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Neuroaesthetics is killing your soul
nature.com ^ | 22 March 2013 | Philip Ball

Posted on 03/24/2013 7:43:42 AM PDT by BenLurkin

“It is only by understanding the neural laws that dictate human activity in all spheres — in law, morality, religion and even economics and politics, no less than in art — that we can ever hope to achieve a more proper understanding of the nature of man.”

to suggest that the human brain responds in a particular way to art risks creating criteria of right or wrong, either in the art itself or in individual reactions to it. .... experience suggests that scientists studying art find it hard to resist drawing up rules for critical judgements. The chemist and Nobel laureate Wilhelm Ostwald, a competent amateur painter, devised an influential theory of colour in the early twentieth century that led him to declare that Titian had once used the ‘wrong’ blue. Paul Klee, whose intuitive handling of colour was impeccable, spoke for many artists in his response to such hubris

But the problem runs deeper, because equating an appreciation of art with an appreciation of beauty is misleading. A concept of beauty (not necessarily ours today) was certainly important for, say, Renaissance artists, but until recently it had almost vanished from the discourse of contemporary art. Those who like the works of Marcel Duchamp, Joseph Beuys or Robert Rauschenberg generally do not appreciate them for their beauty. Scientists as a whole have always had conservative artistic tastes; a quest for beauty betrays that little has changed.

Even the narrower matter of aesthetics is not only about beauty. It has conventionally also concerned taste and judgement. Egalitarian scientists have a healthy scepticism of such potentially elitist ideas, and it is true that arbiters of taste may be blinkered and dogmatic: witness, for example, the blanket dismissal of jazz by Theodor Adorno, a champion of modernism.

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But the point is not whether aesthetes are right or wrong, but whether they can offer us stimulating and original ways of seeing, listening and experiencing.

No thanks. Keep it to yourselves.

1 posted on 03/24/2013 7:43:42 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
1) Art can make you admire the Creator -- This aims at Joy, such as Beethoven's "Ode to Joy".
2) Art can make you admire the Creation -- ultimately, this results in sadness and loss. The transient nature of things becomes apparent when we focus on the Creation. In some cases (such as some Blues) this can help us focus of that which is not passing (see #1). In other cases, such as Michael Jackson, it allows us to wallow in the illusion of happiness within this passing world, and this can be our downfall.
3) Art can make you admire yourself -- this is Pride. This is sin. It is unavoidable, but we should be aware when we put ourselves on a pedestal, we set ourselves up as God and this is how we are lost. Much of Modern Art takes this form: "I'm so clever, I'm so sophisticated. I like splattered paint, if you do not see the beauty, it is because you are not at my level." Serrano's "Piss Christ" is "art" of this type, where the focus is really on the viewer's appreciation for counter-cultural values, not so much on the object itself.

Show me the art you like, and I'll tell you about your soul.

2 posted on 03/24/2013 7:53:08 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: BenLurkin
Hate to tell them but these days "art" is about expressing the right political or ideological leanings when describing the painting, sculpture, photo etc.

Andreas Gurskey's heavily post processed Rhine II went for some $4.3 million dollars. He said that he wanted to show the state of the heavily constrained once free rivers of the world.

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3 posted on 03/24/2013 7:56:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: BenLurkin

My only criteria for art is that it should be 1) pretty and 2) not sweet. If I like it, it’s art.


4 posted on 03/24/2013 8:03:43 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
If I like it, it’s art.

That's really what should matter. I do what I like and if others like it enough to pay me for it, that's even better. However I'll never go out of my way to fit in with a bunch of pretentious liberal artists and art critics.
5 posted on 03/24/2013 8:11:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

That thing needs two identical Ikea lamps flanking it.


6 posted on 03/24/2013 8:12:35 AM PDT by tsomer
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To: BenLurkin

Up until I entered Art College in 1970, I labored under the discarded but quaint notion that the purpose of creating art and music was to create beauty, inspire people, and even to stimulate thinking and discussion.

I was quickly disabused of this avuncular “nonsense” and lectured about dissonance and ugliness for its own sake.

I realize now that this was preparation to prepare our culture to accept mediocrity and propaganda as the norm.

