break in, you are within your Rights to kill them.

Advisable too as MN has a long history of people defending themselves and being sued into the poor house via civil suites from the criminal.

120 posted on 11/27/2012 1:03:05 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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