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All Europeans are related if you go back just 1,000 years, scientists say
NBC.com ^ | May 7, 2013 | Alan Boyle

Posted on 05/09/2013 3:00:00 PM PDT by billorites

A genetic survey concludes that all Europeans living today are related to the same set of ancestors who lived 1,000 years ago. And you wouldn't have to go back much further to find that everyone in the world is related to each other.

"We find it remarkable because it's counterintuitive to us," Graham Coop, an evolutionary biologist at the University of California at Davis, told NBC News. "But it's not totally unexpected, based on genetic analysis."

Family researchers have long known that if you go back far enough, everyone with a European connection ends up being related to Charlemagne. The concept was laid out scientifically more than a decade ago. Now Coop and University of Southern California geneticist Peter Ralph have come up with the evidence. Their findings were published on Tuesday in the open-access journal PLOS Biology. Advertise | AdChoices

"Anyone alive 1,000 years ago who left any descendants will be an ancestor of every European," the researchers say in an FAQ file about their study. "While the world population is larger than the European population, the rate of growth of number of ancestors quickly dwarfs this difference, and so every human is likely related genealogically to every other human over only a slightly longer time period."

Those conclusions are based on a survey of genetic sequences from more than 2,000 individuals spread from Ireland to Turkey. Ralph and Coop used computer software to search for telltale strings of DNA coding that are common to wide segments of the European population. The length of such strings can be used as a statistical yardstick to determine relatedness: Longer strings suggest that a common ancestor lived more recently.

The researchers were surprised to find that even individuals living as far apart as Britain and Turkey shared a chunk of genetic material 20 percent of the time. To explain that degree of genetic commonality, the researchers say those pairs of individuals would have to have a huge number of common genealogical ancestors 1,000 years ago — a number that takes in everyone who was alive in Europe back then.

Coop stressed that common genealogical ancestors are distinct from common genetic ancestors. "If you go more than eight generations back, you've got so many ancestors back there, it's unlikely that all of them have contributed genetic material to you," he explained.

People who live closer together tend to be more closely related, as you'd expect. The survey also found that the degree of relatedness varied among present-day European populations: Italians tended to have lower levels of relatedness, to each other and to other Europeans. That may be because there was a long history of distinct cultures in that region, the researchers suggest. Eastern Europeans, in contrast, showed more relatedness than the average, perhaps due to the Slavic expansion into that region more than 1,000 years ago.

Teasing out all those relationships will be the focus of future research, made possible by the proliferation of genetic data and analytical tools. "In the next couple of years, we'll have these kinds of studies applied globally," University of Arizona geneticist Michael Hammer, who was not involved in the PLOS Biology study, told NBC News.

The cold, hard genetic evidence points to a warm and fuzzy fact. "It underlines the commonality of all of our histories," Coop said. "You don't have to go back many generations to find that we're all related to each other."


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"You don't have to go back many generations to find that we're all related to each other."

Pwoof it.


1 posted on 05/09/2013 3:00:00 PM PDT by billorites
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To: billorites

well at least the secret is safe in the family...(/s)

appologies to Dave Allen at Large.


2 posted on 05/09/2013 3:02:18 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: billorites

They are simply wrong. All Europeans are not related.


3 posted on 05/09/2013 3:02:31 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: billorites

I think I’m related to Attila the Hun. Not genetically, politically. BTT.


4 posted on 05/09/2013 3:03:13 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Texas Fossil
They are simply wrong. All Europeans are not related.

And your evidence for this assertion is?

5 posted on 05/09/2013 3:14:30 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: billorites
"The brotherhood of man is not a poet's dream. It's a depressing reality."
~Oscar Wilde~

6 posted on 05/09/2013 3:16:30 PM PDT by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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To: billorites

http://astroguy.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/andrei-markov-totally-looks-like-mr-bean/


7 posted on 05/09/2013 3:17:54 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Arguing with a marxist is like playing Chess with a Pigeon.)
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To: billorites

I think I heard that there is more genetic variation among people in Africa than in all of the rest of the world, because it was a relatively small number, representing a small gene pool,that migrated out of Africa, and populated the rest of the world.


8 posted on 05/09/2013 3:20:42 PM PDT by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: billorites

Rome had legions from turkey from there they invaded Germany Spain, then England with legions made up with men from all the countries they invaded ...


9 posted on 05/09/2013 3:22:32 PM PDT by jrd (All federal acts,laws,orders,rules regulations regarding firearms, infringe the 2 amendment)
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To: billorites

So Turkmen or Serbs or Hunic are releated to Picts?

I have my doubts.


10 posted on 05/09/2013 3:27:44 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76

Obviously false headline.


11 posted on 05/09/2013 3:30:23 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: billorites

12 posted on 05/09/2013 3:30:43 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: billorites
All Europeans are related if you go back just 1,000 years, scientists say

My family goes back that far in recorded history and I find this to be unlikely.

13 posted on 05/09/2013 3:42:10 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: billorites

Aren’t all humans related? Isn’t all life? Wait, where can one get the funding to propose this theory?


