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Farmers to Face Fines or Prison Sentences for Selling Food Directly to Customers
Thomas Dishaw's Govt Slaves ^ | 8-13-2013 | David Gumoert

Posted on 08/17/2013 4:25:29 PM PDT by goodwithagun

This would seem to embody the USDA’s advisory, “Know your farmer, know your food,” right? Not exactly. For the USDA and its sister food regulator, the FDA, there’s a problem: many of the farmers are distributing the food via private contracts like herd shares and leasing arrangements, which fall outside the regulatory system of state and local retail licenses and inspections that govern public food sales. In response, federal and state regulators are seeking legal sanctions against farmers in Maine, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and California, among others. These sanctions include injunctions, fines, and even prison sentences.

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TOPICS: Agriculture; Conspiracy; Food; Gardening
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I'm really not sure about this source; however, with our Big Gov it doesn't seem impossible.
1 posted on 08/17/2013 4:25:29 PM PDT by goodwithagun
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To: goodwithagun

REVENOOERS! SHOOT FOR YOUR LIVES!


2 posted on 08/17/2013 4:27:35 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: goodwithagun

Let’s all just join the local commune.


3 posted on 08/17/2013 4:27:49 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: goodwithagun

“I’m really not sure about this source; however, with our Big Gov it doesn’t seem impossible.”
_____________________________________________
In today’s new USSA, most anything that goes against freedom
is quite possible. I expect it will get much worse.


4 posted on 08/17/2013 4:31:53 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: goodwithagun

What about farmers markets and roadside stands?


5 posted on 08/17/2013 4:34:46 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: fella
What about farmers markets and roadside stands?

They're next. Easy pickin's fer the SWAT teams. Your tagline is coming truer every day.

6 posted on 08/17/2013 4:37:05 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: goodwithagun

one more reason for the big reset.


7 posted on 08/17/2013 4:37:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: goodwithagun

Goodbye roadside veggie and fruit stands. Shellfish sold from the trunks of cars are okay though.


8 posted on 08/17/2013 4:38:01 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: goodwithagun

Not sure what this entails but there are farmer’s markets and roadside stands in most states I’d guess.
If this is shutting them down I suspect there will be protest amongst many consumers.


9 posted on 08/17/2013 4:45:09 PM PDT by deport
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To: AlexW

No wonder Calif. is trying to empty their prisons, making room for the farmers!


10 posted on 08/17/2013 4:51:20 PM PDT by BigIsleGal (Wake Me Up When the Stupid Wears Off)
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To: fella

That was the first thing I thought of. We have farmer’s markets all over the place!


11 posted on 08/17/2013 4:54:37 PM PDT by ozaukeemom (Is there even a republic left?)
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To: goodwithagun

I sold vegetables I grew to my neighbors yesterday. Come and get me.


12 posted on 08/17/2013 4:57:28 PM PDT by wny
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To: ozaukeemom

I just made a delish meal from our farmers’ market. Screw u, feds.


13 posted on 08/17/2013 4:58:09 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: goodwithagun

I didn’t see bartering listed.


14 posted on 08/17/2013 4:59:41 PM PDT by scripter
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To: goodwithagun

I am glad to know the FDA and USDA are on the ball.....who knows with their help we might just solve the obesity problem in the USA...’

Regulate the farmers out of business....regulate coal out of business.... We will be doing jumping jacks at night to keep warm and eating warmed over grass clipping...

I’d be in the best shape of my life....


15 posted on 08/17/2013 5:00:03 PM PDT by JZoback
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To: fella

“What about farmers markets and roadside stands?”

A fellow farmer/producer and I were discussing this topic as we tried to sell our produce at the local farmers market this morning. Since the Fed/gov is taking over ‘healthcare’, what is to stop them from attempting to take over the nations food supply? I ask such in a rhetorical sense...


16 posted on 08/17/2013 5:02:49 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: goodwithagun
It's coming, complete government control of the entire food distribution chain.


If we can't put a stop to the gov't regulating everything, we will one day soon see an "Affordable Food Act" that will dwarf 0bamacare in scope, cost and intrusion.
Not everyone need health care every day but everyone has to eat.
Control the food; control the people.