The messianic image of obama that was peddled as “high Art” which echoed the Socialist realism of the Stalin Era is a perfect illustration of the elevation of mediocrity in service to the State.

The Coarsening of Our Civilization, evidenced by high-tech filth that passes for movies, debased language, pop music that is devoid of melody and looped around one electronic measure, the sexual exploitation of children, and “political correctness” are all symptoms of a deeper sickness which has infected all aspects of our culture.

Maybe I am just an old crank, but I have a hard time finding any contemporary art, music, or literature that will be taken seriously one hundred years from now.

Just my opinion.


7 posted on 03/24/2013 8:15:33 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: yorkie

ping


8 posted on 03/24/2013 8:16:16 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: left that other site
You said: "The Coarsening of Our Civilization, evidenced by high-tech filth that passes for movies, debased language, pop music that is devoid of melody and looped around one electronic measure, the sexual exploitation of children, and “political correctness” are all symptoms of a deeper sickness which has infected all aspects of our culture."

Response: Agreed, and the root cause is egalitarianism which intuitively seeks the lowest level.

9 posted on 03/24/2013 8:21:05 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: BenLurkin

Sounds like what they are saying is we can be as disgusting as we want in art.


10 posted on 03/24/2013 8:25:12 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: left that other site
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."


Communist Goals (1963)
11 posted on 03/24/2013 8:27:24 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: left that other site

” The Coarsening of Our Civilization, evidenced by high-tech filth that passes for movies, debased language, pop music that is devoid of melody and looped around one electronic measure, the sexual exploitation of children, and “political correctness” are all symptoms of a deeper sickness which has infected all aspects of our culture.”

You’ve got it, its called evil.


12 posted on 03/24/2013 8:29:02 AM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: left that other site
Taxpayers paid for this "art" that was displayed in a Northern Michigan museum a year or so back.

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Its extremely basic photoshop at best.
13 posted on 03/24/2013 8:30:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Thought this might interest you.

This speaks to the humanist psychology piece you posted. It’s part of humans “knowing good and evil” without God’s help. Very depressing.

14 posted on 03/24/2013 8:31:56 AM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
1) Art can make you admire the Creator ...
2) ...Creation -- ultimately, this results in sadness and loss. ...
3) Art can make you admire yourself -- this is Pride. This is sin...

I've never heard it expressed this way. It's elegant and rings true.

And it raises questions, for example:
Where does craft-- of the woodworker or the ceramicist-- fit in this formula?
When we admire Michelangelo's ceiling, don't we admire the skill of the man as well as the subject?

One of the things about craft is that it "says itself." It does not mimic nature; some would say it is analogous to music in this way. This was one of the arguments extended in defense of abstract art-- that it sought the sublime and transcendent, not the outward appearance of things.

15 posted on 03/24/2013 8:36:04 AM PDT by tsomer
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Yes. It is called “The Lowest Common Denominator”.


16 posted on 03/24/2013 8:38:26 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes. That “Manifesto” keeps coming up, as the leftists are right on schedule.


17 posted on 03/24/2013 8:40:09 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: TsonicTsunami08

That is exactly right!

Are we ALLOWED to say “evil” anymore?


18 posted on 03/24/2013 8:41:02 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: cripplecreek

Eyew....

That is REALLY bad ‘art”.

Not to mention a LIE!


19 posted on 03/24/2013 8:42:02 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: left that other site

Once I had collected the photos and patterns I wanted to use, I could have slapped it together in about 20 minutes.


20 posted on 03/24/2013 8:48:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
A Fine Example of the "Lowest Common Denominator":


21 posted on 03/24/2013 8:50:28 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: BenLurkin
Cloud World 1925 by Maynard Dixon


22 posted on 03/24/2013 8:51:39 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: left that other site
2 can play that game.

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23 posted on 03/24/2013 8:53:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes indeed!

Well Done.


24 posted on 03/24/2013 8:55:12 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: BenLurkin

Connectivity by Denise Mahlke


25 posted on 03/24/2013 8:57:30 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: tsomer
It does not mimic nature; some would say it is analogous to music in this way.

It's my thesis that music is fundamentally an imitiation of bird songs, from which our aesthetic sense derives. NOVA had a show once entitled Why Do Birds Sing? but they never even came close to addressing the title question. They confined themselves entirely to the question of why they MAKE SOUNDS, and maybe that's all science can ask.

