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MOSCOW TALK A SUCCESS, ROOSEVELT SAYS; OCCUPATION OF EUROPE IS BELIEVED FIXED (10/30/43)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 10/30/43 | John H. Crider, Bertram D. Hulen, Milton Bracker, A.C. Sedgwick

Posted on 10/30/2013 4:11:49 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: milhist; realtime; worldwarii
Free Republic University, Department of History presents World War II Plus 70 Years: Seminar and Discussion Forum
First session: September 1, 2009. Last date to add: September 2, 2015.
Reading assignment: New York Times articles delivered daily to students on the 70th anniversary of original publication date. (Previously posted articles can be found by searching on keyword “realtime” Or view Homer’s posting history .)
To add this class to or drop it from your schedule notify Admissions and Records (Attn: Homer_J_Simpson) by freepmail. Those on the Realtime +/- 70 Years ping list are automatically enrolled. Course description, prerequisites and tuition information is available at the bottom of Homer’s profile. Also visit our general discussion thread.
1 posted on 10/30/2013 4:11:49 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Selections from West Point Atlas for the Second World War
Soviet Summer and Fall Offensives: Operations, 17 July-1 December 1943
Allied Advance to Volturno River, Reorganization, and Attack on Gustav Line (17 January-11 May 1944)
The Far East and the Pacific, 1941: Status of Forces and Allied Theater Boundaries, 2 July 1942
India-Burma, 1942: Allied Lines of Communication, 1942-1943
South Pacific Operations: Advance to Bougainville, 27 October-15 December 1943
New Guinea and Alamo Force Operations: Clearing the Huon Peninsula and Securing the Straits, 19 September 1943-26 April 1944
Cartwheel, the Seizure of the Gilberts and Marshalls, and Concurrent Air and Naval Operations, 30 June 1943-26 April 1944
2 posted on 10/30/2013 4:12:31 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Stephen E. Ambrose, Band of Brothers

3 posted on 10/30/2013 4:13:33 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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The first of these excerpts is continued from October 5. The second from October 27.

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Winston S. Churchill, Closing the Ring

4 posted on 10/30/2013 4:14:11 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Billboard Top Ten for the Week of October 30, 1943

#1 - “Pistol Packin’ Mama” - Al Dexter
#2 – “Paper Doll” - Mills Brothers
#3 - “Sunday Monday or Always” - Bing Crosby, with the Ken Darby Singers
#4 - “People Will Say We’re in Love” - Bing Crosby, with Trudy Erwin
#5 - “I Heard You Cried Last Night” - Harry James, with Helen Forrest
#6 – “People Will Say We’re in Love” - Frank Sinatra, with the Bobby Tucker Singers
#7 – “You’ll Never Know” - Dick Haymes, with the Song Spinners
#8 – “Put Your Arms Around Me Honey” - Dick Haymes, with the Song Spinners
#9 - “In the Blue of the Evening” - Tommy Dorsey, with Frank Sinatra
#10 - “Put Your Arms Around Me Honey” – Dick Kuhn with vocal Trio

5 posted on 10/30/2013 4:14:58 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; 2banana; henkster; meandog; ...
President Joyful (Crider) – 2
War News Summarized – 2
Post-War Military Accords Reported Settled in Moscow (Hulen) – 3
Nazi Line Menaced (Bracker) – 3-4
Big Italian Force Battles at Border (Sedgwick) – 5
Germany Pledges Pontiff’s Safety – 6
Red Army Strikes Closer to Nikopol – 7
Choiseul Invaded by American Unit – 8
The Texts of the Day’s Communiques on the War – 9-10
6 posted on 10/30/2013 4:16:04 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://www.onwar.com/chrono/1943/oct1943/f30oct43.htm

US Army breaks German Barbara Line
Saturday, October 30, 1943 www.onwar.com

An American column advances in Italy [photo at link]

In Italy... The US 5th Army captures Mondragone on the west coast after penetrating the German Barbara Line defenses in the area. Other elements of the army, further inland, continue their advance.

On the Eastern Front... Soviet forces advancing across the Nogaysk Steppe reach Genichesk, cutting one land route with the Crimea, where sizeable German forces are located.

In the Solomon Islands... The US 2nd Marine Parachute Battalion on Choiseul continue to engage Japanese forces. This is a diversion from the intended attack on Bougainville.


7 posted on 10/30/2013 4:17:02 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://www.etherit.co.uk/month/thismonth/30.htm

October 30th, 1943 (SATURDAY)

UNITED KINGDOM: In London, the Moscow Conference of Foreign Ministers ends after considering certain politico-military issues. Although a tripartite conference (American-British-Soviet), the Chinese representatives have participated in some phases. Conferees agree to demand “unconditional surrender” of Germany and establish a world organization for peace (the U.N.). Discussions lead to establishment later in London of European Advisory Commission to study and make recommendations on problems relating to termination of the war in Europe. The groundwork is laid for a conference of U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin at Teheran, Iran. Other agreements include the decision that China should join the alliance as the fourth major power.

Frigate HMS Condamine laid down.

Frigates HMS Lochy, Rowley, Seychelles launched.

Minesweeper HMS Parkes launched.

Submarine HMS Thorough launched.

