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Lake City Ammunition Plant offers layoffs (Missouri)
kmbc ^ | Mar 07, 2013

Posted on 03/07/2013 9:44:35 AM PST by JoeProBono

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To: JoeProBono

They need to start making .22 long rifle hollow points, they will never run out of work.


21 posted on 03/07/2013 12:13:10 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

A good .22 with a good scope will reach out a lot further than most people suspect. The little rimfire scopes are almost useless.


22 posted on 03/07/2013 12:16:25 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: saleman

I understand all that...it is why I stipulated “seconds” or overage, or QC’d - quality control..... This ammo I’ve bought that was seconded was largely cosmetic...works fine.

I also am very familiar betweent he difference between .223 and 5.56 mm.... the latter has higher chamber pressure and a longer “leade”....I’ve had arguments about this before but there IS a difference. The “leade” is a difference in case length at the neck and relates to the chamber reaming in the barrel....you can google the SAAMI specs on the two and readily see the difference.

If your barrel doesn’t say 5.56mm don’t shoot that ammo, period... Some say Bushmaster rifles can shoot either, but I wouldn’t try it. I’ve got a 1970 AR-15 COLT SP-1 that has .223 on it and I won’t even try the 5.56 surplus in it, even though the old wives say all early Colts were 223/5.56 optional.


23 posted on 03/07/2013 12:26:20 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
.22LR LETHALITY - 300 Yard Ballistics Test
24 posted on 03/07/2013 12:28:11 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: saleman

Back when there was plenty of 5.56 NATO ammo to be had, there were ads advertising “Made at Lake City ammo plant to Federal’s specifications for commercial ammo...”, or some similar words to that effect.


25 posted on 03/07/2013 12:31:11 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Gaffer
I’ve got a 1970 AR-15 COLT SP-1 that has .223 on it and I won’t even try the 5.56 surplus in it, even though the old wives say all early Colts were 223/5.56 optional.

There's a specific hand-turned reamer that cuts only the leade / throat area of a .223 chamber to 5.56 NATO specs. It doesn't mess with headspace because the cartridge neck area is not changed. You just oil it, drop it in and turn it until you feel it turn smoothly (cutting completed).

26 posted on 03/07/2013 12:40:30 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
How far will a .22 LR Kill?
27 posted on 03/07/2013 12:44:44 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Cost of centerfire ammo has, for some time, made 22LR the ammo of choice for regular practice. I had already gotten to doing 75% of my rifle practice with my 22 and a smaller amount with my other calibers. That would partly account for higher demand for 22LR.

However, 22LR are cranked out in huge quantities and the amount showing up on the retail market at any price is almost nothing. Logic says that we should be having higher prices but still reasonable availability. Not the case, you can’t get target grade 22LR at any price. Production is either way down, or a huge amount is vanishing when it leaves the mfg. I’m not making up conspiracy theories, but anecdotal evidence says that the quantity reaching the retail markets is a fraction of a year ago. A very small fraction. So, if production hasn’t dropped, where is it? There ought to be a crapload out there for $50 a brick. There isn’t.


28 posted on 03/07/2013 12:45:25 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Gaffer
I've had guys at the shooting range, picking up brass, say they've been reloading for years...and still claim .223 and 5.56 are the same. I just shrug my shoulders. Both my Ar's are marked 5.56. Still AFAIK, no one but Govt plants load 5.56. Why is that? Is there some kinda law or something against anyone else loading the slightly hotter load? I know the ss and m loads are what the “guys in the know” prefer so it would seem there would be plenty of market for them.
29 posted on 03/07/2013 12:55:10 PM PST by saleman
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To: Charles Martel

You can do that. Just don’t try to load 5.56 in a .223 chamber. Pressure Likely it won’t do much. But I won’t try it. Certainly not a wholesale switch. Reloading and k owing what you’re doing is a different story.


30 posted on 03/07/2013 1:11:59 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: saleman

I’ve goat a lot of Guatemalan surplus. Shoots real good.


31 posted on 03/07/2013 1:13:38 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: ChildOfThe60s
However, 22LR are cranked out in huge quantities and the amount showing up on the retail market at any price is almost nothing.

CCI in Idaho can make over a million rounds a day, and they're just one manufacturer.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=CCI+ammunition+production+video&mid=B0BD3C4FC84F5CCBC105B0BD3C4FC84F5CCBC105&view=detail&FORM=VIRE2

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=.22Long+rifle+ammunition+manufacture+(part+2+of+2)&view=detail&mid=F1148A4CB76BA53351C5F1148A4CB76BA53351C5&first=0&FORM=NVPFVR

32 posted on 03/07/2013 1:37:43 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: Gaffer
Yep, the .223 in a 5.56 chamber is okay, but that's a one-way street. That's why I mentioned the reamer and modifying the SP1's chamber. Should the military-spec 5.56 be the only stuff around, it'd be nice to have faith that it was safe to use in your rifle.

It's basically the same thing I had done to my dad's old 20-gauge side-by-side years ago. That shotgun was designed for paper shells and fiber shot wads; the plastic shot cups in modern shotshells call for a more gradual forcing cone (shotgun version of "leade"). That simple mod made the gun pattern better and reduced the plastic fouling in the bore.

33 posted on 03/07/2013 1:57:54 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: IYAS9YAS
However, 22LR are cranked out in huge quantities and the amount showing up on the retail market at any price is almost nothing.

CCI in Idaho can make over a million rounds a day, and they're just one manufacturer.

So, do you have any theories?

34 posted on 03/07/2013 2:10:22 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: JoeProBono

I knew a guy that had owned the cabinet chest company that made the ammo cases that Lake City liked and specified. He sold is company for a fortune in the mid 1970s and lived another 40 years on what he made.


35 posted on 03/07/2013 2:16:22 PM PST by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
So, do you have any theories?

Yeah, they range from complete whack-job, to normal and mundane. The complete whack-job theory is that someone's pressuring them to reduce production, and telling them not to be public with it. There don't appear to be any recent government contract stories on .22LR.

The mundane is that, with the rising cost of everything else, folks are turning to .22LR for practice and plinking.

Combine that with the increased real fear of infringement of rights/societal breakdown and folks are simply stripping the shelves bare of anything they can get their hands on.

36 posted on 03/07/2013 2:20:48 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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