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Carbon credits market is neither free nor worth anything--Jo Nova in The Australian:
JoNova ^ | July 31st, 2013 | joanne

Posted on 08/03/2013 9:42:06 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Credit to The Australian for printing both points of view. Published as an Op-Ed today.

Carbon credits market is neither free nor worth anything

THE paradox du jour: people who like free markets don’t want a carbon market, and the people who don’t trust capitalism want emissions trading. So why are socialists fighting for a carbon market? Because this “market” is a bureaucrat’s wet dream.

A free market is the voluntary exchange of goods and services. “Free” means being free to choose to buy or to not buy the product. At the end of a free trade, both parties have something they prefer.

[Those who know what real free markets are know that an emissions trading scheme is not and never can be a free market. The "Carbon-Market" is a market with no commodity, no demand, and no supply. Who needs a "carbon credit"? The government entirely determines both supply and demand.]

A carbon market is a forced market. There is little intrinsic incentive to buy a certificate for a reduction in carbon dioxide emissions. It says a lot about the voluntary value of a carbon credit that when given the option to pay $2 to offset their flight emissions, 88% of people choose not to. A few do it as a form of green penance to assuage guilt, and others do it for their eco public relations campaign or branding.

To create demand for emissions permits, the government threatens onerous fines to force people to buy a product they otherwise don’t need and most of the time would never even have thought of acquiring. Likewise, supply wouldn’t exist without government approved agents. Potentially a company could sell fake credits (cheaper than the real ones) and what buyer could spot the difference? Indeed, in terms of penance or eco-branding, fake credits, as long as they were not audited, would “work” just as well as real ones.

Despite being called a commodity market, there is no commodity: the end result is air that belongs to no-one-in-particular that has slightly-less-of-a-trace-gas. Sometimes it is not even air with slightly less CO2 in it, it is merely air that might-have-had-more-CO2, but doesn’t. It depends on the unknowable intentions of factory owners in distant lands.

How strange, then, that this non-commodity was at one time projected to become the largest tradable commodity in the world – bigger even than the global market for oil. In 2009, Bart Chilton, chairman of energy markets at the US Commodity Futures Trading Commission, estimated global carbon markets would be worth $2 trillion within five years.

The UN may claim that carbon is “tracked and traded like any other commodity”, but if I buy a tonne of tin, I either get a tonne of tin or I get $20,000 because I onsold it — someone, somewhere gets the goods. If a bulk shipment of coal arrives empty, buyers notice. Fraud is easy to spot.

Unfortunately, fraud has been a big, ongoing problem with emissions trading. This market needs auditors, and the auditors need auditing (the top two auditors in the EU emissions trading scheme were both suspended in 2009 for irregularities).  The EU has already lost €5bn to carbon-trading VAT fraud. The mafia are laundering money in Italy through renewables schemes, and after one tax loophole was closed, market volume in Belgium dropped by 90%.

The carbon market also depends on the honesty of people claiming: “We wouldn’t have built that dam without that carbon credit.” How would we know? The Xiaoxi dam in China was already under construction two years before the owners applied for credits “to build it”.

Since an ETS exists by government fiat and has no intrinsic value without it, it is technically a fiat currency rather than a  tradeable commodity. Supply and demand is set by bureaucrats in the EU. If the price is too high, politicians will issue more credits, and if it’s too low they will delay them (as the EU is planning to do). Bureaucrats can also give exemptions to trade-affected industries (or their friends, and to their fans in marginal seats).

Those who say that a carbon market is “like” other derivatives markets are wrong. Derivatives markets are sometimes quite disconnected from actual products such as pork bellies or gold bars, but eventually the supply and demand for real goods will determine the price. In some places the size of the derivatives market exceeds that of the commodity market, but that’s a reason to question those schemes, not to set up a market in an atmospheric nullity or something as frivolous as an “intention” not to build a dam.

So, who profits from the carbon market? The brokers in a carbon market -  like large financial institutions such as Deutsche Bank, UBS, Morgan Stanley, CBA, Citi, HSBC, Macquarie, – make money on every trade. The global carbon market turned over $176bn in 2011. These groups have been lobbying for a market, not a tax, and the reasons are obvious.

Most of the key factors in a carbon market are misnamed. The market is not free. An essential plant fertiliser is called pollution. The aim of the market is not to make clean energy but to change global temperatures by an amount that rounded to the nearest degree, equals zero*. The US has no market but has reduced emissions (largely thanks to shale gas), while any reductions in EU emissions were largely due to falling GDP. Yet the government wants to join the EU scheme.

