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What is with conservative talking heads caving in on the Second Amendment? Vanity
12/18/12 | Keith Brown

Posted on 12/18/2012 5:56:48 AM PST by Keith Brown

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1 posted on 12/18/2012 5:56:52 AM PST by Keith Brown
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To: Keith Brown

I’ve never been able to stand Medved and O’Reilly is the biggest douchebag on the planet.

Not surprised.


2 posted on 12/18/2012 5:59:04 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Keith Brown

Well at least not many of us on this forum have caved on this issue. That seems like one issue we can unite on in this forum?

The media manipulates these conservative commentators as puppets and they don’t even know it. The media and democrats are exploiting the mass shootings to take away our individual rights and to empower government.

The media know they are egging on the next star,promising them fame and immortality if they will just try to top or match the current mass shooter.

The mainstream media causes these shootings.

These idiots or psychos shoot people for the fame the media will give them.

The media makes these shooters household names.


3 posted on 12/18/2012 6:00:19 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Keith Brown

Our real friends are being identified.


4 posted on 12/18/2012 6:00:57 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: Keith Brown

Your first mistake is in assuming that Medved is a conservative.


5 posted on 12/18/2012 6:01:38 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Keith Brown

Medved is NOT a conservative. He only masquarades as one on the radio. He is a RINO extroidinaire. I also heard this broadcast. He has always been timid with his support of the 2nd Amendment acting as if he really isn’t comfortable with it and now he has come out of the closet on this as with a few other issues.


6 posted on 12/18/2012 6:01:38 AM PST by MachIV
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To: Keith Brown

The liberal left have so much anger they use all weapons at their disposal to bash their way to what they want. Gun Rights will now be the new race card against those with common sense.


7 posted on 12/18/2012 6:02:18 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Keith Brown

Neither of the two ‘hosts’ you mentioned are conservatives. medved is a liberal masquerading as a conservative for a paycheck, and o’really is a megalomaniac with no core conservative principals.


8 posted on 12/18/2012 6:04:32 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: Keith Brown

O reilly is a liberal wad. Can’t stand him, never could. Big talk, nothing else. But please buy his mugs and t- shirts. haha


9 posted on 12/18/2012 6:05:05 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: OldPossum
Our real friends are being identified.

I've come to the sad conclusion that most of the public figures on the "Conservative" side, are not my real friends at all.

David Brooks?
Bill O'Reilly?
Joe Scarborough?
Michael Medved?
Jim Boehner?

The list goes on and on. The schools are against us. The media is against us. The Democrats are against us. And an awful lot of high-profile Republicans are against us.

My real friends? Darn few these days.

10 posted on 12/18/2012 6:06:05 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: Keith Brown
Optimum phrase: so called conservatives.
12 posted on 12/18/2012 6:07:11 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Keith Brown
moral panic
13 posted on 12/18/2012 6:07:37 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Keith Brown

Do these guys do their shows behind guards who are armed?


14 posted on 12/18/2012 6:08:25 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: TheRhinelander

>>I’ve never been able to stand Medved and O’Reilly is the biggest douchebag on the planet.<<

Rush was right when he called O’Reilly “Ted Baxter.”

“and the irony was, he was a VEGETARIAN!”


15 posted on 12/18/2012 6:09:30 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: Keith Brown

You think Medved and O’Reilly are conservatives?


16 posted on 12/18/2012 6:11:20 AM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: Keith Brown

pissed off because their taxes are going up?


17 posted on 12/18/2012 6:11:27 AM PST by RC one (FU liberals.)
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To: Keith Brown

these are effete elites who don’t like armed serfs or competing nobles.

It is NYC mindset disease.


18 posted on 12/18/2012 6:12:27 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Keith Brown
Talking heads thrive on emotionalism.

They are rarely clear thinkers.

The response to this nonsense is very simple:

"It breaks my heart that an evil lunatic shattered your family and murdered your loved ones.

"I respect your deep grief.

"Is it just, then, to demand that I should now forfeit my right to protect my loved ones and leave them defenseless against the next evil lunatic?

"I am very sorry for your loss, but that is not justice."

19 posted on 12/18/2012 6:12:35 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Keith Brown

It’s because they aren’t conservatives.


20 posted on 12/18/2012 6:13:51 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Keith Brown

Listen to Mark Levin. He is all you need.


21 posted on 12/18/2012 6:14:14 AM PST by Sybeck1
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To: ClearCase_guy

Add Bill Bennett to the list. God Bless Mark Levin, but the other day I sortof cringed when he said if his items were confiscated, he would “sue”. I’m sorry Mark, but when that starts happening, effecting anything via the courts is long past a reality.


22 posted on 12/18/2012 6:15:54 AM PST by MachIV
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To: Keith Brown

There are no conservative talk radio hosts..

only republican party hacks...


23 posted on 12/18/2012 6:16:57 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: Keith Brown
Michael Meds is a closet LIBERAL - worked for the RAT Party way back in the “first worst President of our lifetime”, who has now replaced by Baraq Hussein Soetoro, our lord and savior (to quote a noted hollyweird actor).

