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Five reasons why Windows 8 has failed
ZDNet ^ | 4 March 2013 | Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Posted on 03/05/2013 8:24:48 AM PST by ShadowAce

Windows fans will whine, but Net Applications' desktop operating systems numbers don't lie. Windows 8's pathetic user adoption numbers can't even keep up with Vista's lousy numbers. Win8vsVista
Windows 8 usage can't even keep up with Vista/s poor numbers. (Data from Net Applications)

The numbers speak for themselves. Vista, universally acknowledged as a failure, actually had significantly better adoption numbers than Windows 8. At similar points in their roll-outs, Vista had a desktop market share of 4.52% compared to Windows 8's share of 2.67%. Underlining just how poorly Windows 8's adoption has gone, Vista didn't even have the advantage of holiday season sales to boost its numbers. Tablets--and not Surface RT tablets--were what people bought last December, not Windows 8 PCs.MobileOSFeb2013
Windows 8, and its relatives Windows Phone 8 and RT, make no impression at all in the smartphone and tablet markets. (Credit: Net Applications)

Windows 8's failure is actually greater than it appears. The tablet and phone markets in 2007 were next to non-existent. Now, in a market where NPD expects tablets to out sell notebooks by year's end, neither Windows 8 nor its cousins Windows RT and Windows Phone 8 even appear on NetApplication's mobile and tablet reports for February 2013. How bad is that? Android 1.6, with is tiny 0.02% of the market, does make the list.

I predicted that Windows 8 would be dead on arrival last year, but it's flopping even more  than I thought it would be. So, why has Windows 8 been such a failure? Here's my list:

1. Metro, aka Modern: An ugly, useless interface.

I said it before, I'll say it again: Metro, or whatever you want to call it, may make an OK tablet interface, but it's ugly and useless on the desktop. It requires users to forget everything they ever learned about Windows and learn an entirely new way of doing things for no real reason. To quote a popularly held opinion, Metro is "awful." 

True, you can use a more traditional Windows interface, but you know what would have been a lot better? If Microsoft had just kept  the Windows 7 Aero interface for the desktop version of Windows 8 and give up this idea that the Metro touch-friendly interface is for every device.

2. Windows 8 brought nothing innovative to the desktop.

Can you tell me one new thing that Windows 8 brought to the desktop that was truly innovative? Exciting? Engaging? I can't. Windows 8 is faster than Windows 7, but that's about it -- and that dual interface mess makes it slower for practical purposes.

3. Developers hate it.

I said all along programmers wouldn't like throwing out their hard-won .NET, Windows Communication Foundation (WCF) and Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) expertise to work natively on Windows 8. I was right. Gabe Newell, co-founder and managing director of video game company Valve, said it best: "Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space." He then started moving his Steam game empire to Linux.

4. Legacy Windows 7 users aren't moving.

We saw this happen before with Vista and XP. Then, as now, the new operating system -- Vista -- was not  better than the old operating system -- XP -- so very few people moved to it. We're seeing it again now.

In addition, in an economy that's still not moving forward quickly, who really wants to move from tried-and-true Windows 7 to new, expensive Windows 8 PCs? As Sterne Agee analyst Shaw Wu observed, the $500 to $1200 price tags slapped on Windows 8 hardware makes it "uncompetitive" in a world where people want iPads and Android tablets. 

5. Tablet, smartphone, and desktop competition.

If you are going to buy a new computing device in 2013, chances are it's going to be an Apple iPad, an inexpensive Android tablet, or a Chromebook. The PC desktop isn't dead, but it's not very profitable either -- and Windows 8 isn't helping PC sales.

Microsoft has to know this. If Microsoft does indeed start selling, or rather renting, Microsoft Office for iPad, you'll know they've seen the light. Microsoft's future then will not lie in operating system and application sales, but in services.

And Windows 8? Like Vista before it, Microsoft will re-release an older version of Windows, Windows 7 this time instead of XP, and start talking about wonderful Windows Blue, the next version of Windows, will be.


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1 posted on 03/05/2013 8:25:00 AM PST by ShadowAce
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2 posted on 03/05/2013 8:25:43 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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3 posted on 03/05/2013 8:26:51 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Apple is going to start coming up against this as well.....The stuff they build now will be “good enough” for years....10 years ago, things changed so quickly and new value was indeed added with each upgrade....Now, not so much.


