Posted on 03/15/2013 7:37:13 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Joe Grappa says:
Why do you introduce the article using ‘CE’ instead of ‘AD’? Why would anybody in Europe or countries settled by Europeans use such a peculiar dating terminology?
Why not write it as 774-775 AD, which is used by 99 percent of us?
No matter what somebody’s own religion / culture, if he wants to cater to his audience, he uses the dating scheme that is ingrained in its culture. To use this ‘CE’ nonsense is an insult to the people he is talking to.
I like that one.
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Anyone know of any human perturbations around this time period, Famine, pestilence, etc? Any historians out there that can wade in on this comment?
Many Google hits refer to mention of an astronomical event in the Saxon chronicles for that year, when a “red crucifix” is seen in the sky. Also to Song of Roland episode when Charlemagne begs God to make the sun stand still so he may pursue his enemies in daylight.
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Duster says:
The entire second half of the first millennium CE is chaotic. It has been suggested that Krakatoa may have erupted on an even greater scale than the 1883 eruption in 535 CE. There is abundant historical evidence of a profound cooling event similar to the effects of the Laki eruption in Iceland in the 18th C. The chill apparently didn’t last long and regionally there are records of both drought and flood. In California the Sierra Nevada are nearly depopulated. Developing cultural patterns are terminated and a near-hiatus in the Sierran archaeological record lasts at least a couple of centuries. Historical documents place the main event at 535 CE, but there is no record of the precise location, unsurprising, since being near enough to know what went up would have been fatal. Following that initial event the plague passes through at least three major cycles. Christian and Muslim shills sell the terrible weather as the punishment of God/Allah and drum up some major business and also blame the bad times on each other. This is followed by the Medieval Warm Period. Interestingly, the first half of the same millennium sees cooling from the Roman Warm period that is comparable to the LIA.
“To use this ‘CE’ nonsense is an insult to the people he is talking to.”
Agreed.
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Mike McMillan says:
Perhaps the 14C effect could have been achieved by a series of smaller proton events, rather than one large burst.
I note that the politically correct AGU uses Christian Era years, where the abstract uses Anno Domini years. Extra credit to Thomas et al. for placing the AD as a prefix.
Thank you.
Reading further in the comments....one more:
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Duster says:
Joe Grappa says:
March 12, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Why do you introduce the article using ‘CE’ instead of ‘AD’? Why would anybody in Europe or countries settled by Europeans use such a peculiar dating terminology?
Why not write it as 774-775 AD, which is used by 99 percent of us?
No matter what somebody’s own religion / culture, if he wants to cater to his audience, he uses the dating scheme that is ingrained in its culture. To use this ‘CE’ nonsense is an insult to the people he is talking to.
Joe, the odds are you’re wrong about what dating systems the majority of readers use given WUWT’s global viewership. Even here in the USofA some of us find the use of AD presumptuous. BTW, the “AD” precedes the year number in proper usage. It would properly be “AD 774-775.” Use it backward around a classicist or two and they won’t hesitate to set you straight and accuse you of parochialism as well. Happened to me in Israel. So another good reason to use “CE” is because it is a simple, proper English usage, as opposed to an inverted Latinism, without built-in religious assumptions that irritate Muslims, and make Buddhists smile, while Hindus simply shake their heads.
“...assumptions that irritate Muslims...”
Sounds great to me.
Christian Era. ;)
B.C.E. = Before Christian Era
Work with me, folks, I'm going to use the methods of the left to singlehandedly annoy 'em and REDEFIINE THEIR OWN TERMS BACK ON THEM! ;)
Sounds good.
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