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I am sorry, as I could not readily find the original article that was posted here in 2004 by Laissez-faire capitalist.

I'm a physician. I can recall very clearly in medical school that Homosexuality was listed as a mental disorder. Unknown to me apparently, a very strong lobby removed the ICD-9 Code for the disease. Without any data to refute that it is a disease. Without and scientific evidence to refute the hundreds and hundreds of scholarly papers on the subject.

From the article:

"Prior to that time, homosexuality had been treated as a mental disorder under section "302. Sexual Deviations" in the DSM-II. Section 302 said, in part: "This category is for individuals whose sexual interests are directed primarily towards objects other than people of the opposite sex, toward sexual acts...performed under bizarre circumstances...Even though many find their practices distasteful, they remain unable to substitue normal sexual behavior for them." Homosexuality was listed as the first sexual deviation under 302. Once that diagnostic code for homosexuality was removed, physicians, including psychiatrists, have been prevented from diagnosing homosexuality as a mental disorder for more than three decades."

For example, there has been no "Homo gene." Twin studies, where twins are separated at birth, one is gay the other straight show the same rates of homosexuality, ie. there is not one study that shows a higher percentage of the separated twins being both gay...

etc etc.

I think when you see this in the full perspective, you understand the gradual dismantling of the family unit in our society by a very loud lobby, many of whom are in the green movement, planned parenthood, and I dear say in all branches of our government. Add to that no fault divorce etc...and we've been on a very slippery slope.

Every family almost in the US has in it a gay member. These people are troubled, not happy. Many raped as children and some become predators in their own right. The environment that produced this brings guilt. Relationships within the home are strained and broken forever.

I for one agonize over these family members. If there was a cure that would make them straight, trust me, they'd take it. I doubt that many are happy being gay.

On the other hand, how do we know that through the use of medications and therapy people are not cured of this obsession...this addiction? We don't because any research is shouted down. How is this any different from any other sexual abberration? Many people with sexual addiction in the end stage are homosexual.

Eventually, becuase we are a good people, many of us give in, like you eventually do to the child who continues to negotiate with you because he or she doesn't want to go to bed. The gays of our country are to be loved, but any means of helping them from a destructive life is thwarted from within their ranks.

There is no clear debate on this. We all have accepted that homosexuality is scientifically normal that occurs at birth.

People use the term "tipping point". We've seen that this week in the passage of immigration law in the senate and the SCOTUS rulings. Rulings where clearly the SCOTUS did not have to rule, as Judge Alito stated...that the constitution does not guarantee same sex marriage or polygamy for that matter. But a single unelected judge said it does, and turned away the vote of the people on this subject.

I pray for my son, I pray for this country every day. Life is good, and God says that things will always work out for the common good. I pray that they do, but I must tell you that the past four years or so, has tested my resolve.

1 posted on 06/28/2013 3:32:52 AM PDT by nikos1121
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2 posted on 06/28/2013 3:43:46 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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Every family almost in the US has in it a gay member. These people are troubled, not happy. Many raped as children and some become predators in their own right. The environment that produced this brings guilt. Relationships within the home are strained and broken forever.

I simply don't believe this is true from a familial standpoint. The percentage of gays in this country is not that high - just surfing, estimates range from 2% to 3.5%. And, for the high number, I'd have to see the questions asked before believing that poll.

As for the rest of the statement, I concur.

3 posted on 06/28/2013 3:44:18 AM PDT by Gaffer
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Ryan Sorba has written a book detailing the tactics and process homosexuals used to bully the APA and other authoritative professional health groups to bow to their agenda. I believe it is The Born Gay Hoax. It is available online in its entirety on sites like Massresistance.org.
5 posted on 06/28/2013 3:54:31 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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7 posted on 06/28/2013 4:13:01 AM PDT by lowbridge
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There have been a couple of great posts on FR this AM. Yours is one.


8 posted on 06/28/2013 4:40:56 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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For example, there has been no "Homo gene." Twin studies, where twins are separated at birth, one is gay the other straight show the same rates of homosexuality, ie. there is not one study that shows a higher percentage of the separated twins being both gay...

And this means what, exactly?

