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Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?
The Globe and Mail ^ | Nov. 02 2013 | JOHN DOYLE

Posted on 11/03/2013 8:58:27 AM PST by rickmichaels

And so it begins – the plentiful coverage of the 50th anniversary of the assassination of U.S. president John F. Kennedy. The date itself is weeks away and there will be countless commemorative programs, specials and copious punditry on TV.

JFK: The Smoking Gun (Sunday, Discovery, 8 p.m.) is one of the most controversial of the bunch. Made for the tiny U.S. cable channel Reelz, it’s a two-hour docudrama based on the book of the same name by former Australian police detective Colin McLaren. He claims to have spent years on “the forensic cold-case investigation of JFK’s assassination” and says he believes he has found “the smoking gun” that killed the president. His conclusion is not the accepted story.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: conspiracytheory; dallas; dealeyplaza; jfk; jfkassassination; johnfkennedy; kennedy; kennedyassassination; mafia; smokinggun; ss; texas; usss
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To: walkingdead

I personslly recovered a .308 fmj round laying on the ground after passing through a car. Looked like new.


61 posted on 11/03/2013 10:02:54 AM PST by IBIAFR
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To: tflabo
“And the little murderous leftist Oswald also killed a Dallas police officer afterwards.”

The evidence of that fact is one of those troubling inconsistencies that make me question the veracity of anything and everything about the JFK assassination.

http://scribblguy.50megs.com/tippit.htm

http://whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm

62 posted on 11/03/2013 10:05:57 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: shadeaud

According to one of the conspiracy folks favorite witnesses and the woman who was probably the closest to the car at the time of the headshot, Jean Hill, the lady in the red coat on the zapruder film.....Jackie and JFK were petting the little dog in their lap at the time he was hit in the head.....it’s in her original account to reporters ....so maybe it was the dog killing police after all


63 posted on 11/03/2013 10:10:00 AM PST by thestob ( Paul Ryan is determined to destroy our country)
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To: Artcore
As an aside, I wonder if the film that was taken by the Babushka Lady (whom I think was never located) has any additional evidence? Even after the shot, it appears she kept right on rolling.

If that film is ever located, it will be the clearest look at the assassination we've ever seen. She was much, much closer to the event than Zapruder.

64 posted on 11/03/2013 10:10:07 AM PST by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Artcore; laplata
The head shot came from the front.

Fine, show us the proof of this...

...AND there was a bump in the road.


65 posted on 11/03/2013 10:10:51 AM PST by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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To: Yaelle
Why would a mafioso take the trouble to kill a lone crazed gunman and get caught?

Why would a lone crazed gunman hunt down, shoot and kill a TSA agent and get caught?

66 posted on 11/03/2013 10:11:52 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Yaelle

There were people in the CIA, Mob, etc. who were happy that he was killed.


67 posted on 11/03/2013 10:16:33 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Artcore
Most theories are nutty indeed but all one had to do is look at who Oswald was, where he was, who his associates were and what he claims he did.

Look at his connection to the FBI as an informant, pretending to be a pro-Communist radical.

Forget about bullet trajectories, evidence was destroyed or altered - look at LHO. Look at his operator in the Dallas area George de Mohrenschildt who killed himself before having to testify in 1978. Look at who Ruby was. From these angles you will see a conspiracy.

68 posted on 11/03/2013 10:28:38 AM PST by Netz
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To: laplata

The best show I’ve seen on the JFK assassination was done on the old Court TV network on an episode of Forensic Files. Tough to find, but an excellent “forensic evidence” look at the incident. They don’t get into the conspiracy part of it other than the fact that Oswald was the only shooter who struck JFK. Very detailed look, which is probably why its tough to get. Puts a lot of “theories” to rest.


69 posted on 11/03/2013 10:33:12 AM PST by cumbo78
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To: IBIAFR

“That was my first impression of the sceen. I expected a long range, difficult shot.

It’s not.”

So very true. For those of you who have not been to the location, the yardage is incredibly close, and just inside the window was set up with boxes as a rest.

The location of the shot is set so the target would be going straight away from you. For those of you who do not hunt/shoot, a shot in-line, especially going AWAY from you, is the easiest shot at any moving target.

If Oswald’s rifle was properly zero’d the question becomes could he miss? I mean it really is that close.

With all this being said, there is one spot that I have never really heard that much about. The bridge that the Kennedy car races off under after the shot.... if you follow that bridge to the right it intersects “the grassy knoll” fence line, although a lot farther down from where everyone says the shooter was.