4 posted on 03/05/2013 8:27:16 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ShadowAce

I can think of one reason: Steve Ballmer

Last night I saw a commercial where they actually had to explain how to use Win8. I knew then, it was over.


5 posted on 03/05/2013 8:28:01 AM PST by CityCenter (No matter how good your PR is, you can't outsmart the truth.)
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To: CityCenter

I don’t really have a dog in the fight, but I’ve been to a local mall twice in the last 3 months.

The Apple store looks like a Nike shoe riot, and the loneliest guy in town is the fellow running the Microsoft Surface kiosk.


6 posted on 03/05/2013 8:31:15 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: CityCenter

When you starting airing commercials saying that Best Buy Blue Shirts like it, it’s gotta be awful


7 posted on 03/05/2013 8:32:05 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: nascarnation

The power of marketing.


8 posted on 03/05/2013 8:32:55 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ShadowAce

This entire idea that you can build an OS on a desktop, then port it to a mobile device, is a failure.

Whether they like it or not, a desktop computer and a mobile device serve different functions. Sure, some are the same, like email for instance.

But as far as powerful CPU speeds, memory, and high end display, a desktop is a desktop, a mobile device is a toy.


9 posted on 03/05/2013 8:33:11 AM PST by djf (I don't want to be safe. I want to be FREE!)
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To: ShadowAce

I decide to buy a new laptop recently before they all had secure boot, and it came with winblows 8, and boy does it suck big time. With Secure Boot turned off in bios, No matter what I tried it would not let me install Linux, or a different version of winblows. I Took it back and exchanged for one with Win7, formatted and installed Ubuntu. Screw Winblows.


10 posted on 03/05/2013 8:35:10 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: ShadowAce
Think I'll coin a new phrase

Windows Derangement Syndrome

How bad do you have it?

11 posted on 03/05/2013 8:35:39 AM PST by McGruff (You are either with us or you are with the RINOs.)
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To: CityCenter

exactly...

And BTW, I love Windows 7..and I love having a desktop at home as well as my wife and I iPhones and a iPad..

I like using a mouse.. I like storing things to folders, extra hardrives ...etc... I find that quite easy on Windows 7 which was a godsend after Windows XP.

If we are sitting at the TV, we use a cellphone or an iPad to check headlines... but I still love going to the other room to sit at the computer... I suppose that’s old school.


12 posted on 03/05/2013 8:36:46 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: djf

Exactly.

Recently, I had to buy a new laptop. I was out of town and my Vaio died. At the store, I was confronted by a myriad of new laptops. The salesperson showed me Windows 8. It looked like my smart phone.

I already have a smart phone. I already have a tablet.

I want a computer.

I bought one of only two laptops left in the store with Windows 7, and haven’t regretted my decision.


13 posted on 03/05/2013 8:38:32 AM PST by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: ShadowAce

Not only do I hate the new way of doing things in widows 8, but I can’t get firefox to work with it without crashing all the time. And I hate all the other browsers.


14 posted on 03/05/2013 8:40:36 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: ShadowAce

I think it’s too many new OSes too soon. Only serious tech dweebs upgrade the OS on a machine that’s already working, new OSes are for new machines. As the technology jumps slow down people hold onto PCs longer new OSes will take longer to get traction.


15 posted on 03/05/2013 8:40:46 AM PST by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: McGruff
I hate the company behind it.

It's a liberal cesspool of pro-death, pro-fascism, pro-Obama maggots that believe they own your hardware.

16 posted on 03/05/2013 8:40:57 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

If you have to use Windows 8 on a desktop, take a few minutes to learn some keyboard shortcuts like WIN+X, and you’ll need the old standby, ALT+F4 to close a window.

Just a few of these will help you maintain your sanity.


17 posted on 03/05/2013 8:41:29 AM PST by expat1000
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To: ShadowAce

It’s okay if you run it on a tablet or phone, but it really sucks on a something without a touchscreen. XP is about as far as I go with windows, because the OS’s keep “obsolete-ing” the motion control and CAD/CAM software that I run.


18 posted on 03/05/2013 8:43:18 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: ShadowAce

Just took delivery of a new toshiba laptop a couple days ago, first new comp since early vista. My initial impression of W8 was, this really sux. After a few days my opinion hasnt changed


19 posted on 03/05/2013 8:45:46 AM PST by orlop9
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To: ShadowAce

lol!