There isn't any scientific evidence to prove that homosexuality is anything other than a mental disorder. Even if it could be proved that people are born that way, that is not evidence that homosexuality is "normal." People are born schizophrenic, autistic, mentally retarded, psychotic, etc., all the time--people also develop pathologic conditions at other stages of life--the circumstances under which the pathology manifested do not determine whether it is normal. Normal behavior is defined as how close to the center of the bell curve a person's specific behavior pattern lies, when compared to the behavior patterns of the population.

We do a great disservice to people with sexually-associated mental illness when we refuse to treat them or to research effective treatments for their conditions. Pretending they are normal doesn't help them at all. I think of poor Chastity Bono, whose illness spiraled out of control to the point where she made herself into a freak show attraction. Her illness should have never been allowed to fester to that point, and is probably still festering.

/off the soapbox

9 posted on 06/28/2013 4:52:47 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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What you describe about there no longer being any intelligent free debate on the subject, is true across the leftist agenda.

We now have prohibited words, Islam cannot be criticized, global warming must be a fact, all (liberal) minorities and women must be spoken of only as heroic, illegal aliens must not be called “illegal”, All conservatives are racists and nazis, all faculties and curricula are to be leftist, embryos are not to be called human.

It goes on and on.


10 posted on 06/28/2013 4:58:30 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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These people who do not think it’s a mental disorder obviously have never had to deal with homosexuals on a daily basis like I did 10 years ago as part of my job. Believe me they ARE quite mentally disturbed, severely and utterly mentally disturbed and I’m not even talking about their sexual orientation. Besides being the biggest whiny ass bitches this side of creation, I would say almost all of them are also sociopathic. They believe the world revolves around them and everything else is garbage. I never seen a group of people more self-absorbed than homosexuals, ever in my life. When it comes to ego, Kanye West is an amateur next to a homosexual. This is exactly why gays should not serve in the military. They do NOT have the mental stability for it and is the reason why a homosexual is responsible for the largest security breach in US military history (Bradley Manning). They go into their faggot “snits” like Manning did, watch out because they will not care one iota how much they make life hell for other people.


12 posted on 06/28/2013 5:16:46 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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Two percent of the population is queer. Even less than that is interested in getting “married.” Yet we’re supposed to elevate the perverse aberration of same-sex attraction to the same level as traditional heterosexual marriage, an institution that has served as the cornerstone of all social relationships for thousands of years?

Pressure may cower psychiatrists and politicians, but no amount of bullying will make a blue sky green. And no number of protests, parades, or precedents is going to make homosexuality “normal.”

Frankly, I’m starting to think that the more the homos try to push this clearly false notion, the more likely they are to generate a backlash that will force them back in the closet where they belong.


15 posted on 06/28/2013 5:35:07 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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Exposed: The Myth That Psychiatry Has Proven That Homosexual Behavior Is Normal
16 posted on 06/28/2013 5:42:25 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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Homosexuality is very normal...relatively ....


20 posted on 06/28/2013 7:11:19 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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I don’t get what you mean about the twin studies. If identical twins raised separately have the same concordance of homosexuality as identical twins raised together, doesn’t that imply that the cause would be genetic or congenital, not environmental?


21 posted on 06/28/2013 7:12:09 AM PDT by heartwood
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There's one thing in your post on which I would like to gently correct you: "...God says that things will always work out for the common good." Not by a long shot. What He tells us is, "All things work together for good for those who are called according to His purpose" (Romans 8:28). That's quite different. That's not the common good, but only the eternal good of those who love and serve Him. We can't assume that God will arrange for everything to be good for everyone. By no means. And what is truly good in the eyes of God is often very different from our earthly notions. So I don't anticipate happy endings in this story.
22 posted on 06/28/2013 8:03:29 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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The Traditionalvalues site moved the original article to here: Exposed: The Myth That Psychiatry Has Proven That Homosexual Behavior Is Normal
42 posted on 06/28/2013 6:38:21 PM PDT by scripter
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Excellent and the word must be spread. Even liberals know how it happened:

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/204/81-Words

That radio show is a favorite of mine, particularly to share with liberal friends. They don’t accept news or facts from other sources.


46 posted on 06/29/2013 3:00:01 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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Placemark for pingout.


47 posted on 06/29/2013 2:34:31 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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