26 posted on 03/24/2013 8:58:23 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Utah Binger

I kinda like “Connectivity”.


27 posted on 03/24/2013 8:59:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Ham-handed, utterly ordinary and stultifying. The composition is static, the typography is unworthy of a first-semester community college student in her first graphics course, the neurotic use of the same little border over and over and over again suggests an overly controlled mind. She managed to even kill the comicbook-heroic Art Deco Nazi kitsch beloved of would-be revolutionaries the world over, and that’s not an easy thing to do.

This plodding little apparatchik in the making is very small. Her revolutionary betters understood the value of a compelling visual in propagandizing the masses. This is just ... Microsoft Word dabbling to post on cobwebbed bulletin boards in obscure government offices for dullards shuffling their way toward retirement.


28 posted on 03/24/2013 8:59:42 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: cripplecreek
If I like it, it’s art.

And if someone else likes it, it's better art. What is great art? Lasting art.

29 posted on 03/24/2013 9:03:22 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: Utah Binger

Last Light on Capitol Reef by Ray Roberts


30 posted on 03/24/2013 9:03:33 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Utah Binger

Great composition and use of color can make even sinkholes beautiful and compelling.


31 posted on 03/24/2013 9:04:26 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry; cripplecreek
Denise Mahlke
32 posted on 03/24/2013 9:07:20 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: left that other site

***and lectured about dissonance and ugliness for its own sake.***

Same here. Many of us did not like the crap we were being taught. We wanted to learn to draw, and paint, not crap about the beauty of twisted metal. I was working days in a steel shop and saw lots of twisted metal and it was NOT ART.

I eventually had to teach myself.


33 posted on 03/24/2013 9:07:28 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Same here.

I also taught myself music composition and audio engineering, but I have seen even those processes degenerate into a form of industrial, monotonous drivel. I know HOW to use beat-box and looping software, but I choose to create music WITHOUT them.


34 posted on 03/24/2013 9:13:36 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: Utah Binger

I wish more people here in NW Arkansas liked REAL ART. Most here want the cabin painted on a saw blade and tobacco can type of “art”. (gag)

Thankfully Walton’s Crystal Bridges art center is trying to upgrade the local’s art experience. They are now displaying a collection of NORMAN ROCKWELL’s original works.


35 posted on 03/24/2013 9:14:58 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

In my South Florida town, there are the most hideous “twisted metal” sculptures on every street corner.

Turns out these were all paid for with tax money.


36 posted on 03/24/2013 9:18:49 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: BenLurkin

Does the ornithologist teach the bird to sing?

(I forget who said that.)


37 posted on 03/24/2013 9:30:41 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberalism: knowing you're better than everyone else because of your humility. -- Daniel Greenfield)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Look into the landscape paintings of Arkansas native Margaret Speer.

http://www.biddingtons.com/content/creativespeer.html

Her color sense and composition are very nice, with a sort of softness that recalls some of the great Impressionist painters. She’s active so her work should be affordable and accessible, as a print if not an original.


38 posted on 03/24/2013 9:33:56 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: A_perfect_lady
My only criteria for art is that it should be 1) pretty and 2) not sweet. If I like it, it’s art.

I think art can be evaluated subjectively and objectively, just as good books can.

I'm an artist, and I'll tell you one thing. Modern art is crap. 8-)

39 posted on 03/24/2013 9:50:49 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Modern art is crap. 8-)

That's one way of looking at it. It may be wiser to recognize it as designed for conquest.

40 posted on 03/24/2013 10:02:37 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: tsomer
Certainly in my first suggested purpose for Art, the admiration of the Creator, there is an implied reference to God. Music by Bach can be elevating to the soul and can make one think about God. But it can also make you admire Bach. We are made in God's image, and just as God is the great Creator, so are we also creators. I admire Bach, Michelangelo, or Brancusi. Craftsmanship of all kinds should be admired.

There are many ways that people with some skill can seek the sublime and the transcendent. Arts and Crafts are good when they help "take us out of ourselves".

I would maintain that some of what man creates just allows us to wallow in the physical world. Is Hip-Hop art? I suppose it's a matter of taste, but I see nothing transcendent there. I see the raw emotion and the laws of the jungle being played out in various struggles for dominance. I see no art there.

