Posted on 12/10/2012 5:50:12 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
So, the mere appearance of the word “Rossi” makes all the other facts inadmissable?? That attitude sounds like pathological skepticism to me.
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Rossi’s work has been pushed on FR for years.
It has gone nowhere. About like BlackLight Power—which also has been making similar claims for years that somehow go nowhere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackLight_Power
"Im not interested in in depth discussion. Wont heat or cool my house."
Another term for "in depth discussion" is "thorough presentation of the scientific evidence". And this thread is about the science, not what you may or may not be interesed in, or what might heat or cool your house.
and protecting their government benefactors
So true!
Nobody has "pushed" Rossi's work on FR. A very few have had the unpardonable temerity to actually attempt to have a rational discussion of it based on the presented evidence. Which unleashed the wrath of the pathological skeptics for whom any discussion of Rossi (or for some, of LENR as a topic) is anathema.
This thread is not about Rossi. If you want to actually discuss the article or the science, stick around. If not, I suggest you not "click here".
I have always been pulling for cold fusion ever since Pons and Flieshchman announced. I bought the Wall Street Journal the next day to get the details. I am surprised the Israelis have not been more active in cold fusion. They need the energy, they have the scientists, plus successful cold fusion marginalizes Arabs/Muslims who only have oil/gas to sell the world
Japan has few oil/gas resources so they should have always been pushing harder for cold fusion development....But now they are getting there with some heavy hitters
Horse sh!t. You remind me of those people who thought that you could fill your gas tank with water and drop a pill into it and drive.
Anything that claims to generate nuclear reactions at chemical activation energy levels needs to be viewed with extreme scepticism.
“All of which is irrelevant to the FACT of replication, by solid researchers at world-class organizations.”
I am not a physicist but am pretty good at spotting poorly designed controls. I will have to look at their paper to see if anything stands out. Remember that when cold fusion was first reported it was replicated by scientists at some good schools, albeit probably grad students and not skeptical industrial scientists.
I agree it is very positive for the world, that real, transparent science is being practiced in this area, by well-established scientists with strong reputations. (like BNY Mellon and the stock certificates.)
As you are aware, that has little to do with the charade games played by Rossi. It is a shame that he was mentioned in the article. This article does not change one Iota of the possibility of fraudulent conduct on the part of Rossi.
This in itself is pretty old hat. I was running these just last week as a demonstration lab for undergraduate physics students, transforming aluminum into silicon using the thermal neutron-induced n-gamma reaction. Thermal neutron capture by 235U or 239Pu involves low-energy particles but it liberates tremendous amounts of energy.
I know you know that but a lot of people will be taken by the claim "without the use of high-energy nuclear physics". Laymen reading an article like this will be impressed by that statement in and of itself, when they probably should not be. I'm not disputing any of the claims of the people involved here as I have not looked into it too deeply, but I'm just saying throwing around buzzwords and technobabble probably doesn't help their case.
I’m not sure I understand this concept, but I’ve wondered why used radioactive rods had to be stored away. IMHO, it seems that still “radioactive” energy may still be useful.
No?
Humans with half a brain will take it seriously, just as soon as it PROVES itself. Until then, the proponents like those mentioned are just charlatans begging to steal other people's money.
The Wright brothers did not need "claims" and "donations" and "investments". They built a machine that could fly. Shut up, build a model that works and can be copied with equally positive results, and THEN we can celebrate their brilliance.
And if it isn't about taking money, then whining about needing people to believe in your ideas is the most childish kind of non-science.
However, once it has been "used up" (ie, it has changed to a new radioactive element after the heat-generating interaction with another element), the fact that they're radioactive does not help. In their new state, they don't help generate heat anymore. Therefore, they're useless as "nuclear fuel". Now they're just really interesting metals that also happen to be rather dangerous to most living things, due to that radioactivity.
(Warning: that is an over-simplified explanation, but hopefully it helps clarify the basics.)
I have my doubts IF LENR will ever work, but I also keep an open mind to the possibility that someone will discover the unobtainium element required to make it work.
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Not so. The work of Lysenko, the Russian biology fraud, was replicated many times by other self-serving Russian biologists.
This article is gibberish. The paragraphs appear to have been dropped in no particular order.
Yes, of course, the used rods can be re-processed, where it is legal.
As a matter of research for its own sake, cold fusion passes the test, anything beyond that is obsessive hope.
And it's chickens that roost, not ducks.
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