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Researcher points to Sun as likely source of eighth-century 'Charlemagne event'
PhysOrg ^ | 11-20-2012

Posted on 12/12/2012 5:34:52 AM PST by Renfield

(Phys.org)—Until recently, the years 774 and 775 were best known for Charlemagne's victory over the Lombards. But earlier this year, a team of scientists in Japan discovered a baffling spike in carbon-14 deposits within the rings of cedar trees that matched those same years. Because cosmic rays are tied to carbon-14 concentrations, scientists around the world have wondered about the cause: a nearby supernova, a gamma ray burst in the Milky Way or an intense superflare emanating from the Sun?

Now, Adrian Melott, professor of physics and astronomy at the University of Kansas and Brian Thomas, KU alumnus and professor of physics and astronomy at Washburn University, have examined the evidence and zeroed in on the likely source of the medieval cosmic ray bombardment—a coronal mass ejection from the Sun.

Melott said the scientists, who originally discovered the carbon-14 spike and published their findings in the journal Nature, miscalculated the implied intensity of such an event, and they mistakenly ruled out the Sun as the cause of the radiation detected for the years 774-775....

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TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: adrianmelott; brianthomas; catastrophism; charlemagne; cmes; franks; fusamiyake; gammaray; gammarays; godsgravesglyphs; radiation; ralphneuhauser; valerihambarya; valerihambaryan

1 posted on 12/12/2012 5:35:02 AM PST by Renfield
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To: Renfield

Blinded by the light ?


2 posted on 12/12/2012 5:45:52 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Renfield

Great find! Thanks.


3 posted on 12/12/2012 5:53:03 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Renfield

When in doubt the answer is the Sun. Always.

But... before this happens again we need to pass a Cap Coronal Mass Ejection From The Sun Bill.


4 posted on 12/12/2012 5:53:46 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything... IS... a conspiracy)
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To: Renfield

Is there a solar event ping list? Should be.


5 posted on 12/12/2012 6:00:00 AM PST by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningful to say)
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To: Renfield

If this is true, doesn’t this screw up a lot of the carbon dating that has been performed?


6 posted on 12/12/2012 6:03:10 AM PST by kidd
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To: kidd

No- they match tree ring counts to teh C14 in the ring, variations are calibrated out. They also look at Be7 and Be10, other indicators of solar activity.


7 posted on 12/12/2012 6:32:37 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Renfield

Great posts 1-6. Agree with all of them. It’s like when evolutionists look for the creation event (Big Bang etc.), they first rule OUT God. It can’t be God....It can’t be the sun.... keep looking.

Like I always say, puny humans can not affect the global environment. It takes titanic (huge or colossal) events like major volcanic eruptions or major solar eruptions to impact the earth in a global manner.

God has such power, not man. Like the BP oil spill (the epic disaster that never was), man was checking cleanup workers life vests, while God was creating a multitude of bacteria to eat it all up.

Let God handle all things of magnitude. Man can do nothing about them anyway. God will handle it or not as is His will.

The arrogance of man is limitless.


8 posted on 12/12/2012 6:53:05 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: vanilla swirl

There is a “Catastrophism” ping list, run by SunkenCiv, that is the natural home for articles about Coronal Mass Ejections.


9 posted on 12/12/2012 7:00:26 AM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: knarf

Get it on, Kid Charlemagne.


10 posted on 12/12/2012 7:04:24 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: DBrow

Thanks. Sounds like the science is solid.


11 posted on 12/12/2012 7:09:30 AM PST by kidd
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To: dfwgator

My favorite dan album. Thanks for the memories!


12 posted on 12/12/2012 7:20:14 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: Renfield

I think these scientists are nuts. Clearly the increase in Carbon 14 was due to mankind. All those wood fires and blacksmithing and unsanitary conditions lead to the Earth revolting. And what is the common thread? I betcha ole King Charlamagne did squat to establish a place in his court for an environmental duke. Every time government fails to regulate, we get catastrophe, like what happened to those poor dinosaurs /s*

*I say “/s” but the sad part is that this is probably what our children are being taught in school.


13 posted on 12/12/2012 7:23:41 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: knarf

Cut loose like a deuce another runner in the night.


14 posted on 12/12/2012 7:27:17 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred.)
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To: ILS21R
...before this happens again we need to pass a Cap Coronal Mass Ejection From The Sun Bill.

