Skip to comments.Neuroaesthetics is killing your soul
Posted on 03/24/2013 7:43:42 AM PDT by BenLurkin
It is only by understanding the neural laws that dictate human activity in all spheres in law, morality, religion and even economics and politics, no less than in art that we can ever hope to achieve a more proper understanding of the nature of man.
to suggest that the human brain responds in a particular way to art risks creating criteria of right or wrong, either in the art itself or in individual reactions to it. .... experience suggests that scientists studying art find it hard to resist drawing up rules for critical judgements. The chemist and Nobel laureate Wilhelm Ostwald, a competent amateur painter, devised an influential theory of colour in the early twentieth century that led him to declare that Titian had once used the wrong blue. Paul Klee, whose intuitive handling of colour was impeccable, spoke for many artists in his response to such hubris
But the problem runs deeper, because equating an appreciation of art with an appreciation of beauty is misleading. A concept of beauty (not necessarily ours today) was certainly important for, say, Renaissance artists, but until recently it had almost vanished from the discourse of contemporary art. Those who like the works of Marcel Duchamp, Joseph Beuys or Robert Rauschenberg generally do not appreciate them for their beauty. Scientists as a whole have always had conservative artistic tastes; a quest for beauty betrays that little has changed.
Even the narrower matter of aesthetics is not only about beauty. It has conventionally also concerned taste and judgement. Egalitarian scientists have a healthy scepticism of such potentially elitist ideas, and it is true that arbiters of taste may be blinkered and dogmatic: witness, for example, the blanket dismissal of jazz by Theodor Adorno, a champion of modernism.
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No thanks. Keep it to yourselves.
Show me the art you like, and I'll tell you about your soul.
My only criteria for art is that it should be 1) pretty and 2) not sweet. If I like it, it’s art.
That thing needs two identical Ikea lamps flanking it.
Up until I entered Art College in 1970, I labored under the discarded but quaint notion that the purpose of creating art and music was to create beauty, inspire people, and even to stimulate thinking and discussion.
I was quickly disabused of this avuncular “nonsense” and lectured about dissonance and ugliness for its own sake.
I realize now that this was preparation to prepare our culture to accept mediocrity and propaganda as the norm.
The messianic image of obama that was peddled as “high Art” which echoed the Socialist realism of the Stalin Era is a perfect illustration of the elevation of mediocrity in service to the State.
The Coarsening of Our Civilization, evidenced by high-tech filth that passes for movies, debased language, pop music that is devoid of melody and looped around one electronic measure, the sexual exploitation of children, and “political correctness” are all symptoms of a deeper sickness which has infected all aspects of our culture.
Maybe I am just an old crank, but I have a hard time finding any contemporary art, music, or literature that will be taken seriously one hundred years from now.
Just my opinion.
Response: Agreed, and the root cause is egalitarianism which intuitively seeks the lowest level.
Sounds like what they are saying is we can be as disgusting as we want in art.
” The Coarsening of Our Civilization, evidenced by high-tech filth that passes for movies, debased language, pop music that is devoid of melody and looped around one electronic measure, the sexual exploitation of children, and political correctness are all symptoms of a deeper sickness which has infected all aspects of our culture.”
You’ve got it, its called evil.
This speaks to the humanist psychology piece you posted. It’s part of humans “knowing good and evil” without God’s help. Very depressing.
I've never heard it expressed this way. It's elegant and rings true.
And it raises questions, for example:
Where does craft-- of the woodworker or the ceramicist-- fit in this formula?
When we admire Michelangelo's ceiling, don't we admire the skill of the man as well as the subject?
One of the things about craft is that it "says itself." It does not mimic nature; some would say it is analogous to music in this way. This was one of the arguments extended in defense of abstract art-- that it sought the sublime and transcendent, not the outward appearance of things.
Yes. It is called “The Lowest Common Denominator”.
Yes. That “Manifesto” keeps coming up, as the leftists are right on schedule.
That is exactly right!
Are we ALLOWED to say “evil” anymore?
That is REALLY bad ‘art”.
Not to mention a LIE!
Once I had collected the photos and patterns I wanted to use, I could have slapped it together in about 20 minutes.
It's my thesis that music is fundamentally an imitiation of bird songs, from which our aesthetic sense derives. NOVA had a show once entitled Why Do Birds Sing? but they never even came close to addressing the title question. They confined themselves entirely to the question of why they MAKE SOUNDS, and maybe that's all science can ask.
I kinda like “Connectivity”.
Ham-handed, utterly ordinary and stultifying. The composition is static, the typography is unworthy of a first-semester community college student in her first graphics course, the neurotic use of the same little border over and over and over again suggests an overly controlled mind. She managed to even kill the comicbook-heroic Art Deco Nazi kitsch beloved of would-be revolutionaries the world over, and that’s not an easy thing to do.
This plodding little apparatchik in the making is very small. Her revolutionary betters understood the value of a compelling visual in propagandizing the masses. This is just ... Microsoft Word dabbling to post on cobwebbed bulletin boards in obscure government offices for dullards shuffling their way toward retirement.