41 posted on 03/24/2013 10:04:54 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: cornelis
That's one way of looking at it. It may be wiser to recognize it as designed for conquest.

I'm living for the emperor-has-no-clothes moment, when investment bankers, the world over, will be left holding the bag.

I've been waiting a long time. How much longer can this hoax last?

42 posted on 03/24/2013 10:08:12 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: RegulatorCountry

Thanks. My experience is that while trying to paint Arkansas scenes everything is overwhelmed with GREENS! Can’t get away from it.

When I did a painting of my barn I had to do a fall scene with dead grass around to break up the overwhelming greens.

I notice all my paintings of Arkansas are mostly fall scenes as there are more color variations at that time, whereas spring is GREEN!

I have lived here for around fifty years yet I know more about Oklahoma than Arkansas, but I do miss my New Mexico and the Four Corners region.


43 posted on 03/24/2013 10:28:03 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: tsomer; ClearCase_guy

tsomer wrote: “Where does craft— of the woodworker or the ceramicist— fit in this formula? When we admire Michelangelo’s ceiling, don’t we admire the skill of the man as well as the subject?”

Things we think of as “subjective” are actually as objective as can be, including beauty. ...

Although many influential scientists claim — and most members of general public believe — that all of reality can ‘in principle’ be expressed as the dynamics of its constitutive elements (atoms, genes, neurons), some have intuitively felt that this reductive tenet is wrong, that life and the human mind are more complex phenomena. Critics of reductionism have pointed to Kurt Goedel’s 1931 ‘incompleteness theorem’ (which shows that in any axiomatic formulation of, say, number theory there will be true theorems that cannot be established) as a contrary example, but this paradigm-shattering result has been largely ignored the scientific community, which has blithely persisted in its reductive beliefs. ..... =====> http://tinyurl.com/a2plgkp


44 posted on 03/24/2013 10:46:38 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (It's a single step from relativism to barbarism, low information to Democrat, ignorance to tenure)
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To: A_perfect_lady

You wrote: “My only criteria for art is that it should be 1) pretty and 2) not sweet. If I like it, it’s art.”

There are eternal patterns in the implicate order (archetypes) One for instance: Politics as Religion :) http://tinyurl.com/acdg4q6

“Objective reality ‘out there’ and our personal reality ‘in here’ are thoroughly connected. :) http://tinyurl.com/cah3fjr


45 posted on 03/24/2013 10:53:59 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (It's a single step from relativism to barbarism, low information to Democrat, ignorance to tenure)
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Turns out these were all paid for with tax money.

Something must remind them of their dire straits. These paid for pieces typically increase in size the closer you are to their savior.

46 posted on 03/24/2013 10:59:25 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: BenLurkin

Art comes from the scientist. I believe that you cannot be an artist in any field without first mastering the science of the field. Anyone can write poetry or paint a picture or compose music. The artist understands that he/she must master the fundamentals, the science, of the field. After that, I look for work. Does the artist care about the audience? Is the artist willing to put in the time, effort, thought and care to produce something worthwhile? Crapping on a canvas may be “edgy”, but is it art? I actually studied under communist professors. “All art must support the revolution, or it is not art!” I asked him about Bach and Frost and Monet. He said that they weren’t artists. I think that much of what passes for art is just entertainment and groupthink.


47 posted on 03/24/2013 11:03:18 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

This is a nice example from the paintings of Margaret Speer, of handling an Arkansas Ozark landscape in a striking manner via high contrast and an unusual color palette that works on several levels, even as an abstraction:

http://www.biddingtons.com/os/itemhtml/ht503172.shtml?503172


48 posted on 03/24/2013 11:14:22 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: cornelis

True, that.


49 posted on 03/24/2013 11:14:59 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: blueunicorn6

You wrote: “Art comes from the scientist. I believe that you cannot be an artist in any field without first mastering the science of the field. ..”

We now understand how and why scientists are guided by feeling and artists by science. http://tinyurl.com/ajmj746

bttt


50 posted on 03/24/2013 12:55:21 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (It's a single step from relativism to barbarism, low information to Democrat, ignorance to tenure)
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