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vanity - What if Adam Lanza did not want to die?

Posted on 12/15/2012 4:25:17 PM PST by SMGFan

Yes, it was his choice to live or die.

There is no death penalty in CT.

If he chose to live would there be a call for the death penalty to return? No. Of course not. But there is a call to limit guns.

If he had killed in a death penalty state, and chose to live, would the liberals have fought to keep him alive? Would they argue he was not mentally sound? He did them a favor by killing himself?


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: lanza; sandyhook
On April 11, 2012, the Connecticut House of Representatives voted to repeal capital punishment for future cases (leaving past death sentences in place). The Connecticut Senate had already voted for the bill, and on April 25 Governor Dannel Malloy signed the bill into law.[10] That made Connecticut the 17th state in the US without a death penalty, and the fifth state to abolish capital punishment in five years.[11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Connecticut
1 posted on 12/15/2012 4:25:20 PM PST by SMGFan
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To: SMGFan

WADR, I do not understand this question. Seems to me that the fact that he wanted to kill is more important. What am I missing here?


2 posted on 12/15/2012 4:28:40 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Definitely something missing, here.


3 posted on 12/15/2012 4:30:34 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: SMGFan
http://www.cnadp.org/ has a website that is a regular laugh riot in light of the elementary school executions ~ which is what they were. One line that sent regular titters rolling up and down my spine goes "Welcome our new staff and new board! Hear about CNADP’s new vision! Help us celebrate "
4 posted on 12/15/2012 4:32:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: SMGFan

What makes you think he killed himself? Did maybe another adult nearby kill him with a gun he or she had, and would the media report that properly? Is the media honest because it would make the adult who shot him a hero?

I am not saying he did not kill himself because I truly don’t know but I wonder if we would have heard it if someone else had pulled the trigger on him.


5 posted on 12/15/2012 4:33:32 PM PST by bergmeid (FUBO)
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To: SMGFan

He did no one a favor by killing himself, because in so doing he left no one to turn our outrage and anger against except ourselves, and that is exactly what is happening.


6 posted on 12/15/2012 4:33:44 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Olog-hai
He could have chosen not to kill himself, just like James Holmes or the Norway mass killer.

Fortunately he chose to end his life.

7 posted on 12/15/2012 4:34:49 PM PST by SMGFan (SMGfan is not "Sub Machine Gun" fan)
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To: Olog-hai

From what I’ve read, apparently he was wearing real, bona-fide body armor. Well, a real bulletproof vest at least.

So did he intend to off himself? Was he perhaps anticipating that someone was maybe going to take a shot at him? Or was it all part of the whole “Look at me I’m such a badass” ensemble?

I’ve often speculated that the reason a lot of spree killers commit suicide after their spree is finished is that adrenalin winds down, and if you’ve ever been in situation where you’re adrenalin is way up, and then it crashes, you end up actually feeling seriously bummed out once the adrenalin rush goes away.


8 posted on 12/15/2012 4:35:16 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: SMGFan

Well, the way it works, is that liberals pick their fights carefully. If it’s a black guy that tears up womens’ private parts while killing them, that’s ok - and they’ll go to the matt to keep him alive - saying that he is somewhat retarded, or whatever.

But when it comes to someone violating their cherished institutions, a school in this case, or the Federal Bldg. in OKC, then it’s fine if they are executed, and you won’t hear a peep out them. Same for a politically incorrect crime, like dragging James Byrd behind a truck.

They know better than to act on principal - they pick their fights carefully and are careful to stay clear of fights that will cost them more than they gain. Republicans could learn something from this strategy.


10 posted on 12/15/2012 4:35:55 PM PST by BobL (Did you know that the Chinese now buy close to twice as many new cars as Americans each year?)
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To: SMGFan

Thew point is moot, he is dead and he took 26 innocents in a horrific manner.

He is on the lowest level of hell now.


11 posted on 12/15/2012 4:37:24 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SMGFan

If CT had a Death Row, Liberals would not protest because he is not retarded enough and he is not a black man.
My proof? Tim McVeigh
Libs let him die because he was white and he struck at sacred Government workers.


12 posted on 12/15/2012 4:40:40 PM PST by omega4179 ( el 0bama comio un perro)
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To: bergmeid

There is a SWAT practice of letting these guys bleed out before declaring them dead by suicide. Since they control the forensics end they make sure the paperwork matches the report.


13 posted on 12/15/2012 4:42:17 PM PST by omega4179 ( el 0bama comio un perro)
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To: SMGFan

The media blasts the picture of this creep into everyone’s TV, and every detail of its life 24/7 , making it world famous , making it a household name.

Question:
Does the media realize that this coverage of its life will create copy cats who seek fame or to go out in a blaze of glory ?

My answer: Yes the media know this and purposefully report on it in such a manner as to create more copy cats that seek fame or glory .They could report on the killings but not the identity, nor details of how it was done so as to not encourage copy cats but they do because the media want this to happen so they can empower government, take away our gun rights , take away our freedom, our rights etc. .The media created the situation where now mass shootings are happening very frequently as they didn’t happen with this frequency in previous decades if at all then. Then the media get excited and happy that their work paid off when one happens and they go all crazy reporting it like sharks in a feeding frenzy.