17 posted on 08/17/2013 5:02:54 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: ozaukeemom; fella; deport

Perhaps farmers’ markets are next? In Ohio we already have so many regulations there are few things that can be sold simply. The farmer I buy our meat and eggs from has to jump through so many hoops it’s almost impossible for him to meet all the regs. Then there’s the raw milk issue! I make and can hot pepper mustard, hot pepper relish, jalapeños, and pepperoncini. I have to send these to work with my neighbor to him to illegally sell because cottage food laws in Ohio forbid these items. Jams and jellies are okay, but not these.


18 posted on 08/17/2013 5:04:29 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

Careful reading of the article identifies the real reasons for the charges. First, they are not obtaining licenses which include an initial fee and regular extortion payoffs (inspection fees).

Second, they are selling directly to customers bypassing the government sponsored monopolies. This allows them to sell for a much cheaper price and with much higher quality.

Food safety has nothing to do with it. I will guess that 99.9% of contaminated food is obtained through the government sponsored monopolies rather than direct sales.


19 posted on 08/17/2013 5:11:16 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The only growth industries left under Progressives are government and poverty.)
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To: goodwithagun
Had to click on the link and confirm my suspicions. Their excuse for shutting down private sales is safety - we can't be trusted to buy/sell produce that they haven't inspected.

The gov't feels like it's the only one who can supply food that's plentiful, affordable, and safe - just like health care.

Reality is with this kind of control they can charge what they like, or cut it off completely if you misbehave.

20 posted on 08/17/2013 5:12:29 PM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: goodwithagun

First, they came for the herd shares and leasing arrangements.

Then, they came for the farmers’ markets.

==

My town of 14k has a yearly farmers’ market that is usually held one or two days each week for a couple of months.


21 posted on 08/17/2013 5:13:54 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: goodwithagun

How is my Congress critter - Rosa DeLauro aka Mrs. Stanley Greenberg - involved?

She was big into passing legislation to aid Monsanto as hubby has deep roots with the company.


22 posted on 08/17/2013 5:26:05 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: goodwithagun

The problem is that the Federal Government is funding many farmers markets through USDA and community action programs. If the FDA bunch persists it will cause a massive turf war between the bureaucrats.


23 posted on 08/17/2013 5:41:17 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: goodwithagun

Live in Farmishland, western PA.

Its worse than you think. A friend had two goats that begat a third goat. Fed jackboots ran all over his land demanding to see his “license” to breed goats.

They HAD to have spotted the kid from the air.

He stood his ground and declared the goats were pets.

And what’s happening to the dairy herds, beef herds and just plain corn farmers is really scary.

Fedgov jackboots are everywhere in the backwash of PA.

BELIEVE IT.


24 posted on 08/17/2013 5:48:34 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: goodwithagun
and here in NY we actually have Farmers Markets, go figure...
25 posted on 08/17/2013 5:49:48 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: goodwithagun

One is allowed to sell directly to the public at the source. I looked into this a number of times when thinking what to do when I had bumper crops of plums (could I sell jam etc). You can avoid labeling laws for instance if you sell at the source. There were several farms in the area I could go there and buy direct (eggs, milk, beef, etc).
The difference is I think these people are creating something different than that, not selling locally or what is considered direct at source. Leasing animals, etc, that’s a different thing. Not saying I agree with the current situation of big government sticking their nose everywhere. However, most anybody can go online and find farms near them and they can buy direct (depending where they live). Unpasteurized milk is another matter and you might only be able to do that yourself with your own cow (or goat).


26 posted on 08/17/2013 6:03:06 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: ZOOKER
Well, Hey, Zookie, ole buddy ole pal; doncha know that HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE died or got injured by raw milk and unINSPECTED corn from dirty ole DIRT FARMERS?!

Only a RATZ* knows what's best for you. Farmers don't. They are stupid and ignorant. That's why they PLAY IN THE DIRT. Only good RATZ* have the SMARTZ to know what you should eat!

Hell, doncha know that millions and millions of people have DIED from BAD CORN ON THE COB???

We RATZ don't know this for a fact, we just pulled it out our azz because it keeps us in a "job" with a "payeeecheka."