No worries, Mate. You'll be able to buy CME credits on the CME exchange from those who don't use all of theirs. Al Gore will collect the brokerage fee.

15 posted on 12/12/2012 7:29:26 AM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? [NRA Life Member])
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I have NEVER been able to discern those words ... if that’s your REAL name ...


16 posted on 12/12/2012 7:45:41 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf
I have NEVER been able to discern those words ... if that’s your REAL name ...

Those are the actual lyrics from Blinded By The Light. And...no...Bloody Sam Roberts is not my real name....if that's what you meant.

17 posted on 12/12/2012 8:03:14 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Actually, as I was typing my reply, I had Glenn Beck in the background and "if that's your real name" just popped into my head.

After I hit 'post' I thought .. "That is REALLY a stupid thing to say ... it doesn't fit"

Chalk it up to an idiot phrase that made no sense to me nor you.

18 posted on 12/12/2012 8:34:10 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: ILS21R
before this happens again we need to pass a Cap Coronal Mass Ejection From The Sun Bill.

Yeah, and that bill needs to include additional taxes on the rich to pay for its implementation, as well as a special office to oversee development of software to predict these terrible events caused by the Republican party.

19 posted on 12/12/2012 8:39:57 AM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: kidd

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/Uh_Yeah.mp3


20 posted on 12/12/2012 8:41:17 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: knarf
No worries. I work at 3 computers all day and am often working on remote systems with headphones on most of the day.

I have been known to type in a Joe Bonamassa lyric or two onto a command line interface.

21 posted on 12/12/2012 9:07:13 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred.)
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To: Renfield
... earlier this year, a team of scientists in Japan discovered a baffling spike in carbon-14 deposits within the rings of cedar trees that matched those same years. Because cosmic rays are tied to carbon-14 concentrations, scientists around the world have wondered about the cause: a nearby supernova, a gamma ray burst in the Milky Way or an intense superflare emanating from the Sun?


22 posted on 12/12/2012 9:56:39 AM PST by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: Renfield

Ancestor of Bush’s fault


24 posted on 12/12/2012 12:55:59 PM PST by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: vanilla swirl; Renfield; Ernest_at_the_Beach

There’s also Ernest’s list about CME, hmm, okay, maybe that’s not exactly what that list is about, but it definitely includes CMEs.


25 posted on 12/15/2012 10:08:22 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Renfield; 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; ...

Thanks Renfield.


26 posted on 12/15/2012 11:02:34 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Renfield.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


27 posted on 12/15/2012 11:03:25 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Renfield
This brings to mind another post I just finished scanning on the GGG ping list; something about scientism. Anyhow, from this article:
"But in order to produce effects like the ones seen in the tree rings, such a supernova would have had to have been within 100 light years or so. Such an event would have been blindingly bright in the sky, much brighter than a full moon. It would have been bright like that for months and could not have failed to be noted by every civilization on Earth. Being so close, there would be remnants of the explosion visible today, still expanding. Something so close could not have been missed."
Velikovsky, amongst others, from accounts of austensibly drunk shaman and wild eyed witch doctors long before his and our time noted MANY such phenomena in the heavens. Along with a good deal of contemporaneous nastiness on earth. Were they all a bunch of Neanderthal twits??? The arrogance of today's scientific community™ is their belief that earlier humans couldn't tell the difference between the sun and a large campfire.

I may be missing something here but from what I've been able to gather from the little reading I've done re gamma ray bursts is that the part we SEE that could affect us can last from fractions of a second to several minutes; then they're gone. Like they were never even there??? The author(s) may be assuming that every supernova explosion leaves a lasting impression. Maybe they do; maybe they don't...

That being said, our sun very likely produces some spectacular, even devastating fireworks from time to time.

28 posted on 12/18/2012 5:45:04 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (2C7:14 If my people..shall humble themselves and pray..I will hear from heaven..and heal their land.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Yes, and we’re about due for another “Carrington event”...and our idiots in the Senate voted down the bill that would have mandated hardening of the electrical grid.

By the way, have you watched David Talbot’s “Symbols of an Alien Sky” videos? Check him out on YouTube if you haven’t already.


29 posted on 12/19/2012 3:52:02 AM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

Can’t recall if I’ve seen that particular segment of his but I’ll check it out. The electric universe is alive and well, eh???


30 posted on 12/19/2012 7:25:22 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (2C7:14 If my people..shall humble themselves and pray..I will hear from heaven..and heal their land.)
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