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Is George R.R. Martin the “American Tolkien”?
American Prowler ^ | 5.31.13 | Anne Hobson

Posted on 05/31/2013 12:43:32 PM PDT by nickcarraway

With the end of the third season of Game of Thrones in sight (June 9th), a global audience of over 5 million is debating whether or not George R.R. Martin is the rightful “American Tolkien.” I argue that while The Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones have striking similarities, Martin is actually pioneering a distinct genre—a new kind of fantasy novel informed by historical fiction and politics. Martin admits that he was influenced a great deal by Tolkien, and mirrored the structure of his novels off of Tolkien’s work:

“Tolkien begins his story in the Shire with one group of inhabitants, hobbits, but eventually expands the tale in ever-widening orbits to cover many races and huge tracts of land. That’s what I wanted to do too. I wanted to start with a tight focus on a few characters and one place in the world, and as the story is told, the world will continue to get bigger and bigger and more people get drawn into the conflict,” Martin told the Detroit Free Press.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
KEYWORDS: gameofthrones; georgerrmartin; jrrtolkien; tolkien
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1 posted on 05/31/2013 12:43:32 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I have not read the books mentioned here but I really like this author. The fellow has been writing for decades.


2 posted on 05/31/2013 12:46:17 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: nickcarraway

Yes, although I will say that I found “A Song of Fire and Ice” to be more interesting that “The Lord of the Rings”, and the characters to be far deeper and more compelling.

I have not read “The Lord of the Rings” twice, and I don’t think I have will. I just started book 3 of “A song of Fire and Ice” for the second time, and I’m loving it again.


3 posted on 05/31/2013 12:48:13 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

have = ever*

oops!


4 posted on 05/31/2013 12:48:43 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: nickcarraway

I looked it up on Wiki to see what it was. The plot was underwhelming, but maybe it reads better.


5 posted on 05/31/2013 12:49:32 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: nickcarraway

No!


6 posted on 05/31/2013 12:51:02 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: nickcarraway; Anoreth

I read a bit of that first “Fire and Ice” book to see what it was, since my son had it out of the library. It’s workmanlike narrative, sequential and all that.

One re-reads Tolkien less for complex plotting than for the beauty of his language. His writing is like being in the Basilica of the Immaculate Conception: something exquisite with perfectly-wrought detail everywhere you look. If unashamedly gorgeous composition isn’t your thing, then he would probably not be a favored author.


7 posted on 05/31/2013 12:53:08 PM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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I'm watching 'Game Of Thrones' and somewhat enjoying it, but this George R.R. Martin character is a dirty perv.

No, he's no J.R.R. Tolkien. He just has a pretentious double middle initial like J.R.R. Tolkien originated in the fantasy fiction genre. What a copycat.

8 posted on 05/31/2013 12:53:33 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: nickcarraway

Not NEARLY as much sodomy in the Tolkien Books./s

I guess I’m just an old-fashioned fuddy-duddy about things like that.


9 posted on 05/31/2013 12:53:52 PM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Why would you call Martin a dirty perv?


10 posted on 05/31/2013 12:57:07 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: chris37; nickcarraway

I haven’t seen the show or read his books. How do they compare to Robert Jordan’s Wheel of Time series?


11 posted on 05/31/2013 12:58:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: The KG9 Kid
but this George R.R. Martin character is a dirty perv.

Explain, please. His bio on Wikipedia lists him as being a demonicRAT and supporter of the 0bmanation ... is there more to it than that?

12 posted on 05/31/2013 12:58:52 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: nickcarraway

Well, they do both have 4 names with the middle two starting with R... Both combined the legend of Atlantis into their stories. Tolkein added what seemed to be a level of depth in his books, however, especially The Silmarilian. Probably because he spent half his life working on it and never really finished.


13 posted on 05/31/2013 12:59:32 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Perdogg

ping


14 posted on 05/31/2013 12:59:37 PM PDT by EveningStar ("What color is the sky in your world?" -- Frasier Crane)
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To: nickcarraway

I don’t know...are really long boring poems inserted into the text involved?


15 posted on 05/31/2013 12:59:43 PM PDT by AndrewB (FUBO)
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My kids really like Tolkien’s poems, especially if I sing.


16 posted on 05/31/2013 1:00:32 PM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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I loved books 1,2,3 of game of thrones. It took him it seemed a decade to complete book 4, while throwing excuse after excuse on his web page, then when the announcement finally came that book 4 would come out soon, he explained how it would be written where half the characters would be in book 4, and a simultaneous timeline of the other half of the characters would be in book 5, I was already pissed. After book 4 finally came out, and I read it, I was ready to find George RR Martin and strangle him personally (plus it doesn’t help that he is a big big big lib)....I was livid at the suckiness of book 4.

When book 5 came out, I read it (because I had to), and was pleasantly surprised, and feel he has at least somewhat redeemed himself for the travesty of book 4. We will see if he can finish off what started as an incredible series well.


17 posted on 05/31/2013 1:00:37 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: nickcarraway
Huge...tracts of land ping...


18 posted on 05/31/2013 1:03:14 PM PDT by AndrewB (FUBO)
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To: Tax-chick

While I somewhat like the “Song of Ice and Fire” series (the first book being “A Game of Thrones”) Martin isn’t the writer that Tolkien was, and certainly not the scholar. I can easily imagine even Martin laughing off this comparison.


19 posted on 05/31/2013 1:03:22 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Tax-chick

Stop, stop...no singing!


20 posted on 05/31/2013 1:03:49 PM PDT by AndrewB (FUBO)
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