Skip to comments.Prepper SHTF Survival Comms HT VHF-UHF Frequency Programming File
Posted on 08/30/2013 4:20:57 PM PDT by Kartographer
Why worry about which type of radio is best for emergency and prepper use, when you can have them all at once? In one radio! Turn your walkie talkie into a super SHTF survival radio with HAM-FRS-GMRS-MURS-MARINE-WEATHER-BUSINESS channels. The secret is in the programming.
In an emergency, you may need to communicate with others on the channels they have in their radios. Are they using an FRS radio? Or is it MURS or GMRS? Or are they on HAM? Whatever it is, you are now prepared with all those channels in your radio. Just dial them up and talk.
A Prepper SHTF Survival Comms frequency file for programming VHF-UHF handheld transceivers (VHF-UHF HT) is provided here. This file turns your HT into a wonderful HAM-FRS-GMRS-MURS-MARINE-WEATHER-BUSINESS radio.
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I picked up a Baofeng UV5 last year, and am pretty impressed with it. Well made, flexible and amazingly inexpemnsive.
Am planning on picking up a few more for my SHTF ‘buddies’
There is a rather large user group for them:
Got mine on eBay
where can you buy them in person?....like with cash?..which is just as good as money....
if you get the Diamond 2m/440mhz extended antenna for it, it GREATLY increases its range. I can hit my repeater @ home from Downtown Chicago sitting in my office on the 11th floor of my building. That's about 28 miles as the crow flies. (Although, my antenna is VERY high up...)
Depends on what your needs and objectives are. VHF/UHF line-of-sight radios aren’t going to be good for more than a mile or two at most after the ham and GMRS repeaters go down. FRS will be OK for tactical comms a little beyond shouting distance - but not much. GMRS will have better range, especially those connected to a real antenna. A programmable scanner will probably be more useful unless you have a defined communications target withing a 2-20 mile radius. Since most law enforcement/first responder comms have not gone to trunked digital systems that works basically like the cellular network, they will be dependent on commercial power or availability of fuel supplies for backup generators, and in many cases (sadly) the internet. If the S really HTF and these digital networks go down, the fire/police dept’s that still have operational backup V/UHF FM systems will revert to using them, and those local frequencies in your area would be important to have on file. As long as the digital systems like P25 are operational, you need a $500 scanner to hear them, period.
The real action is likely to be “off the grid”, using purloined and highly protected HF frequencies and most likely frequency hopping and/or encryption.
For those of us with Base Stations equipped with 2m/440mhz antenna's, there's also an antenna adapter ($3.50 at RFPARTS.COM) that will enable you to plug your Baofeng/Wouxun into your base station antenna and REALLY increase its range on GMRS and FRS. I have one, highly recommend it. Both GMRS and FRS are very active where I live. (I also have a modified Icom V8000 modified that receives and transmits on GMRS/FRS. Highly recommend that radio as well.)
No Idea. I imagine if you live in a big city that has an Amateur radio store you might find one. Although I think most of that sort of place only stocks higher end stuff.
Is the UV5R better than the UV5? The more initials the better? LOL What would be best for a 60 mile range/reach? Is that possible with handheld?
I'm not sure which brand I got, but while mine boosts the UHF range, it kills the VHF range. I went back to the regular 'rubber ducky'. Not much UHF action around here anyway.
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Ed has the UV6D V2 on sale.
I have the 2D I take with me on the motorcycles I mentioned on the other thread.
I mean the Wouxun.
Is that legal?
On a home built antenna I could easily hit 50 miles on a 2m. The antenna was on the roof of a 2 story house. Of course the design was taught to me by a guy who could build a weather radar from a box of radio shack parts.
Many of them are streamed (during normal times), but I don't much care for that because you can't customize anything. You're stuck with the talkgroups and whatever the streamer has chosen.
Pretty much the same thing. They have a new one out with even more initials; Not much functional difference.
You might get 60 miles from mountain top to mountain top 'if the wind is blowing in the right direction'. Pretty much need to have base station antenna to do it reliably, and even then terrain is the key.
