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(Vanity) Three things to Save America

Posted on 01/04/2013 2:00:27 PM PST by simka

1. Term limits for ALL congress members. No need to compromise their principles to win another term. 2. Voting rights for property owners only, or at least limited to Taxpayers. There is no sense in cancelling a well considered vote by some ditzy California deb who can't identify a picture of George Washington.( example Jaywalking, Leno show) 3. All laws to apply to lawmakers and the public EQUALLY


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KEYWORDS: limitedvoting; termlimits

1 posted on 01/04/2013 2:00:41 PM PST by simka
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To: simka

God
Guns
Guts


2 posted on 01/04/2013 2:02:17 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: simka

3 posted on 01/04/2013 2:03:22 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: simka

You forgot to wish for the unicorn too.


4 posted on 01/04/2013 2:09:20 PM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: simka

TERM LIMITS for EVERYONE . . . there’s plenty of smart, capable people out of 330 million, who can serve for public good or for a much smaller ego trip. NO RE-ELECTIONS, PERIOD. NO JOB HOPPING, one branch to the other, etc. 2-4-6 years, and THAT’s IT. We don’t need career politicians, “public servants” bureaucrats, etc. Plenty of talent spillover from private to public, then back to private.

Enough.


5 posted on 01/04/2013 2:09:53 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (Elections do have consequences, young people of America)
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To: simka
4. No candidate for public office may accept money from outside the district they would represent.

5. Any elected or appointed office holder convicted of felony crimes loses all perks and pensions acquired from their time in office.

6 posted on 01/04/2013 2:10:18 PM PST by Baynative (Those that work for a living are now outnumbered by those that vote for a living.)
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To: simka

Voting should be for property owners only.

If the voting was based on taxpayers, it’d be just like church. Sin all week and confess on Sunday. Rinse repeat. People would pay taxes every four years.

Property owners are dictated by the gov what they can do on their property. Renters have the gov to back them against the property owner. Owner gets punched on both sides.


7 posted on 01/04/2013 2:11:55 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Baynative

6. No pay for Congress during years the Federal Budget runs a deficit.


8 posted on 01/04/2013 2:14:11 PM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: simka

Currently, there is only one party in Washington: The Re-Election Party. That party will not solve our problems.

We need a new party tht voluntarlily imposes term lmits on itself. That’s the best we can hope for. We need a party of patriots, uncomprimied ad fearless. A REAL minority party could advocate for the Copnstitution and limited government, and say NO, NO, NO, and HELL NO!

That’s the best we can hope for.


9 posted on 01/04/2013 2:18:17 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: simka

You’re talking 3 Constitutional Amendments there, Kemosabe.

Congress critters will NEVER vote to pass them. That leaves the Constitutional Convention route, which should frankly scare the crap out of you as it is bound to be taken over by the FDR Second Bill of Rights crowd (Right to a Job, Right to Housing, Right to a College Education...)


10 posted on 01/04/2013 2:21:33 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Baynative

No person can hold any office or judgeship who denies the principles of the Constitution-—that our Rights come from God-—that Rule of Law includes the concept of Higher Law and arbitrary laws (unreasoned and unnatural) are unconstitutional.

That no “Rights” exist-—except those which come from God and the Natural Law which is embedded in Christianity——(that means all unconstitutional laws that include socialism—unequal taxation—special rights-—sodomy “rights” or abortion “rights” or irrational ideas which separate Reason and Faith in the Judeo-Christian God—is irrational and unconstitutional. )

With Higher Law concept—our Supreme Law in the USA-—God’s Laws are Supreme and NOTHING can eject God from our Constitution. He is embedded and can’t be taken out if the USA is to be the USA as designed by our Founders. Atheists/Marxists can not be judges or politicians, since they can never take an oath to believe in the necessary FACT of Justice-—that our Rights come from God—Absolute Truth.

Anyone who advocates ejecting God-—is ejecting all our Natural Rights and Reason and Justice. Natural Law Theory believes in a Designer of Natural Laws-—”Absolute Truth” which is necessary for Justice and unity.


11 posted on 01/04/2013 2:24:34 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Baynative
6. Eliminate "withholding" taxes from everyone's paycheck and make the populace pay by check on April 15th.

7. Make Election Day April 16th.

12 posted on 01/04/2013 2:28:08 PM PST by red-dawg
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To: simka

1 and 3 perfect. Completely disagree with #2. Make sure they are citizens, but citizens absolutely, 100% should hv the right to vote.


13 posted on 01/04/2013 2:34:17 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: simka

Nothing can save America it is gone. The best we can do is save some of the red states.