At this exact point there is a storm drain (one of those slit types you see at intersections although industrial size). This, I believe, is the only place you could have shot from the front and had no one see it, then leave the area with no one witnessing it. (note, slit opening is not facing the street, a shooter would have to be out of the drain when shooting. If that storm drain was even there in the those days....)

IMO, a full size rifle, shooting from the supposed “grassy knoll” area is, could not happen. People would’ve known where the shooter was not by the sound, but by FEELING the rifle going off, heck some of the people in the picture probably would’ve gotten powder burn lol!


70 posted on 11/03/2013 10:45:01 AM PST by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: rickmichaels
I've read Mortal Error, it's a compelling theory.

One thing is irrefutable, the Secret Service follow-up car had a clear line of sight to the back of Kennedy's head and torso.


71 posted on 11/03/2013 10:45:15 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: IBIAFR

.308 uses a spritzer design, and by your description I am going to assume that the round did not pass through anything substantial on it’s way through the car. I have personally pulled .30 cal rounds, shot from cartridges with less powder than the .308, and they were darn near bent in half. Bullets definitely do weird things, I do not argue that fact.

But the 6.5 that Oswald was using is not of a spritzer design and is exceptionally long (a lot of old bullet designs are like that). The lack of any shape deformation, on the bullet displayed at the museum, is one of the things that lead me to believe the bullet shown may be less than authentic.


72 posted on 11/03/2013 10:55:17 AM PST by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: walkingdead

Ha ha, spitzer not spritzer.... Shouldn’t watch NFL and type bullet design at the same time. I love each one too much to divide them equally!


73 posted on 11/03/2013 11:04:06 AM PST by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: Artcore
I haven't been there but taught a class on the assassination, and my colleague who taught the case with me did visit the TBD and said "You or I could have made that shot."

In the 1960s, a Baltimore TV station did a test. They set up a track and a tower to the same specs as the TBD and the street. They invited 10 shooters to try and hit a moving target in 6.6 seconds with a M-C bolt rifle. All 10 got off 3 shots. three got two hits. The last guy, shooting in a rainstorm was 3/3. It's not a tough shot.

74 posted on 11/03/2013 11:11:37 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: CodeToad
Agreed. I spent an afternoon in Dealy Plaza and an hour at Oswald's sniper perch last summer, and it was indeed a very easy shot. The "magic bullet" issue is easily explained by the fact that the center seat in which Connally was riding is OFFSET from where JFK was sitting. They were NOT positioned directly in front of each other.

The idea that a secret service agent fired the final head shot is just stupid.

75 posted on 11/03/2013 11:12:03 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: laplata
His head jerked backward and the blood and brain spray went back as well. Look at the film.

Err...no you are wrong...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU83R7rpXQY

The reason JFK arms were pulled up was becaasue the first shot went into his back which is a reflex...

You can CLEARLY see his brains and blood exploding from the front part of his skull like a bullet entering his rear skull...

Case closed..

76 posted on 11/03/2013 11:13:30 AM PST by Popman
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To: laplata

No it didn’t. I’ve been at the site, and there is no where from which that shot could have been fired without the shooter actually standing on the sidewalk as JFK’s limo was approaching. A cleaned-up and stabilized version of the Zapruder film clearly shows the final bullet striking JFK’s head from the rear and at an angle, thus shearing it off and blowing his brains out the front.


77 posted on 11/03/2013 11:14:50 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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Seems like something similar was peddled about twenty years ago, book and documentary.

JFK was shot (twice) by an assassin hired by the mob, firing from the second floor of the then-County Records Bldg (the windows opened then, they don’t now); Oswald was a patsy, had worked for Carlos Marcello’s mob lawyer, and was supposed to be killed at the scene; Ruby was a mobster and given the task of cleanup. No one fired from the Grassy Knoll.

Posada has something on Bush, says expert on Kennedy case
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1414565/posts?page=5#5

JFK’s fatal head wound: The truth for those who want to know (very graphic)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1027256/posts?page=237#237


78 posted on 11/03/2013 11:14:53 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: onedoug

Out of all the theories that one is my favorite nut job conspiracy one.


79 posted on 11/03/2013 11:16:30 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: tflabo

There’s the zinger - ex-marine. I never knew what to believe between the magic bullet, the grassy knoll, badge man, the man hole, etc. before I stood in the window. There’s no way an ex-marine would have taken that shot. Not with the street curving down and away. The logical time would have been when he was coming up Houston St. or as the car was making the corner onto Elm. He’d have had all the time in the world before that but once on Elm he’d have just been firing wildly. He’d have been literally hanging out the window to get the angle. All the books and tv shows simply can’t show the angle properly. I’ll give you 2 seconds in that window before you’re yelling LIES!


80 posted on 11/03/2013 11:16:51 AM PST by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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