You might be surprised how much of the nation is covered with repeaters though, which if you know how to work them, (I don't) you can talk a LONG ways.
I don’t know if you can find the Chinese radios locally. You can find the traditional brands like Yaesu at a radio-oriented store but they’re not in the same price range for sure. I bought a Wouxun from Ed. I don’t have my license (and probably will stay off the lists and not take the test) so I just listen for now and take with me in the woods in case of real emergency.
I receive only, but the 2m/440mhz Larsen antenna definitely increases the received VHF signal on my Wouxun.
Also made up a rat-tail in case I transmit some day. A homemade version of this:
It’s why HF is where it’s at...Or will be...Talk/listen to the world completely off the grid if one desires.
No. 60 miles with a handheld would be impossible UNLESS you're flying in an airplane. I've flown with my HT and reached 100 miles plus, but then again I was at 20,000 feet so it was easy to do. On the ground, no way. I was really pushing it just being able to key my own repeater from the distance I did. Likely any audio I'd have tried sending would've been unintelligible.
I can easily get 60-90 miles on my 2Meter rig using my beam. My vertial (omnidirectional) I've managed to get as far as 150 miles, but that was with a good amount of ducting going on.
I don't see the UV5R being markedly better than the UV5. Might have a few bug fixes here and there, otherwise same functionality.
Your elevation has alot to do with it also. My elevation is 950' sitting here in Will County, IL. I'm about 35 miles SW of the city and can see the city skyline from where I live. I head Northeast of me and the elevation drops about 250' in three miles. Heading west it drops about 200 feet in 8 miles. Straight East of me is relatively level with me while straight South drops off about 150-200' within a few miles. (Seen that with my GPS) My signal on 2M around here KILLS. I'm the king of the mountain where I live. My 2M/440Mhz is 85' up in the air so I transmit and hear very well. I often hear some folks down in Champaign, IL (120 miles..) on 2 Meters my receive is that good.
Of course the design was taught to me by a guy who could build a weather radar from a box of radio shack parts.
Guessing you built a double or quad-wave 2M vertical or a beam to get that distance with your antenna on the 2nd story of your house. VHF/UHF requires the antenna's to be fairly high up to get that kind of range under normal conditions, or add an amplifier to it.
I also do some 2M SSB weak signal and moon-bounce with my beam. That's cool IMO.
Damn' Straight! Worked Israel on Tuesday afternoon on 20Meters. Had the Mosley Tri-Bander pointed his direction, got him on the third attempt over a massive pile-up.
I didn't even need the amplifier (2KW) for it. Never bothered to turn it on.
Last night I got Russia (RU1A) over the north pole on 20M using my beam and 1500 Watts. Today I managed to get E77DX (Bosnia-Herzegovina) on 20 Meters with the beam and 100 Watts.
Over 140 confirmed countries under my belt thus far.
“No. 60 miles with a handheld would be impossible UNLESS you’re flying in an airplane. “
1,500 above the surrounding areas on a small mountain top (Mt Herman, Palma Lake, CO) and we hit 60 miles. About the limit at 5 watts and that height.
I can see that at 1500 feet above everything else...
I don’t know a thing about radios and communications-it’s on my list of things to learn. We do have a couple of multiband portable radios that allow us to get weather stuff, and hear broadcasts from all over the world.
My prepping during the end of summer is primarily just doing the normal living thing, and canning our produce, and dehydrating stuff to use up this winter. Just finished pulling up a bunch of garlic and onions, braided them, and hung from the ceiling in the basement.
Have to can a batch of tomatoes tomorrow.
Ping to read in detail later
Clearly, you guys know HF. I don’t want to have to rely on repeaters. Can you recommend an HF radio to start off with? Nothing too fancy, too heavy or too powerful. If we’re off grid we have to consider our capacity to generate enough power. Thanks!
To add more to the confusion, is there a reason to go with the Baofeng UV-5R+ rather than the UV-5R?
Any idea what I have here? Is it an asset for the SHTF scenario? Is there some sort of chrystals I should buy to make it more versatile?
