Skip to comments.Alinsky vs. Sun Tzu: How ancient strategy can be used against the Liberal Left.
Posted on 01/21/2013 10:12:36 AM PST by LucyT
"...Saul Alinsky has been discussed in such a matter-of-fact way that many casual observers have heard of him."
The following is a list of Alinskys 12 rules for upheaval:
RULE 1: Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.
RULE 2: Never go outside the expertise of your people.
RULE 3: Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.
RULE 4: Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.
RULE 5: Ridicule is mans most potent weapon.
RULE 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy.
RULE 7: A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.
RULE 8: Keep the pressure on. Never let up.
RULE 9: The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.
RULE 10: If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.
RULE 11: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.
RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
"Of these, Rules 4, 5, 8, and 12 have been used to greatest effect by the Left. In their war against the Constitution and traditional America, they have assailed, in turn, most of the great foundations of our society."
"In their war against the Constitution and traditional America, they have assailed, in turn, most of the great foundations of our society.
"They have removed God. They have made abortion mainstream. They have helped the tiny minority of gay and lesbian activists dictate policy to the majority.
"They have made millions dependent on government through social programs such as Social Security, Medicare, and now federal control of automakers, banks, energy, and health care. - Granted, some of these Leftist changes took place long before Alinsky, but his principles have been widely used by the 21st century brand of so-called progressives who look to take the next step."
Alinsky is over rated. Half of that crap is obvious and the rest is plagiarized.
Speaking of Medicare, an expert on the Russian mafia stated on Varney & Co. FOX Business this morning, that the Russian mafia is very active in medicare fraud. How come our “transparent” government hasn’t mentioned this? Or maybe that was part of the “more flexability after the election” part.
"Much has been made in recent political history of Saul Alinsky and his Rules for Radicals. Bill Clinton reportedly followed Alinskys advice. Barack Obama taught a class on using Alinsky principles to keep the nation in chaos. After all, its easier to get radical policies enacted during a crisis. However, I assert that there is an older, much more battle-tested set of rules for warfare that are becoming more applicable to politics in the United States as the political arena begins to resemble the Roman Colosseum: The Art of War by Sun-Tzu."
I personally feel that rule number one has been pretty effective at demoralizing the right.
The reality is that we have at least as much power as the left and its growing. The GOP holds 3 branch majorities in 24 states while the democrats hold all 3 branches in 13 states. The states have shown some willingness to stand against Obama and our job is to weld them into a solid block to fight back.
Free Republic should spawn a private, invitation-only 24/7 think tank devoted to exploring this very idea.
Alinsky dedicated "Rules for Radicals" to Lucifer. Really.
Obama taught "Alinsky Tactics 101" as a professor. Really.
The danger of the current left and the french revolution is that they were rebelling against what they didn't want. And it was bloody.
Our founding fathers were wise in having a very clear understanding of what they were working toward, which was their rights from God. People were not always pure in their ideology, but I think the evidence in our original documents speak.
We as conservatives here are not of like mind, and have little common ground, we are fractionalized. Balkenized if you prefer.
I will add the following to your refresher course:
Free Republic should spawn a private, invitation-only
24/7 think tank devoted to exploring this very idea.
it already exists...It's called The Heritage Foundation...
My tax return
I just received my tax return for 2011 back from the IRS. It puzzles me!!!
They are questioning how many dependents I claimed.
I guess it was because of my response to the question: List all dependents?
I replied: 12 million illegal immigrants;
3 million crack heads;
42 million unemployed people on food stamps,
2 million people in over 243 prisons;
Half of Mexico; and 535 persons in the U.S. House and Senate.
1 useless President.
Evidently, this was NOT an acceptable answer.
I KEEP ASKING MYSELF, WHO DID I MISS?
You mention Alinsky’s 12 Rules but nary a word about or from Sun Tzu yet your thread title is one versus the other. Where are the Sun Tzu principles?
Sounds like a fantastic idea. I’d love to read the group’s final report.
....they are hell bent to forcing the Rush doctrine to be used eventually....
miele man ~:” You mention Alinskys 12 Rules but nary a word about or from Sun Tzu yet your thread title is one versus the other. Where are the Sun Tzu principles? “
There is no Sun Tzu comparison
Saul D. Alinsky , a known communist community organizer used the above principles to effect change in resistant communities ,and aginst large commercial enterprizes . The above listed principles are enumerated in his book “Rules for Radicles “ .
Sun Tzu’s “ The Art of War “ is a tactical reference in physical and psychological aspects of warfare , and evaluating how to hurt the enemy the most , while minimizing your exposure to loss .
I would have liked to have seen how these two books can be applied
Perhaps the Sun Tzu portion is still yet forthcomming.. ?
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Here are a couple that I use.
“Understand yourself and understand your opponents, and in one hundred battles, you will not be defeated.”
“The battle is won or lost before the first arrow is fired.”
Here you go. It is quite a long read.
“The Art of War” is actually quite short, but it is hard to find a translation which does not include voluminous commentary.
It’s not really a long read as I recall, having read it several years ago.
Every GOP candidate should read it and become familiar with it, as well as Alinsky’s rules as one of the main tenants of the Art of War is to know your enemy and their tactics.
Example: Obama will give a speech where he will ask a rhetorical question and then answer it with two false choices, with the most reasonable answer supporting his argument.
This tactic is used over and over, yet the GOP never seems to catch on to this easily defeatable tactic.
Dallas - “Real power is something you take!”
Problem is, there are no capitalist governments willing to pay millions of we conservatives to do this. Unlike the commies.
We attempt to repel the enemy for free. Volunteer armies only work when total devastation of the enemy is not only OK but the goal.
Sun Tzu couldn’t imagine the kind of battlefield we face now.
There are a lot of things we can do on our own.
Planting the seeds of dissent is a personal favorite. I leave comments after Detroit news articles all the time. When Detroiters are complaining about the lack of police, I point to Ann Arbor where the liberals couldn’t decide to build a fountain or pay more firemen. I suggest that its kinda funny how Ann Arbor liberals have all this excess money and concern for the poor, yet aren’t real forthcoming with the cash.
I take special pleasure in pointing out that “Obama didn’t bring no bacon” on his last trip to Detroit. Instead he came to Michigan to try to protect his union friends and utterly failed PLUS ignoring the call for bacon.
Play their own games back against them.
I’m jaded, but the soap and ballot box solutions have been stolen from us in broad daylight. So....
Check this out:
Machiavelli says: ‘Yo what am I chopped liver here?’
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