At one time I am sure I heard him say that he had helped the Carter campaign but this morning I cannot find a reference to that little tidbit. From his wikipedia bio........

After his first year of law school, he left to work as a head speech writer for Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Joseph Duffey,[2][3] and then for four years as a speech writer and political consultant. After political campaign work, including a position as an aide to Congressman Ron Dellums, Medved worked in advertising, and coordinated a campaign to recruit more African Americans and Hispanics to the police departments of the California cities of San Francisco, Oakland and Berkeley.
24 posted on 12/18/2012 6:19:07 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: freedumb2003

remember when OReily faked his “fight” with michael moore going onto his show? Once a tabloid reader always a tabloid reader.


25 posted on 12/18/2012 6:19:33 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Keith Brown

ObaMugabe has used Newtown to unleash his cultural revolution and Red Guard to terrorize opponents. Extracting public confession to wrongful thinking was a common punishment.

That’s what we’re seeing.


26 posted on 12/18/2012 6:21:26 AM PST by y6162
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To: MachIV
Correct. I will only surrender my “assault weapon” after I have given them all my ammunition, ONE round at a time.
27 posted on 12/18/2012 6:22:19 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Keith Brown
Part of the problem we have is WE have done a VERY bad job of explaining the 2nd amendment.

I have, on my Facebook page...and granted...thats only a few hundred people...but it's my circle, begun an in-earnest education campaign about the 2nd.

Every chance I get I remind people: The 2nd is NOT for hunting. The 2nd is not for home or self protection. The 2nd exists to back up the 1st. The 1st amendment is there, not to allow you to make porn movies or so you don't have to look at the 10 Commandments posted in front of the Court House...but to voice concerns when the government goes beyond it's authority. The 2nd is there for when the government attempts to prohibit the 1st.

ALL of the Bill of Rights are aimed DIRECTLY at limiting Federal Power and empowering the individual. If we would teach this to our children, like we used to, we would be much better off.

28 posted on 12/18/2012 6:24:15 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: wideawake

the Media Mob is dragging the shoting victim leftists out to speak for gun control since the NRA has officially surrendered.


29 posted on 12/18/2012 6:24:15 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Keith Brown

The abolishment of the 2nd Amendment will bring civil war to this country.


30 posted on 12/18/2012 6:25:52 AM PST by ohioman
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To: Keith Brown

Medved is no conservative. He’s a RINO at best.


31 posted on 12/18/2012 6:26:00 AM PST by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: Keith Brown

The irony of losing their 1st Amendment rights by relinquishing our 2nd Amendment rights is lost on the likes of Medved and O’Reilly.


32 posted on 12/18/2012 6:28:33 AM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Democrat_media
The media and democrats are exploiting the mass shootings to take away our individual rights and to empower government.

That is all one needs to know about the state of our nation. Too many Americans and illegal aliens are way too dumb and uncaring to even understand what is happening to their freedoms and liberty that they are giving up in order to embrace Baraq O'Clause and his RAT party's promise of goodies for the rest of their lives. ACCEPTING THESE GIFTS WILL COME WITH A VERY HIGH PRICE. Fortunately for me I am old enough to not have to live through the horrific state of affairs that are coming. I cry for my grandkids - there is no way out of this.

I was a teenager in the early '60s and worked a good part of my life for Defense contractors and consider myself a cold-war warrior. UNFORTUNATELY the commies won, but from within - not an outside attack like Red Dawn.
33 posted on 12/18/2012 6:32:53 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Cheerio; MinuteGal

Well, actually the good news for both O’Reilly and Medved, is that they at least moved more to the right in their lifetimes. They could have both stayed pure liberal. Don’t trust either of them to be anything resembling a true conservative, because they aren’t, but I’d rather have them as sometime political friends than 100 percent political enemies. You don’t always get perfection.

Just be aware that on some things both are perfectly capable of turning on us at times, because they really aren’t conservatives. My question is, how is it that some conservative people haven’t figured these two out a long time ago. It’s so obvious that they are RINO’s at best, or moderates in the pure sense of the word. Some things are self evident.


34 posted on 12/18/2012 6:33:44 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: freedumb2003

My biggest issue with O’Reilly is that he constantly interrupts people and talks over them. I consider that incredibly rude.

As a matter of fact I hate it so much I think people guilty of it should be shot by firing squad.


35 posted on 12/18/2012 6:40:04 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Keith Brown

Clearly Michael Medved does not own guns and does not understand that “assault weapon” is a thoroughly phony PR phrase that means nothing. Likewise Jim Boeheim, the Syracuse coach who won his 900th. game yesterday, made some similar statement which indicates he just doesn’t know jack about guns.

Medved does an interesting show, but he always hewes very closely to the far left edge of Conservatism.


36 posted on 12/18/2012 6:44:16 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Keith Brown

O’Reilly is NOT a conservative, he’s a statist.


37 posted on 12/18/2012 6:48:07 AM PST by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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To: MachIV

Yep. There was a thread here yesterday about Bill Bennett advocating gund control.

Sad. Bennett is one of my political heroes.