Boy, you stupid people just don't know what is good for you. Thank God we RATZ* are here to protect you from those EVIL dirt farmers.

* = bureaKaRATZ and demoKaRATZ. After all RATZ are just RATZ.

27 posted on 08/17/2013 6:03:38 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

I have only seen this in one place, Dear Leader on 1 Aug 2013 signed an EO which will basically make Ammonia Nitrate very difficult to produce and use. This will have huge implications on corn production. We are living in interesting times.


28 posted on 08/17/2013 6:03:50 PM PDT by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: goodwithagun

This article is not about roadside stands.

What this article is talking about is food cooperatives which non-farmers use to avoid regulations by using exemptions written to permit farmers to consume the produce of their own farms on their own farms.

Just about any food regulation includes a exemption that permits farmers to consume their own produce. By forming cooperatives, non-farmers are operating the exemptions to purchase food that they had no role in producing and over which they assert no control in the production process. This leaves the consumer vulnerable to less than ideal practices by the farmer.

For instance, if a farmer were to produce raw milk for his family’s own consumption, he would be very careful to make sure the cows udders were clean and sanitary and that his equipment was properly sterilized, so as not to introduce harmful bacteria into the milk. However, he might not be so scrupulous when producing milk for somebody else.

As far as I am concerned, this is a risk people should be permitted to assume. But nobody should think that just because the cows look happy, the equipment in the barn has been properly sterilized. The cows don’t care about that. If a customer wants to consume raw unregulated products, he should be very careful to only purchase from farmers who have demonstrated integrity and safe practices.


29 posted on 08/17/2013 6:31:28 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: ConradofMontferrat

demanding to see his “license” to breed goats.

He should have told them he didn’t breed the goats. They bred themselves! And then tell the feds to go breed themselves.


30 posted on 08/17/2013 6:36:46 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: goodwithagun

If true, we are past the point where civil disobedience is not just necessary, but essential. Refuse to comply (easy for a non- farmer like me). To be of any use, it would have to be massive and widespread.

The government brown shirts have intimidated us thus far. I should have taken up smoking and smoked in a bar where smoking was previously welcomed. Other examples are numerous. The open carry folks are right.

We will soon have a generation so controlled they will only be frightened. The TSA isn’t protecting us, they are indoctrinating us. Police are increasingly powerful so as to be unrecognizable. A polite and cheerful civil servant — extinct.


31 posted on 08/17/2013 6:40:52 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: rfreedom4u

Basically, its what he did. When he declared them as “pets” the RATZ got hostile but left anyway.

My friend is NOT easily intimidated. Nor is his “billy.”

One rough piece of work that one. Stands high, runs full speed on back legs, connects with very painful thud.

In other words, a good goat.


32 posted on 08/17/2013 6:54:08 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Haiku Guy
Dear Haiku gaijin,

Just how MANY people have been poisoned or DIED because of food cooperatives?

This leaves the consumer vulnerable to less than ideal practices by the farmer.

And just how many farmers are so unscrupulous? According to you, you just CAN'T trust American Farmers.

I know a lot of REGULATED, CORPORATE, CRONY CAPITALIST farms are sending out iceberg lettuce that is making thousands sick.

Oh, but just jeez louiz, they are REGULATED farms, and are ABOVE reproach.

Don't know about too many folks falling ill from iceberg lettuce from Amishland.

(bet you don't know what that even means.)

Hey, guess what, roadside stands ARE being targeted. But you are all about taking the RATZ back. Got your number.

33 posted on 08/17/2013 7:08:33 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: ZOOKER

It’s like the crackdown on Evil Raw Milk and Evil Raw Almonds.

The insanely out of control fedgov tyranny wants to utterly control every aspect of our lives from birth (the ones allowed to get born to death (time and place they choose).

Whatever is not prohibited is mandatory and all that.


34 posted on 08/17/2013 7:14:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ConradofMontferrat; rfreedom4u

He should have replied: The real problem here is the lack of comprehensive vet care. Had we stood with does, that poor thing would never have been punished with a kid.