14 posted on 01/04/2013 2:41:26 PM PST by Breto (Stranger in a strange land... where did America go?)
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To: red-dawg
Even better. All income is to be paid in cash weekly and the worker will return to the company cashier all federal, state and local taxes, deductions for healthcare and insurance, and non company pension plans (401k, IRA, Roth IRA. Just imagine that lazy worthless SOB who talks the liberal mantra seeing his pay physically being taken from him, dollar by dollar. In case you think I forgot union dues, the union can get their dues by direct collection from the worker at a time and place decided on by the local union bosses. The self employed would be responsible for making the appropriate deposits at their personal bank. Unemployment checks must be personally cashed at a bank. Go back to food stamps. Suspend all Obamaphone activities to 250 minutes per month, no texts and no data. Just the simple phone with no call waiting, call forwarding or caller I.D. Quit making it easy for the tax consumers to continue to prey on the tax payers.
15 posted on 01/04/2013 2:51:23 PM PST by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: simka

>Term limits for ALL congress members.<

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Do you really think that JUST ONE congresscritter would vote in favor of it considering the outrageous benefits these clowns enjoy?

Would you vote to get laid off?


16 posted on 01/04/2013 3:04:15 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: simka

8) Tar and Feathers (should be #1)
There is a lot in common with these 2 items falling out of favor and and the gummit beginning to abuse it’s people.
They are no longer afraid of us.


17 posted on 01/04/2013 3:09:03 PM PST by kneehurts
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To: simka

This won’t save America.

What ails America is moral cultural decline. One of the most important causes of this decline is our nation’s godlessly nihilistic government schools.

As Malcolm X said:

“Only a fool would let their enemy educate their children.”


18 posted on 01/04/2013 3:13:22 PM PST by wintertime
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To: simka

I would add:

Any elected official must resign his/her current position before seeking another elective office.


19 posted on 01/04/2013 3:14:55 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: simka

4)Single item bills in Congress.
5)Only registered voters can contribute to a politician or party.


20 posted on 01/04/2013 3:15:35 PM PST by FReepaholic (Stupidity is not a crime, so you're free to go.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop; simka

The problem with only allowing property owners voting rights is that the government becomes taxation without representation for non-property owners.

Now, if you want to say that ONLY property owners pay taxes, then it becomes a different issue.


21 posted on 01/04/2013 3:19:39 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: SC_Pete
Currently, there is only one party in Washington: The Re-Election Party. That party will not solve our problems.

Yes.

And the Republicans do no necessarily mind being the minority party. They don't have to work as hard and they still get a share of the pork.
22 posted on 01/04/2013 3:22:56 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

At the local, state and federal level we need patriots who will stand up. It does not matter that we will be a minority party—at least we will have fighters, instead of go-alongs. The GOP has been losing since the FDR Administration—the inexorable slide toward SOCIALISM. At least if we had a party of citizens, we could throw monkey wrenches—and leave a stinking bag on their doorstep when appropriate.


23 posted on 01/04/2013 3:29:31 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: savagesusie

I agree with your post about the Constitution, however, Judge England, US Eastern District of California in Sacramento, ruled the U.S. Constitution does not require the US President to have valid IDs.

The US Attorney had stated at a hearing that there is no requirement for the US President to have a valid birth certificate and a valid selective service certificate and a valid Social Security number. See OrlyTaitzEsq.com

Orly responded to the judge that there is nothing in the Constitution requiring the President to have a pulse, or brain activity, but if the President has to be a natural born citizen, he should have a valid birth certificate and not a computer generated forgery, that he would not be using a stolen Social Security number and a forged Selective Service card.


24 posted on 01/04/2013 3:55:14 PM PST by charlie72
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To: simka
"2. Voting rights for property owners only,"

That would exclude most who've served in our military forces.

"or at least limited to Taxpayers."

That would include everyone (fees, property taxes, sales taxes, Social Security, etc.).


25 posted on 01/04/2013 4:47:41 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: simka

Agreed on term limits, BTW.


26 posted on 01/04/2013 4:50:07 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: simka

Limit Representatives and Senators to two terms, or one term in each office.The Representative must face a retention election in the middle of his second term. The Senator must face retention election at two and four years into his 2nd term. Better, for Senators, repeal the 17th Amendment and return to status quo ante, no term limits for them would then be needed or appropriate.


27 posted on 01/04/2013 5:37:13 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: TomGuy

Since I forgot about the taxation without representation bit, correct me if I’m wrong: weren’t taxes supposed to be temporary? Didn’t taxation start during one of the World Wars to help fight the war?


28 posted on 01/04/2013 6:48:44 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Per Google search, Lincoln imposed an income tax in 1861. It was in effect for 10 years, then repealed.

In 1894 Congress enacted a flat rate Federal income tax, which was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

Congress tried again and passed the 16th Amendment which was ratified in 1913.


29 posted on 01/04/2013 7:04:42 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

Ah! Thank you for that info.


30 posted on 01/04/2013 7:20:52 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: simka

Repeal the 16th amendment and go to a national sales(consumption) tax. That one act would eliminate much of the lobbying in Washington. Plus, it would effectively neuter the IRS.

Repeal the 17th amendment and return to the states appointing Senators. Benefits would be getting the money out of campaigning and easier removal of bad senators.


31 posted on 01/04/2013 10:00:23 PM PST by upsdriver
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