They never quit, don’t they?

Keep telling the same “it’s failed” story in hopes someone other than the loons buy it.

meanwhile, its usage keeps going up.


20 posted on 03/05/2013 8:46:13 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Chuzzlewit

When any sizable portion of your user base refuses to upgrade and when they need new hardware demands the old OS you’re cooked.

No way I would upgrade and damned if I wouldn’t try like hell to get Win 7 instead of 8 if I had to get a new machine.

I looked at this thing and though “Who the hell wants a touch screen interface on a desktop?”

Seems tons of people agree with me.


21 posted on 03/05/2013 8:47:01 AM PST by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: ShadowAce

It’s terrible. It came with a new notebook I got about a month ago.

It gets frequent BSOD’s while using Chrome or Firefox with just basic web page browsing. No viruses, no malware, no spyware, clean system that just doesn’t play well with basic internet surfing. More complex internet apps seem to work great though.../boggle

The Metro interface is a clunky mess at best on a notebook/desktop platform and couldn’t compete with Android on a tablet. Legacy apps that worked fine on Vista or Win7 have more problems working on 8 than old 95/98 apps had working on Vista.

I actually had to google how to do basic computer things like closing a program and properly turning off the computer. The only good thing about Metro is the search function is great...which ironically never worked properly on previous versions of windows.

Decided I had to go back to windows 7 but unfortunately since you don’t actually get install discs anymore I can’t just install a windows 7 with license I have unused on an old computer, so will probably have to go to grey market sources for the install disc and use on of my legitimate licenses.

I want to smash Windows 8 far more than I ever wanted to smash Vista, and I don’t think any amount of “service packs” are going to solve some of the problems.


22 posted on 03/05/2013 8:47:01 AM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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23 posted on 03/05/2013 8:47:57 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

At some point, if for nothing else than the PR value, Bill Gates is going to have to return.


24 posted on 03/05/2013 8:48:35 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ShadowAce

This is highly topical for me, as I just started using a Windows 8 tablet today. I can run all my office apps and I’ve got all that one-touch connectivity.

Very nice!


25 posted on 03/05/2013 8:49:06 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: ShadowAce
When Vista came out whenever there was a thread (here and many other forums) where people complained that it sucked, the Microsoft vendors & salesmen would spam it claiming Vista was really wonderful and the people were just too stupid to realize how great it was.

I haven't seen them do that much with Windows 8, so I guess even they realize it is a turd.

26 posted on 03/05/2013 8:51:59 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: ShadowAce
I spend enough time already fighting against Windows 7 to get my work done.
Windows XP to Windows 7 was bad enough, when they started to hide stuff I used to be reasonably fluent in using.
I don't have TIME to learn a whole new user interface where I can't even FIND the crappy tools that I've somehow gotten used to.

They spend too much time on making it nice for people who play games or surf social sites and too little on people who have to do actual WORK on the computers.

27 posted on 03/05/2013 8:52:16 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: ShadowAce

I’ll be staying with Win-7 Pro 64-bit, until they carry me out in a bag, feet first. Plenty of OEM CDs, a couple of Upgrades, and Win-Xp Pro to upgrade from, if needed. Bite it, 8!


28 posted on 03/05/2013 8:54:35 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s Are The 21st Century's Muskets. Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!)
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To: ShadowAce
4. Legacy Windows 7 users aren't moving.

I think this is the most important one on the list. Windows 7 is a solid, fairly usable OS. Windows 8 offers no compelling reason for anyone to upgrade from Windows 7, and anyone looking to upgrade from XP or Vista has likely already gone to Windows 7.

Someone upthread mentioned Mac/OS X -- for better or worse, Apple has decided to go with smaller, more frequent, and cheaper upgrades. That means fewer bells and whistles with each new version, giving the (correct, IMO) impression of incremental upgrades rather than anything to specifically crow about. It's quite possible to skip an upgrade or two and still be using most of the latest and greatest stuff (though I do need to do the Lion -> Mointain Lion update at some point to get full benefit of Mac/iPhone synchronization).

29 posted on 03/05/2013 8:55:02 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: nascarnation
The Apple store looks like a Nike shoe riot

The same crowds at the Apple store also line up to vote for Obama thus proving that Apple users are dumbasses.