35 posted on 08/17/2013 7:14:54 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat
Hey, guess what, roadside stands ARE being targeted. But you are all about taking the RATZ back. Got your number.

I am not disagreeing with you, even though you seem to be a pretty disagreeable person.

I am only pointing out that these food cooperatives are operating under a regulatory loophole that assumes that the "farmer" is going to have control over production. A customer of the food cooperative is not a farmer and could easily be harmed by poor food safety practices of the farmer, so he should exercise great care.

The problem is, if this loophole becomes big enough and profitable enough, it will be exploited by the REGULATED, CORPORATE, CRONY CAPITALIST farms which you deride.

36 posted on 08/17/2013 7:21:42 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: ConradofMontferrat

INTERESTING...

the Amish here in Southwestern, PA. all sell from their homes, guess the government want their share of the cash sales, the cash is to be considered INCOME..do farmers claim this...I doubt it..WONDER HOW LONG BEFORE WE AVERAGE COUNTRY AMERICAN WON’T BE ALOUD TO HAVE A BACK YARD GARDEN???? ITS COMING, BY THE SOUNDS OF IT..

this country is going to the dogs..and the dogs are all in WASHINGTON D.C. VOTE THEM ALL OUT..LETS START ALL OVER..CAN’T BE ANY WORST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WONDER WHEN THE GOVERNMENT GOES AFTER THE FOLKS HAVING YARD AND GARAGE SALES...they want to claim those few coins as income too?????


37 posted on 08/17/2013 7:21:45 PM PDT by haircutter
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To: goodwithagun

Death to the Kulaks!


38 posted on 08/17/2013 7:22:21 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: goodwithagun

There goes Vermont.


39 posted on 08/17/2013 7:29:58 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: bunkerhill7

Insanity

Ban a farmers market now?


40 posted on 08/17/2013 7:31:29 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: goodwithagun
Ummm... we used to go in parts with neighbors on cattle either we or they raised. Also, we would buy our eggs from our neighbors, and so on. I hope this is sarcasm, but I would guess it is not. Bake sales were destroyed a decade ago when they started requiring the food be prepared in a commercial kitchen.

This would just be more Nazi government overreach that we have become used to. Us frogs seem to be about fully cooked, and ready to serve.

41 posted on 08/17/2013 7:48:37 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: goodwithagun

The Liberals HATE anything called a KID..


42 posted on 08/17/2013 8:02:35 PM PDT by carlo3b (Speechless in Sugar Land)
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To: goodwithagun

Garage sales are regulated (you can and cannot sell certain toys - regulations that some here agree with) why not then roadside stands?


43 posted on 08/17/2013 8:06:01 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: goodwithagun

There have been proposals to make SNAP/food stamps an option for buying at a farmer’s market. When that happens, the farmer’s market is now fair game for federal regulation.


44 posted on 08/17/2013 8:14:16 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: phormer phrog phlyer

Can you provide a source for this? A link? Thanks!


45 posted on 08/17/2013 8:21:50 PM PDT by MNGal
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To: Carthego delenda est

The Feds tried to ram through their National Animal Identification System (NAIS I call it NASI) by trying to flim-flam the states into enacting it but only a few ultraliberal states fell in line so they’ve let it sit for awhile but it will be back as a dictate. I believe they also have a similar system in mind for crops too.


46 posted on 08/17/2013 8:53:58 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: ZOOKER

This is the so-called “Food Safety Act”, which I call the Monsanto Corporate Welfare Act. I made some inroads with some Minneapolis liberals when I explained to them that this bill will place their favorite organic farmers (which, by the way, are family owned small businesses) out of business via oppressive regulation. Got some of them thinking.


47 posted on 08/17/2013 9:03:55 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: MNGal

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/08/01/executive-order-improving-chemical-facility-safety-and-security


48 posted on 08/18/2013 5:30:31 AM PDT by deport
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To: MNGal

Sure here is the link: http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2013/08/13/from-over-the-transom-2/

This is the only place I have seen this mentioned, one of the links in the article goes to the EO. This really needs to get out more. As we used to say in the Marines “I think we are in deep Kim-chee”


49 posted on 08/18/2013 7:28:54 AM PDT by phormer phrog phlyer
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