38 posted on 12/18/2012 6:53:03 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: MachIV

Krauthammer was mewling on the same subject last night. But at least he admitted that gun control was not gonna happen in his lifetime.


39 posted on 12/18/2012 6:57:45 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Responsibility2nd

Is it possible that the famous neoconservatives are moving back towards liberalism?


40 posted on 12/18/2012 6:59:04 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein

Krauthammer is right on that. I suspect the Dems overreaching on this is going to be the thing that allows the GOP to keep the House in 2014.


41 posted on 12/18/2012 6:59:42 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Keith Brown

O’Reilly is a moron. Last night he said he was a “2nd Amendment guy”, proceeded to get different guns confused and embarrassed himself, and excused it by then saying, “I’m not a gun guy.” He said we need to sacrifice for the kids and tighten the gun laws.

This morning, Gretchen Carlson on Fox & Friends said she just doesn’t understand why anyone “needs” to own an assault rifle.

It’s like an avalanche now, and these fools don’t see anything wrong with the fact that they are agreeing with Communist China on gun control in America. All of this is a purely emotional response, and I for one am getting sick of it. When I heard that Dick’s Sporting Goods in Newtown had removed their guns, I turned off the TV before my head could explode. What——now the people in CT will be traumatized by the mere sight of a gun?


42 posted on 12/18/2012 7:03:01 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Cheerio
You're forgetting Medved’s real claim to fame: film critic and author of the wonderful “Golden Turkey Awards,” which he wrote with his brother.

He also wrote a book about Hollywood's descent into cruelty and sexuality. It was very good. I forget its title.

43 posted on 12/18/2012 7:03:13 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: ohioman
The abolishment of the 2nd Amendment will bring civil war to this country.

In today's dumbed down American Idol culture I would not count on it. Maybe my circle of friends is too small and the wrong folk, but I know very few that are willing to fight and die for their liberties.

No one has risen up against the MARXIST regime that took over our Fed Govt in 2006 with Harry and Nancy leading the way for Baraq. Where have the million man marches been held? Not even enough conservatives, RINOS, "Blue Dog" Reagan Democrats, and undecideds got up off their lazy buts to throw this buffoon out of the White House (that he is illegally occupying). Zero's certification can still be stopped when the Congress meets to ratify the election results - BUT NO ONE WILL DARE MAKE THE OBJECTION for fear of the media and Boner reprisals.

Objecting to the Counting of One or More Electoral Votes.
3 U.S.C. § 15 includes a procedure for making and acting on objections to the counting of one or more of the electoral votes from a state or the District of Columbia. When the certificate or equivalent paper from each state (or the District of Columbia) is read, "the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any." Any such objection must be presented in writing and must be signed by at least one Senator and one Representative. The objection "shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof...." When an objection is received, each house is to meet and consider it separately. The statute states that "[n]o votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of." However, in 1873, before enactment of the law now in force, the joint session agreed, without objection and for reasons of convenience, to entertain objections with regard to two or more states before the two houses met separately to consider any of them.

44 posted on 12/18/2012 7:05:21 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

And I was somewhat amused to read that gun sales are now through the roof. Every time some lib advocates for gun control, Americans run to the gun stores!


45 posted on 12/18/2012 7:05:21 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Keith Brown

medved is no conservative. He was an avid supporter of RINOs in 2008 and I haven’t seen any change in him since then. I recall him and Hugh Hewitt another RINO lover, were on the Romeny bandwagon in 2008 and most likely also in 2012.


46 posted on 12/18/2012 7:06:00 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: Keith Brown
These are people who live and work in New York, Washington, San Francisco.

In many cases, they literally don't know anybody who owns a gun and often the only time they've ever seen one is when they bump into a cop on the subway. In short, they fear what is unfamiliar to them, and living as they do in crowded urban environments filled with unusually large numbers of aggressive people, they tend assume the worst about human intentionality.

If I had to base my opinion of humanity on the people I rode the train with in the city every day, I wouldn't trust people much, either. That's a big reason why I left city life behind 25 years ago, and never looked back. It's much nicer here in the country - along with my family, good neighbors... and my guns, too.

47 posted on 12/18/2012 7:08:03 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: TheRhinelander

I stopped listening to Medved a long time ago when he treated callers opposing illegal immigration the same way he treated 2nd ammendment callers. Someone who is pro illegal immigration and anti 2nd ammendment is not conservative in my book.


48 posted on 12/18/2012 7:09:14 AM PST by anoldafvet (One million people attended Obama's inauguration, at least 14 of them missed work)
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To: anoldafvet

I agree. another one is/was””I am a Christian and Democrat.” Both are kinda like a German in the 1930s saying,”I am a member of the National Socialists Workers Party, I also support Adolph Hitler, but I really and truly love the Jews.”


49 posted on 12/18/2012 7:15:15 AM PST by sport
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To: ClearCase_guy

Re your post #10, yes, you are correct. None of us who are real conservatives have much in the way of friends nowadays. The American public, if it was truly informed, would support us, but they remain low-information people.

The future does look bleak.


50 posted on 12/18/2012 7:15:30 AM PST by OldPossum
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