Destroyer HMS Tenacious commissioned.

Frigate HMS Byron commissioned.

FRANCE: Five USAAF Ninth Air Force B-26 Marauders bomb Maupertus Airfield, 6.9 miles (11 kilometers) east of Cherbourg.

GERMANY:

U-1406 laid down.

U-483 launched.

U.S.S.R.: Soviet units reach Genichesk. This cuts one of the German exit from the Crimea.

ITALY: Mondragone falls to units of the US 5th Army. This marks a penetration of the Barbara Line. The hilly terrain and tenacious defence slows the other units of the Army inland.

USAAF Twelfth Air Force B-17 Flying Fortresses and B-24 Liberators bomb five targets: 26 hit a target of opportunity (TO) at Savona, 20 bomb the Genoa marshalling yard (M/Y), seven attack the Imperia M/Y, five hit a TO at Varazze and two bomb a TO at Port Maurizio. Weather reduces the efforts of Northwest African Tactical Air Force elements; Northwest Tactical Bomber Force B-25 Mitchells bomb Frosinone; fighter-bombers, mainly of the XII Air Support Command, hit bridges, junctions, shipping, marshalling yard, gun positions, and vehicles at several locations, including Giulianova, Ancona, Ortona, Sessa Aurunca, Mignano, and Cassino.

During the night of 30/31 October, 31 RAF bombers of No. 205 (Heavy Bomber) Group bomb the Grosseto marshalling yard.

CHINA: Seven USAAF Fourteenth Air Force B-25 Mitchells and 12 P-40s attack the motor pool and barracks at Shayang while nine P-38 Lightnings hit the Chiuchiang dock area and shoot down two interceptors.

BISMARCK ARCHIPELAGO: USAAF Fifth Air Force B-25 Mitchells strafe barges in Rein Bay on New Britain Island.

SOLOMON ISLANDS: USAAF Thirteenth Air Force aircraft attack targets on Bougainville. Sixteen B-24 Liberators bomb Kara Airfield and shortly afterwards it is hit by 68 SBD Dauntlesses and 27 TBF Avengers escorted by USN and AAF fighters; the airstrip and other targets at Kieta on the west coast are attacked by six B-25 Mitchells, 12 P-39 Airacobras and 20 USN aircraft; and the Tonolai harbor area off Kahilli in the southern part of Bougainville is hit by eight P-40s and 17 USN fighters. U.S. aircraft sink a Japanese transport near Kieta.

PACIFIC OCEAN: 1700 hours: USS Seahorse (SS-304) sinks a sampan at 30-48 N, 135-36 E. (Skip Guidry)

CANADA:

Minesweeper HMS Flying Fish (ex HMCS Tillsonburg) laid down Toronto, Ontario.

Frigate HMCS Longueuil launched Montreal, Province of Quebec.

Minesweepers HMCS Fort Frances and Kapuskasing launched Port Arthur, Ontario.

U.S.A.: “Pistol Packin’ Mama” by Al Dexter and his Troopers reaches Number 1 on the Billboard Pop Singles chart in the U.S. This song, which debuted on the charts on 28 August 1943, was charted for 17 weeks, was Number 1 for 1 week and was ranked Number 11 for the year 1943.

Destroyer escorts USS Stockdale, Price, Henry R Kenyon launched.

Submarine USS Sea Cat laid down.

Minesweeper USS Reign laid down.

Destroyer USS Harry E Hubbard laid down.

Frigate USS Charlotte launched.

Destroyer USS Monssen launched.

Destroyer escorts USS Mosley, Bangust, Newell and Richey commissioned.

Destroyer USS Porterfield commissioned.

ATLANTIC OCEAN: U-415 shot down RAF Wellington aircraft (Sqn 612/C). No survivors from aircraft, the boat had to abort its patrol due to damages sustained.


8 posted on 10/30/2013 4:18:20 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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so this is where FDR set the stage for Eastern Europe to be commie?


9 posted on 10/30/2013 6:24:07 AM PDT by GeronL
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One wonders if Capt. Sobel would have been “fragged” if he had actually been allowed to lead his company into combat.


10 posted on 10/30/2013 6:40:33 AM PDT by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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From what I saw of Cpt. Sobel's map reading skills, he probably couldn't have found the combat.

It's curious they are referring to the part of Southern Ukraine near the Crimea as the Nogais Steppe. The Nogais are a mixed Mongol/Turkic people who were named for Nogai Khan, a Mongol general. After the Russians took the region and destroyed the Astrakhan and Crimean Khanates, the Nogai were resettled elsewhere. Some went to Turkey, as they had been loyal to the Ottoman Empire.

In any event, the Russians are still chewing up real estate down there at a very fast pace.

11 posted on 10/30/2013 1:35:51 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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The one thing the Times mentioned is how difficult the Nogaisk Steppe is for the defender. It’s flat as a pancake, with very few natural features on which a defender could rely upon. It is nothing but grassland from horizon to horizon, and in summer above is only a cloudless sky. When the Germans advanced across it in 1941, it conjured up the idea of being lost in the middle of an immense ocean. I doubt they feel any better about it now.


12 posted on 10/30/2013 5:10:51 PM PDT by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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