14 posted on 05/09/2013 3:45:30 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Caipirabob

15 posted on 05/09/2013 3:48:47 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: billorites
The Test of A True Born English Mans DNA is a Hatred of the FROGS. The Anti La Crapaud is an embedded gene in every person of English descent, my family name speaks of this.
16 posted on 05/09/2013 3:49:08 PM PDT by Little Bill (A)
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To: Daveinyork
it was a relatively small number, representing a small gene pool,that migrated out of Africa, and populated the rest of the world.

"Waiter, could you get me some ice? Waiter? Oh hell, I'll get it myself."

17 posted on 05/09/2013 3:50:26 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: billorites

Faulty conclusion stemming from faulty assumptions. Poor excuse for “science”.


18 posted on 05/09/2013 3:51:45 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: House Atreides

Interesting info here.

http://www.eupedia.com/genetics/


19 posted on 05/09/2013 3:54:22 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: billorites
Family researchers have long known that if you go back far enough, everyone with a European connection ends up being related to Charlemagne

The non-politically correct way to convey the same idea is to replace Charlemagne with Charles Martel. Can't write anything scare the muzzies you know.

20 posted on 05/09/2013 3:54:37 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: Texas Fossil
About 90% of the Sa'ami were physically isolated from ALL other Europeans from about 20,000 years ago to 1,000 years ago. The other 10% had some strange show up about 7,500 years back ~ probably from India or Mesopotamia most likely.

There continue to be Sa'ami who do not yet have a real close relationship with Europeans ~ and then there are the Fulbe, Berbers, Cherokees, Yakuts and others who are closely related to Sa'ami but not other Europeans in general.

There are still other genetic isolates ~ the upland families in Switzerland show signs of that because nobody moves in, although they move out!

Mathematics must be counseled with reality ~ not all the connections work simply because nobody moved in or out of thousands of semi-isolated villages for thousands of years.

21 posted on 05/09/2013 3:58:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: billorites
I know I am related to Charlemagne

coz he was a major domus and

I am a major doofus.

22 posted on 05/09/2013 4:04:59 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: billorites

Logical Fallacy. Correlation is not causation.


23 posted on 05/09/2013 4:04:59 PM PDT by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: muawiyah

I am a mutt.

Father’s parents were Scot/Irish but mother was Swedish by way of Finland to US. (other groups involved too)

Migration patterns in US evolved in patterns too.

The label “Caucasian” is not very descriptive.


24 posted on 05/09/2013 4:14:46 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Norse invations.

Asians migrated to Europe.

It is simply not that tight on the gene pool.


25 posted on 05/09/2013 4:16:53 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Caipirabob
I don't find it remarkable at all, due to rape, pillage, and plundering, that "genetic chunk" they are discovering was put there by Norsemen to all points of Europe, and perhaps North America as well, just about 1000 years ago.

Just look at the "tour shirt" they would have been able to put together:

Russia
England
Ireland
Iceland
Greenland
Vinland
France
Various modern Slavic states
Grafittied the Mediterranean
And the invited bodyguards of various Byzantine Emperors.

They're all related to me.
26 posted on 05/09/2013 4:17:33 PM PDT by Goldsborough
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To: JoeProBono

Batty?

Yep


27 posted on 05/09/2013 4:18:38 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: billorites

Thank goodness Barry was hatched on Uranus.


28 posted on 05/09/2013 4:22:17 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Texas Fossil

Most white folks are not Caucasion anyway.


29 posted on 05/09/2013 5:27:40 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Little Bill

the only things i like from france is baguettes and french onion soup.


30 posted on 05/09/2013 5:31:06 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: billorites

All moslems are related if you go back just 100 years, scientists say


31 posted on 05/09/2013 5:35:45 PM PDT by Blogatron (Death to islaam)
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To: Goldsborough
"rape, pillage, and plundering"

Damn, I miss the 1970's.

and those 'push-up' bras...

32 posted on 05/09/2013 5:36:53 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: longtermmemmory

Well, I know my ancestor, Johann der Wilde [John, the Wild] von Wallmerode Buewinghausen contributed his share of DNA to the European gene pool. I have said many times that I am related to all Europeans through this man. He lived in the 15-16th century and was married with 3 daughters, but when he died he had acknowledged 72 illegitimate children. I wonder how many more unacknowledge children he had?

He was a minor nobleman in the northern Rheinland. Maybe you too could be a descendant of his?????


33 posted on 05/09/2013 7:16:12 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: muawiyah

Correct.


34 posted on 05/09/2013 8:38:41 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Gumdrop

Well if he was a minor nobleman, most likely his ancestors were nobleman from all around Europe, as they tended to travel and intermarry, and in time all the cycling around meant you are related to notable nobles all over Europe. Mine is a DuBois who was a Hugoenot and ultimately, yes I can go back to Charlemagne as an ancestor.


35 posted on 05/09/2013 9:34:46 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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