14 posted on 12/15/2012 4:44:44 PM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: SMGFan

What if my aunt had testicles? She likely would have been my uncle........


15 posted on 12/15/2012 4:46:49 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: SMGFan

What if we had fewer vanities here with lame passing thoughts?


16 posted on 12/15/2012 4:48:18 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SMGFan

pretzel logic


17 posted on 12/15/2012 4:51:07 PM PST by babble-on
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To: SMGFan
What if China had decided to launch a semi pre-emptive nuclear strike against the U.S. the day before Lanza's attack, would he have continued on with his plan to kill his mother then the school children?

What if there had been a 2 foot deep snow storm blanketing CT the day before Lanza carried out his murder spree, would he still have murdered his mother then trudged thru the snow to the school to kill the children?

18 posted on 12/15/2012 4:54:17 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: omega4179
The Government disposed of Mcveigh quickly on the other hand they have kept Maj Hasan alive and hidden away.

The news media and the White house having been hoping for such a tragedy to get rid of guns once and for all.

The way to stop these shootings is to bring back public hangings. If the shooter kills himself then just hang his naked body out in the public square for view. No fame for the shooter, the media needs to stop the endless coverage, besides I really don't care why they did it. There should be no insanity plea, get rid of the killers because they have forfeited the right to live.

19 posted on 12/15/2012 4:58:03 PM PST by pterional
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To: SMGFan

Smoking doobies and posting vanities on FR don’t mix very well.
You should do one or the other, but not both at the same time.


20 posted on 12/15/2012 4:58:20 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: SMGFan

the mere fact he did this says he wanted to die. IMHO.


21 posted on 12/15/2012 4:59:21 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: mylife

and still not dead. He left this world a killer of children. His next world is unthinkable.


22 posted on 12/15/2012 4:59:35 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

This scum apparently wore bullet proof armor because he wanted to make sure he did his slaughter before a bullet could bring him down.
My heart breaks for those children and their parents.
What a senseless tragedy.


23 posted on 12/15/2012 5:11:07 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: SMGFan

Not before ending the lives of anyone else.


24 posted on 12/15/2012 5:31:24 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

And where did he get this body armor/ combat vest?????

More questions .....


25 posted on 12/15/2012 5:43:42 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: omega4179

McVeigh wiped out the kiddies in the day care center!


26 posted on 12/15/2012 5:59:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: SMGFan
Anyone who murders 20 children is insane.

It is just as likely he wanted a Snicker bar, or to learn to surf, as whether he wanted to die. What went through his scrambled mind is as random as the lottery. We will never understand these people, nor predict their behavior. If zombies exist, these are them.

If he had no access to guns, he may have found some; or used a knife or machete or ANYTHING, to kill those kids if he was determined to kill.

In a society of millions, a certain percentage of people will be criminally insane. This means there are thousands of nutjobs out there with a burning desire to kill others. These people are often hard to identify. Some are completely normal just prior to committing an atrocity - something just snaps.

Only one strategy has any chance of protecting a school - armed guards & staff trained to deal with armed intruders.

Even Liberal movie people understand zombies, & they know the only way to deal with zombies is with guns.

27 posted on 12/15/2012 6:03:08 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: WildHighlander57

Who knows what the truth is, but it has been reported that his mom had a LEO brother in the family.

Maybe she just took her own security and 2nd rights as seriously as many on here.


28 posted on 12/15/2012 6:03:24 PM PST by digger48
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To: Mister Da
I should add:

These guns were likely stolen from his mother, so these guns were NOT legally obtained by the perp. He stole them just like any other criminal. If she didn't have any guns, he could have stolen them from someone else or bought them on the streets.

29 posted on 12/15/2012 6:10:36 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: SMGFan

The “liberals” would be conflicted as they tried to demonize guns and try to set him up as an innocent victim of the gun culture at the same time. He probably did the Left more of a favor than he did us.


30 posted on 12/16/2012 4:25:59 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
There is also a very real spiritual element.

The initial idea might not have been his, but demonic influence. The initial tempting idea, isn't a sin, but the willful acceptance by his volition to accept that idea is sinful. His continuing to pursue his murder spree, upon its conclusion set himself up to then judge himself.

The Adversary is an accuser. The murderer sets himself up to then be accused. If he has a habit of judging others, then justifying is perception of their unrighteousness by murdering them, he then sets himself up when the idea arises of his own unrighteousness, to follow through with his own judgment to murder himself, thinking this will be a righteous act to justify himself.

It doesn't, because it is an arrogant thinking process placing himself before God and His Provision.

Even a murderer has an opportunity for salvation, by accepting what God has provided in Jesus Christ being judged for all sins on the Cross. This doesn't mean a murderer escapes the consequences of his criminal behavior within society, but that his eternal destiny isn't oblivion if he accepts what God has provided him. The murderer still is to be punished by capital punishment and swiftly executed, to protect the people from such criminality.

31 posted on 12/16/2012 4:39:48 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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