Imagine it might be useful if I could figure out what sort of antennae it uses and stack it up with the marine VHF and CB that I keep in the boat.
This is an area I need to improve on the 'Gulch"!
I do hate to be a downer here but much of what is being advocated here is illegal. Licensing and/or type acceptance is required for use of most all of these bands:
HAM - Tech License gets you UHF and VHF, General License and Extra License gets you HF. Otherwise verboten to transmit.
FRS - legal for anyone but very short range - carry on.
GMRS - technically requires an $85 license for the whole family to operate at 5 watts.
MURS - Legal for anyone BUT with type accepted radios (which the radios in the OP aren't for MURS and thus illegal)
MARINE - Illegal to use on land - period (unless you're a bridgetender or something)
WEATHER - receive all you want but don't transmit on those frequencies licensed or not
BUSINESS - technically falls under the other VHF/UHF license requirements but you'll need a licence to "own" a frequency.
All of this applies to transmitting - nothing says you can't receive on a radio set up like this (though it is technically illegal to do so on some bands). To those who think that they don't need "no steenkin' license" I would simply point out that it's gonna be hard to master the skill of communication on several bands in the cold and dark. Good luck with that.
The scanner idea is a good one and an excellent entree into the world of radio. Get your license (it isn't really that hard) and learn to use your stuff. You'll be a lot more valuable to your loved ones when the shit really does hit the fan.
I used both, passed both tests missing zero questions. I spent about 10 hours total studying for my Tech license, about the same amount of time studying for my General Class license.
The Tech License test is 35 questions based mostly on operating principles, FCC rules and common sense. A 10 year old can pass it easily.
The General Class is a little harder requiring some basic electronics principles, more FCC rules, operating principles and common sense.
I've been a "ham" for 5 years. Great hobby, absolutely love it. It's the one hobby where you can spend as little as you want and still talk great distances, or spent alot of money (like I did) putting up towers, big beams, etc.. and talk the world.
I'm not a "full blown" SHTF prepper like some are on here -- we have our food reserves, fuel reserves, own power generation and can live off-grid for about 6 months before we get into trouble. My amateur radio station I can operate completely off-grid via my generators and do so on Field Day each year.
A Tech License grants 10M phone permissions between 28.300 and 28.500, which is basically useless with propagation the way it's been (terrible.) My last 10M contact was into Japan last summer on my beam and 100 watts. That's the ONLY time I've heard Japan in 5 years on any band sitting here in the midwest.
If ya have time Al ....your opinion is valued ....stay safe !
HF is my preference. Other than a skip zone here or there it is very reliable.
Here is my solar powered WB6YNM ham station. A Kenwood HF rig and a Kenwood 2m rig, plus a 2m packet KPC-3P packet TNC and an old Motorola 2m radio running 65 watts 24/7. The station is powered by an Optima 12V battery that are charged with 3 solar panels. I typically get 3 amp charge in bright sun.
I have one of the Baofeng 2m HT radios and have a cable for it so I can also run 2m packet on it. I don't have an antenna adapter so I can use my big Diamond F23A 2m antenna with a 7.8 dB gain.
usconservative do you have the part number for the adapter for the Baofeng to PL259 or the one you used?
I like the Baofeng and it can't be beat for the price.
Good Hunting... from Varmint Al
Kartographer, could you add me to the prepped ping list? Thanks
I would say that 15 meters is your best bet for working JA...that’s where I have about 20 JAs over the last couple of years. Also have them confirmed on 80, 20, 17, 12 and 10 during the same period, phone and CW. Still need to catch them on 30 and 40 meters.
That’s with wire antennas and I don’t own an amp.
Located in western Kentucky. Contacts are about 50/50 phone and CW. Right now JAs strong on 17m. 73
Great, I need to put up a 17m wire now ..... been meaning to rebuild my fan dipole anyway. Now’s as good a time as any. Tried tuning 17m on my Mosley Tri-Bander .... to say that doesn’t work so well would be an understatement!