And if someone else likes it, it's better art. What is great art? Lasting art.
Great composition and use of color can make even sinkholes beautiful and compelling.
***and lectured about dissonance and ugliness for its own sake.***
Same here. Many of us did not like the crap we were being taught. We wanted to learn to draw, and paint, not crap about the beauty of twisted metal. I was working days in a steel shop and saw lots of twisted metal and it was NOT ART.
I eventually had to teach myself.
I also taught myself music composition and audio engineering, but I have seen even those processes degenerate into a form of industrial, monotonous drivel. I know HOW to use beat-box and looping software, but I choose to create music WITHOUT them.
I wish more people here in NW Arkansas liked REAL ART. Most here want the cabin painted on a saw blade and tobacco can type of “art”. (gag)
Thankfully Walton’s Crystal Bridges art center is trying to upgrade the local’s art experience. They are now displaying a collection of NORMAN ROCKWELL’s original works.
In my South Florida town, there are the most hideous “twisted metal” sculptures on every street corner.
Turns out these were all paid for with tax money.
Does the ornithologist teach the bird to sing?
(I forget who said that.)
Look into the landscape paintings of Arkansas native Margaret Speer.
Her color sense and composition are very nice, with a sort of softness that recalls some of the great Impressionist painters. She’s active so her work should be affordable and accessible, as a print if not an original.
I think art can be evaluated subjectively and objectively, just as good books can.
I'm an artist, and I'll tell you one thing. Modern art is crap. 8-)
That's one way of looking at it. It may be wiser to recognize it as designed for conquest.
There are many ways that people with some skill can seek the sublime and the transcendent. Arts and Crafts are good when they help "take us out of ourselves".
I would maintain that some of what man creates just allows us to wallow in the physical world. Is Hip-Hop art? I suppose it's a matter of taste, but I see nothing transcendent there. I see the raw emotion and the laws of the jungle being played out in various struggles for dominance. I see no art there.
I'm living for the emperor-has-no-clothes moment, when investment bankers, the world over, will be left holding the bag.
I've been waiting a long time. How much longer can this hoax last?
Thanks. My experience is that while trying to paint Arkansas scenes everything is overwhelmed with GREENS! Can’t get away from it.
When I did a painting of my barn I had to do a fall scene with dead grass around to break up the overwhelming greens.
I notice all my paintings of Arkansas are mostly fall scenes as there are more color variations at that time, whereas spring is GREEN!
I have lived here for around fifty years yet I know more about Oklahoma than Arkansas, but I do miss my New Mexico and the Four Corners region.
tsomer wrote: “Where does craft— of the woodworker or the ceramicist— fit in this formula? When we admire Michelangelo’s ceiling, don’t we admire the skill of the man as well as the subject?”
Things we think of as “subjective” are actually as objective as can be, including beauty. ...
Although many influential scientists claim — and most members of general public believe — that all of reality can ‘in principle’ be expressed as the dynamics of its constitutive elements (atoms, genes, neurons), some have intuitively felt that this reductive tenet is wrong, that life and the human mind are more complex phenomena. Critics of reductionism have pointed to Kurt Goedel’s 1931 ‘incompleteness theorem’ (which shows that in any axiomatic formulation of, say, number theory there will be true theorems that cannot be established) as a contrary example, but this paradigm-shattering result has been largely ignored the scientific community, which has blithely persisted in its reductive beliefs. ..... =====> http://tinyurl.com/a2plgkp
You wrote: “My only criteria for art is that it should be 1) pretty and 2) not sweet. If I like it, its art.”
There are eternal patterns in the implicate order (archetypes) One for instance: Politics as Religion :) http://tinyurl.com/acdg4q6
“Objective reality ‘out there’ and our personal reality ‘in here’ are thoroughly connected. :) http://tinyurl.com/cah3fjr
Something must remind them of their dire straits. These paid for pieces typically increase in size the closer you are to their savior.
Art comes from the scientist. I believe that you cannot be an artist in any field without first mastering the science of the field. Anyone can write poetry or paint a picture or compose music. The artist understands that he/she must master the fundamentals, the science, of the field. After that, I look for work. Does the artist care about the audience? Is the artist willing to put in the time, effort, thought and care to produce something worthwhile? Crapping on a canvas may be “edgy”, but is it art? I actually studied under communist professors. “All art must support the revolution, or it is not art!” I asked him about Bach and Frost and Monet. He said that they weren’t artists. I think that much of what passes for art is just entertainment and groupthink.
This is a nice example from the paintings of Margaret Speer, of handling an Arkansas Ozark landscape in a striking manner via high contrast and an unusual color palette that works on several levels, even as an abstraction:
You wrote: “Art comes from the scientist. I believe that you cannot be an artist in any field without first mastering the science of the field. ..”
We now understand how and why scientists are guided by feeling and artists by science. http://tinyurl.com/ajmj746
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