Skip to comments.Senate to vote first... Don't all revenue bill start first in the House?
Posted on 10/16/2013 12:06:53 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
I thought that all revenue bills had to start first in the House of Reps...
Is Reid's move unconstitutional?
What say you?
And what if it fails in the hose at around 11:00 pm tonight?
Now, that would be a show worth watching.
That’s just that silly Constitution, it also says they are supposed to have a budget EVERY year.
Of course it is. Like anyone in Washington cares, though.
Like Hilary says: What Difference does it make.
Nothing these turds have done in the last 5 years has been Constitutional.
The senate or the president can send a proposed bill or budget or can rewrite/modify bills sent from the house back to the house for consideration but approval or disapproval and final say over what the bill will say lies solely with the house.
The house can modify the latest sellout by the senate GOP and chuck it back to the senate for approval or disapproval.
It won’t fail in the house because Bonehead and Cantor have worked
a bad deal with Pelosi. With Rat support, Bonehead will get the Rat votes
He needs to pass it.
Maybe. We’ll see. I’m rooting for a last minute firebombing of the deal. That would be priceless. We’d all wake up tomorrow and the world will have ended while we were sleeping. LOL
If he passes a budget deal that is not supported by the majority of his own caucus, I expect Boehner will resign his speakership in the next few days rather than have his caucus oust him after his capitulation to the Dems.
If all GOP House members vote NO, will the bill pass?
Yes and so was Obamacare. If the GOP leadership had any balls, the response would be ... any and all revenue bills MUST come from the House as per the Constitution. Since Mr. Reid is attempting an unconstitutional power play, the bill will NOT be accepted.
No, if no Republicans voted for it, it would not pass. But the chances of 0 House Republicans voting to pass it are slim to none. Remember, out of all the Republicans that initially started this showdown, 12 of them backed down entirely within one day of the gov’t shutdown. Many other House Republicans are not representing the Tea Party at all and so the probability that the Republicans who are not specifically representing the Tea Party would all vote No is rather low at best.
No, it wouldn’t, but all the House Republicans won’t vote ‘no’.
Don’t get me wrong, I hoping it does not pass either. But the DC elites
will do whatever it takes to pass it. And if that means Bonehead and Cantor
bypassing conservatives and getting rat votes to pass it, that is what they
will do. After all, with the exception of several handful of conservatives, it’s
one big fraternity in DC.
Sad to watch them give in so easily, but they did at least engage in a bit of brinksmanship this time.
I think the EBT snafu is what really made up their mind. That was a shot across the bow and an indication of how far Obama would go if they pushed him on this.
In the end, they feared what the madman would do. So they folded.
We should be so lucky. Then we get Cantor, the lady in waiting. That will be
0bamacare is said to be unconstitutional due precisely to that issue.
Fat lot of difference it makes.
I know and I realize it won’t happen, but just think of the ratings for cable news if it did. The ads they could sell!
The House will just “pretend” that they came up with the bill, and it will be all good.
I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but that's all it would take to satisfy the language of the Constitution.
Constitution? Laws? You must be mistaken. This is the Communist States of America, soon to be destroyed. Khrushchev was right - the communists will take over without firing a shot!
The Constitution was written in Olde English over a hundred years ago. Nobody can understand it.
If all vote no, then no. But the RINO’s will not vote no. They will stampede
to vote yes.
Even if there were, there would be little they could do once the bill was brought up to a House vote by Boehner. Once that happens, only around 20 Republican votes would be needed to pass it - and at this point it is all but guaranteed that the House has 20 Republicans who would pass it regardless of what Heritage and Club for Growth tells them.
When I heard about that I immediately knew it was a demonstration to Boehner & McConnell about what would happen on a larger scale if the usurper's agenda were thwarted in any way. Serfdom here we are.
“Is Reid’s move unconstitutional?”
No. The Constitutional power of the purse was given to the rats by the House, by not forcing a required yearly budget from the Senate. Instead the House allowed CR’s for the last 4 years to be common place. Pls correct me if I am wrong. This is my understanding.
It’s shocking how bad a man our President has turned out to be. You know, you sit back and say, “I may not agree with what you do, but you’re a good person.”, to most of the people you disagree with in life.
But not this guy. He really is a bad person. To the core.
This package is not a revenue bill. It does not change the Internal Revenue Code. It’s a spending bill. There is a difference.
Article 1, Section 7 states “All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other bills.” To my thinking “raising revenue” means imposing taxes, fees, duties, etc. It does not mean spending monies. It does not mean increasing the debt limit. Therefore, it is irrelevant which chamber this bill originated in (unless it raises revenue).
Spending bills can originate in the Senate; bills “raising revenue” cannot.
That is no longer the case.
Many of us realized that back in ‘08 before he was elected the first time.
Frankly, I thought he was more of an empty suit back then.
It's a done deal. It was over in 2008. Finalization will come with The Hildabeast. I seriously feel it may be best to leave this country will you still can.
That would require some amount of shame. Something Boehner has none of.
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