30 posted on 03/05/2013 8:55:13 AM PST by The Iceman Cometh (Proud Teabagging Barbarian Terrorist Hobbit Crazy Cracker Son-of-a-Bitch!)
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To: kevkrom

I can’t imagine business users being forced to use 8. Productivity would crash in a free fall.


31 posted on 03/05/2013 8:57:43 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: The Iceman Cometh

I’m sure as a FReeper you understand the only “FR acceptable” platform is Linux, LOL.


32 posted on 03/05/2013 8:58:26 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: VanDeKoik
lol! They never quit, don’t they? Keep telling the same “it’s failed” story in hopes someone other than the loons buy it. meanwhile, its usage keeps going up.

While I agree that it's a tad early to claim "it's failed", the article does provide this rather compelling data:

Its usage is going up, but it still lags the much-maligned Vista (a/k/a "best thing to ever happen to iMac") in adoption. That can't be a good sign.

33 posted on 03/05/2013 8:59:39 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: ShadowAce

“You think you hate it now, wait til you use it.”


34 posted on 03/05/2013 9:00:52 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ShadowAce
I can’t imagine business users being forced to use 8. Productivity would crash in a free fall.

Hopefully, businesses will have learned the lessons from the completely pointless "ribbon" "upgrade" for Office some years back, that completely changed the Office UI for no good reason.

35 posted on 03/05/2013 9:01:37 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: discostu
I think it’s too many new OSes too soon

And there it is. You've hit the nail on the head, Stu.

Microsoft is adopting this garbage, Agile (project management) style of development, and now they're pushing out unfinished garbage instead of polished software.

I'm actually a bit incensed by the characterization of Win7 as "legacy." Windows 7 is far and away the best operating system Microsoft's put out since Windows XP. It's stable, universally accepted, easy to configure, and it's functional. They're trying to compete with Apple in ways that Apple dominates the market while neglecting everything they've done right in the last 10 years.

Vista was an unmitigated disaster, and the fact that MS was so quick to market with Win8 after Win7 was just beginning to show strong market adoption indicates to me that they're competing with market forces in an attempt to "dominate," but the fact remains that Windows is not and never will be an accepted mobile platform, something they've been trying for years but never manage to get off the ground.

To make matters worse, Microsoft is pushing Server 2012, which provides very little in the way of upgrades to Server 2008 R2, and it comes with a touchscreen interface native, something that no server engineer, myself included, wants to deal with considering most servers are installed in racks inside of lights-out datacenters.

And finally, the coup de grace to Microsoft's stupidity is this very hard push on enterprises toward Office 365 and Azure, both cloud platform "applications as a service" that have proven to be costly to early-adopters due to outages caused by network latency and even outright downtimes.

Microsoft seems to be pushing to maintain some level of market relevance in a market that's not trying to make them irrelevant. They fit in their very neat little position as workstation (desktop & laptop) OS leader and dominant server OS across most major IT organizations. Why it is that they'd push their users (consumer and enterprise) into products that they don't want or need it beyond my understanding. Microsoft needs to innovate on existing products and provide feature enhancements such as better integration with smart devices (i.e. televisions, media centers, etc.), better gaming experience (native graphics APIs and platform enhancements), and support for the newest devices such as graphics cards, SSDs, and biometric devices.

Windows will continue to dominate the desktop market, even with the abysmal performance of Vista and Win8, but if they continue to pump out garbage from Redmond and Chennai, they're going to find more people going to OSX and Linux platforms before considering that discount laptop with Windows 8.

36 posted on 03/05/2013 9:02:12 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: ShadowAce

I am happy with Windows 8 except it has disabled all of my built in card readers on all of my computers.


37 posted on 03/05/2013 9:02:29 AM PST by Mountain Bike Vomit Carnage (Bring back King George III, all he tried to tax was the tea.)
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To: ShadowAce

I bought a Dell laptop for my wife, it came with W8, I sent it back after 3 days. After a week of looking, I found the same machine with W8 and bought it.

W8 wanted me to abandon my POP3 email I had for over 20 years, save my stuff to the “cloud”, and there was no start button.

I’ve figured out every version since W3.0, but this new thing was totally unusable for me. I have no patience for those who change things just for the sake of change.

In short, Windows 8 sucks!


