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Jenni Rivera plane nose-dived at 600 mph, Mexican official says
abc ^ | Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Posted on 12/12/2012 8:58:28 AM PST by BenLurkin

The small plane carrying Mexican-American music superstar Jenni Rivera plunged in a nose-dive from more than 28,000 feet and hit the ground at more than 600 mph, Mexico's top transportation official said.

Gerardo Ruiz Esparza, Mexico's secretary of communications and transportation, offered a Mexican radio station the first detailed accounts of the moments leading up to the crash that killed Rivera and six other people aboard the Learjet on Sunday.

The plane practically nose-dived," Ruiz told Radio Formulate. "The impact must have been terrible."

Ruiz said the 43-year-old aircraft hit the ground 1.2 miles from where it began falling and that it plummeted at a nearly 45-degree angle. The plane left Monterrey around 3:30 a.m. Sunday after a concert performance. According to authorities, controllers lost contact with the U.S.-registered plane about 10 minutes after takeoff.

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TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: jennirivera; mexicanamericans; ntsb; planecrash
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To: BenLurkin

Hope they had their seat belts on.


21 posted on 12/12/2012 9:13:32 AM PST by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: SkyDancer
reminds of that jet carrying that pro-golfer that went in up in the Dakotas some place

If we are thinking of the same crash, didn't they think everyone was dead on board before it crashed?

22 posted on 12/12/2012 9:16:41 AM PST by DManA
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To: BenLurkin

Just curious, and know nothing about aviation. But if the plane left the airport 10 minutes earlier and was just 60 miles from where it departed, how could it have been at 28,000 feet, traveling at 600 mph so soon? Do the small jets climb faster than commercial jets?


23 posted on 12/12/2012 9:17:33 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Unless the pilot was healthy and locked everyone out of the cockpit intentionally. Just speculating.

At 600mph, does the cockpit need to even be locked to keep anyone out? I doubt anyone is able to fight gravity and make it to the cockpit.

24 posted on 12/12/2012 9:18:40 AM PST by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: DManA

Yes, the plane lost pressure.


25 posted on 12/12/2012 9:20:19 AM PST by EEGator
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To: SkyDancer

I remember that. A fighter from Eglin AFB was already in the air and they directed it to check on the plane.

He flew beside it for a while and reported everyone seemed to be dead on it. I think it then flew for a long time before going in.


26 posted on 12/12/2012 9:20:48 AM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: BenLurkin

Fuel was my first thought, too.. But age might be factor. Does anyone know what would happen if most of the 6 on board suddenly moved to one end of the plane or the other? There’s no ‘gliding’ in a Lear Jet. They fall like a rock when they lose power, just like that F/A-18 over San Diego that landed on a house. I’d rather be in a Cessna or other old school ‘floater’.


27 posted on 12/12/2012 9:22:07 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

At that altitude, wouldn’t the Lear be cruising/autopilot?
& then to descend at that speed into nosedive? If engines were running, then what else might possibly be the cause?
Pure terror those last few minutes/seconds...


28 posted on 12/12/2012 9:22:34 AM PST by rainee (Her)
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To: EnquiringMind

Wow, just checked and the rate of climb for the Learjet 25 is 6050 ft/min! Could have easily been at 28000 feet in 10 minutes.


29 posted on 12/12/2012 9:23:09 AM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: DManA

Yes - plane ran out of fuel & crashed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash


30 posted on 12/12/2012 9:23:41 AM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

That is a myth, every aircraft that has not been structurally compromised, has a glide coefficient and minimum air speed to give a minimum decent rate. Now granted some have a better glide ratio than others BUT ALL AIRCRAFT CAN GLIDE. Now if a wing was ripped off than no gliding, just falling....


31 posted on 12/12/2012 9:26:09 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Natufian

Easy to say now, I know, but I think I’d opt for a couple nightmarish minutes over two-to-twenty in the nursing home.

Anyway God bless the victims and families.


32 posted on 12/12/2012 9:26:44 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: MissMagnolia

No way that was 13 years ago. Time has gone completely alinear for me.


33 posted on 12/12/2012 9:26:44 AM PST by DManA
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
There’s no ‘gliding’ in a Lear Jet. They fall like a rock when they lose power, just like that F/A-18 over San Diego that landed on a house. I’d rather be in a Cessna or other old school ‘floater’.

That is not correct, looked it up.

The best glide distance with engines windmilling is obtained with a clean airplane configuration and with a glide speed of 160 to 170 knots. At this speed, the Learjet 25 glides approximately 26 nautical miles for each 10000 feet of altitude loss. This is a glide ration of 16 to 1 and is based on a wings level glide with gear and flap up and a gross weight of 11000 to 12000 pounds.

34 posted on 12/12/2012 9:26:51 AM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: DManA

It was the Payne Stewart incident. Cabin lost pressure, knocking everyone unconscious. I believe the idea is everyone would have asphyxiated before the plane crashed.


35 posted on 12/12/2012 9:28:23 AM PST by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: BenLurkin

Was the pilot’s name Angel or Achmed? RIP Jenni Rivera—she was a cutie in life.


36 posted on 12/12/2012 9:29:24 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Responsibility2nd

32 seconds

28,000 feet/ (600mph X 5280ft /3600 sec) =1/(1/31.82) = 31.82 seconds


37 posted on 12/12/2012 9:30:25 AM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: Responsibility2nd
If a plane at 28,000 feet begins a nose dive at 600 mph, isn’t there still at least 2 minutes of sheer terror and panic before the plane hits the ground?

I calculate about 32 seconds, assuming the rate of descent was constant, but that's still plenty of time if one is conscious. Plus, if it was dark and you could see the ground, the anticipation would be unbearable. The physical pain would be insignificant, but the psychological pain must've been horrible.

38 posted on 12/12/2012 9:32:14 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
There’s no ‘gliding’ in a Lear Jet. They fall like a rock when they lose power, just like that F/A-18 over San Diego that landed on a house. I’d rather be in a Cessna or other old school ‘floater’.

I would never ride in a Lear. There is a reason pilots I know call them "land darts".

39 posted on 12/12/2012 9:32:39 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I would think that in order for this Lear aircraft to go straight in at 600mph it would need to be under near full power to do so.

That's the speed that it's estimated Payne Stewart's plane hit at, and it was out of fuel.

40 posted on 12/12/2012 9:33:11 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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