Ironically, the reason for having any carbon scheme at all comes from monopolistic research. There are virtually no grants specifically available for sceptical scientists, but funding galore for unsceptical ones.

We need a free market in science before we even discuss the need for a free market in carbon.

[The people who demand a free market in CO2 apparently don't give a toss about the lack of one in scientific research. Who amongst the carbon market lobbyists and politicians argues that we ought to be funding skeptical scientists? To get a fair hearing in a court, we know we have to fund both sides. Monopolies don’t work in business, and they don’t work in science either. May the best researcher win!]

But don’t hold your breath – the global warmers prove to be mostly global hypocrites.

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Reproduced with permission (though it retains a few edits and phrasings that didn’t fit in the final copy see [..]).

*Pace, Matt Ridley for that expression.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: australia; carbon; carboncredits; carbonmarket; carbontax; climatechangefraud; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax

1 posted on 08/03/2013 9:42:06 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: SunkenCiv; Army Air Corps; NormsRevenge; Marine_Uncle; Fred Nerks; onyx; justa-hairyape

fyi


2 posted on 08/03/2013 9:57:23 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: SierraWasp; Grampa Dave

fyi


3 posted on 08/03/2013 9:59:27 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Trading carbon as a commodity is like prostitution...sell it and you still got it.


4 posted on 08/03/2013 10:20:53 AM PDT by The Great RJ (construction)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
How many of the top ten mutual funds have carbon credits in their portfolios?
My guess is 0.
5 posted on 08/03/2013 10:42:49 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Talk about a scam. They create a market out of thin air and are going to “ save” the world.


6 posted on 08/03/2013 10:47:39 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (If global warming exists I hope it is strong enough to reverse the Big Government snowball)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; naturalman1975

My understanding is...and I certainly could be wrong on this...that their current government,at the last election,promised there’d be no carbon tax but after the election one was enacted nevertheless.It’s also my understanding that the tax is wildly unpopular.I’ve pinged one of our esteemed Aussie members to see what,if anything,he might have to add to the discussion.


7 posted on 08/03/2013 10:58:22 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Good article on this particular type of criminal activity.


8 posted on 08/03/2013 11:54:29 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ...

Thanks Ernest.
The UN may claim that carbon is "tracked and traded like any other commodity", but if I buy a tonne of tin, I either get a tonne of tin or I get $20,000 because I onsold it -- someone, somewhere gets the goods. If a bulk shipment of coal arrives empty, buyers notice. Fraud is easy to spot.
It's a gov't scam designed by limo libs to further enrich themselves at everyone else's expense, and without making anything or doing any work, iow, the limo lib wet dream, like Hollywood.


9 posted on 08/03/2013 11:56:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv

OK!! Everybody pay attention!

Lesson for today:

1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.

2. The sun is a ball of fire that controls our climates.

3. The earth is a rock.

4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.

5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?


10 posted on 08/03/2013 12:33:40 PM PDT by abclily
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To: abclily
Just to emphasis your point on the relative size....we have:

From this thread:

About that almost ‘Carrington Event’ two weeks ag

11 posted on 08/03/2013 12:56:14 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: SunkenCiv

Has anyone here ever met somebody providing the carbon credits environmentalists are paying for? Certainly not I.


12 posted on 08/03/2013 1:14:45 PM PDT by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks!


13 posted on 08/03/2013 2:02:13 PM PDT by abclily
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To: Berosus

Al Gore promises not to fart.


14 posted on 08/03/2013 2:47:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Pro-Putin = Pro-Iran = Pro-Jihad = Pro-Muslim Brotherhood)
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To: Gay State Conservative
My understanding is...and I certainly could be wrong on this...that their current government,at the last election,promised there’d be no carbon tax but after the election one was enacted nevertheless.It’s also my understanding that the tax is wildly unpopular.I’ve pinged one of our esteemed Aussie members to see what,if anything,he might have to add to the discussion.

That's correct - Julia Gillard went to the last election having pledged "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead". But because we wound up with a hung Parliament and she needed the Greens to govern, she had to back down on that pledge to get their support - and it upset a lot of people. Kevin Rudd, our recycled Prime Minister, has now officially dumped the carbon tax in the lead up to the next election, but instead he's going to have a 'carbon price' which is basically what this argument is about. He's hoping that it will be seen as different enough to the carbon tax to persuade voters he's corrected Labor's broken promise. It might get him some votes.

15 posted on 08/03/2013 3:53:48 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bump

the answer to everything is 358.

just kidding


16 posted on 08/03/2013 3:56:01 PM PDT by GeronL
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