38 posted on 03/05/2013 9:02:43 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: ShadowAce

> It’s a liberal cesspool of pro-death, pro-fascism,
> pro-Obama maggots that believe they own your hardware.

This is true for Microsoft, Apple AND Google.

Of the three, Google is the worst, because its Android OS is really just a phishing expedition. Don’t you know why you must have a Google account to operate your Android appliance? Virtually every keystroke you make is echoed to a Google archive. Even worse, Google freely hands over data to the communist US government.

Buy a computer that has a flavor of Linux pre-installed, or buy one without an OS and install Linux on it.

As much as is humanly possible, do NOT do business with companies that support all the things you oppose and oppose all the things you support.


39 posted on 03/05/2013 9:04:04 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
I looked at this thing and though “Who the hell wants a touch screen interface on a desktop?”

That is my opinion, too. Touch screen for 'real' computing just doesn't seem practical for a work environment.

Right now, my home desktop screen (24" monitor) is nearly 40 inches away from my body. It would seem impractical, awkward, and difficult to have to do my computing via touch screen.


40 posted on 03/05/2013 9:04:30 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

It’s all part of MooseChelle’s “Let’s Move” program.


41 posted on 03/05/2013 9:06:10 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: agere_contra

“This is highly topical for me, as I just started using a Windows 8 tablet today. I can run all my office apps and I’ve got all that one-touch connectivity.

Very nice!”

I have to agree with the above post. My wife and I purchased 2 HP 23 inch touch screen PCs to replace our 6 and 8 year old desk tops running XP. As this also resulted in our having to replace Office 2003 with Office 2010, we were expecting bad experiences. What we have found is that Windows 8 has been easy to use once you learn the various shortcuts. Plus, it is good at self-diagnosing and correcting problems. We also found the move to Office 2010 quite easy. Both of us are long time users of PCs.

As to crashes and other experiences listed, we have had none. I use Firefox and it works just fine.

On the other hand, we spent some time at Best Buy researching tablets, thinking that the Surface Pro which runs the full Windows 8 might be a good choice for tablet use. Wow, the weight of it is staggering compared to other tablets, and it is larger as well. Plus the price. Same goes for the Apple Ipad as to price. It looks like we will be purchasing two Samsung tablets but have not decided as to full size or mini.


42 posted on 03/05/2013 9:08:33 AM PST by CdMGuy
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To: ShadowAce
It's a liberal cesspool of pro-death, pro-fascism, pro-Obama maggots that believe they own your hardware.

Are you talking about MicroSloth, Abfal, or Scroogle?

43 posted on 03/05/2013 9:09:01 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ShadowAce

Because it sucks and the interface is to Darwin.

I prefer Paleo Windows and my next computers, PDA, tablets, etc will get divorced from MicroSuck® everything.

I’d rather use less bloated OS and Office.


44 posted on 03/05/2013 9:10:49 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: rarestia

MS has a history of over correcting. They allowed XP to hang around too long, now they’re kicking out OSes too fast. While I don’t like the look of the metro interface I understand the concept and I think it’s a good idea, we know that most users use less than half a dozen apps regularly, might as well make it super easy for the user to get to them, it’s the quick launch bar writ large. But it’s also really an FP1 feature not a new release feature.

I don’t throw much blame at them for 365 and azure. I don’t like them as I think the cloud is overrated, but I don’t blame a company for being buzzword compliant. And they don’t seem to me to be any worse than anybody else’s cloud solutions.


45 posted on 03/05/2013 9:11:05 AM PST by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

LOL! Take your pick.


46 posted on 03/05/2013 9:11:57 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

You can use Windows 8 in desktop mode. It is almost identical to windows 7. Trying to use the new mobile interface on a desktop is next to useless especially if your desktop doesn’t support swipe technology.


47 posted on 03/05/2013 9:13:26 AM PST by PJammers (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: eyeamok

How does that work?

They actually locked you into Bill OS and you couldn’t install Linux?


48 posted on 03/05/2013 9:13:51 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: ShadowAce

Hell, Windows XP users are not moving. I just bought my wife a new laptop - with Windows XP Professional.
Windows Vista, 7, and 8, stink on ice.


49 posted on 03/05/2013 9:13:51 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Touch screen is optional and I don’t use it.


50 posted on 03/05/2013 9:13:59 AM PST by TheOldLady
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