Tis the season.
Posted on 11/10/2013 10:01:34 PM PST by Kevmo
I'm looking for a semi-auto CO2 powered bbgun for my son. We intend to replace the stock with a wooden one that he'll make in his woodshop class.
This is an intersection of several projects. It needs to be semi-auto with as many rounds as possible available.
We will be installing a TV remote motion sensing target system for critters in the back yard and... because... it's a fun project. But that precludes pump action, needs to be CO2 powered.
It needs to be a long barrel rifle because of accuracy and also the mechanism for clampdown requires a long, steel barrel. I'm impressed with how many semi-auto CO2 bb Pistols there are, but they won't work with our planned clamp-down & accuracy issues.
http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-Repeat-Semi-Automatic-Pellet-Rifle/product-reviews/B00GGO2E4E/ref=cm_cr_pr_btm_link_next_8?ie=UTF8&pageNumber=8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=byRankDescending
The Crossman 1077 is pretty close, especially for the price. But it shoots only pellets. Isn't there a similar item that shoots bb's? This device seems to have manufacturing problems, judging on the reviews at Amazon & other vendors. Any way around this? Our projects will likely end up with the device sitting around for a week at a time, hoping that the CO2 charge is still there for us. That appears to be an issue with the 1077.
It would seem that the 1077 is the only device in the price range of ~$100 for Xmas.
Is there a bigger capacity magazine available?
I know, I know.... cue the kid from Christmas Story who wanted a Red Rider bb gun: "You'll shoot your eye out, kid."
BB = inaccurate.
If you are series, ought to look at one of the high pressure air pellet repeaters like the Marauder or Hatsan 44.
Why do you wanna do that? He’ll shoot his eye out.
Kind of hard to find something for under $100.
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Winchester_M14_CO2_Air_Rifle/2719
Tis the season.
Best bet: paintball gun. For BB's and .177 cal pellets Crosman is a much much better choice, and .22 works even better. For a repeater, forget it. Daisy is junk, but for accuracy practice, look for foreign manufacturors for the best choice. A name like Feinwerkerbaugh among others (breakbarrel / spring) were much spoken of in years past, and Sherman Arms was no slouch either. Not certain what is out there now, but your request as it stands is a pipe dream.
Agree with post #2: BB = good for balloon popping and not much else.
***BB’s are easier to handle in a mechanized reloading system.
BB's and accuracy do not work together. There was a reason we progressed from a Minie Ball projectile to todays cylindrical slug travelling down a rifled barrel for greater range and accuracy.
Repeating BB-spouters are not going to win any accuracy awards.
Does it need to have a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time?
Repeating BB-spouters are not going to win any accuracy awards.
***But if the BB spouter keeps shooting when the Pellet gun has jammed, that makes the case for more ordinance on target. Looking at the projects we’ll be working on, I would say that reliability trumps accuracy... for these projects. At least for now. I like that the Winchester M14 has a higher capacity magazine and shoots both bb’s and pellets.
It does seem that paint pellet guns have really progressed over the last few years. But I haven’t heard of anyone posting off critters with paintball guns.
While quantity has a quality all its own, there comes a point of diminishing returns. Roughly 387 shots fired for 6 hits, only one of which is fatal, might get the result of downing your target... eventually... but is not what most would consider an optimal choice all things considered. There is a reason why the adage "One Shot, One Kill" is so revered as a standard.
Plus, sooner or later you run out of "ordinance" with that strategy.
It does seem that paint pellet guns have really progressed over the last few years. But I haven’t heard of anyone posting off critters with paintball guns.
You need to think outside the box a bit more.
Pellets of .177, .22, and even .20 (a la Sheridon fame), .25, .30, and .32 are but a few examples of what is possible. There are indeed projectile-throwers of greater than .177 out there that have been refined over the decades into truly impressive weapons. However, if your primary objective is simply to put lots of BB's into a mass-produced printed telephone directory then you really need to rethink your requirements.
I base things from the point of getting a shot into the target as accurately as possible, since I will probably be shooting from a large distance, to get the prey into the cookpot. Plus, more projectiles used equals more expenditure per round discharged. Not a very effective way to manage limited resources.
A repeating BB-hose however, will pop you lots of balloons, so YMMV.
You’d be much better off with a spring-piston pellet gun. Power and accuracy will be much higher, and with a single-shot you learn to make every shot count.
This seems to be a rather not well thought out project to put it mildly. What happens when the neighbors cat or kid wanders in? What are the goals of this project? Getting rid of pests? If so there are much better ways. No matter how well designed your Rube-Goldberg would be you could never guarantee a clean kill. I would hate to have an animal only wounded by your contraption. That's not humane.
Replace the words "critters in the back yard" with, "illegal Measles-infected Mexicans turning my pecan grove into a rape tree forest", and this concept becomes more and more well "thought out".
Blah, blah, blah. The kid wants a BB gun, get him a BB gun:
http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/
Crosman, Daisy, Baikal... whatever. Many under a hundred bucks.
If he's old enough to have researched it, yes, then he wants a pellet gun. I didn't know what I wanted and Dad knew best. The pellet gun was so accurate one of my clear childhood memories was a friend challenging me to shoot the end of a twig off at a distance and I got it. He responded "WOW - I WANT TO TRY IT!" Great fun...
The kid wants a BB gun, get him a BB gun.
Sounds like it will be easy to go through a lot of CO2 cartridges quick. I must be old because I prefer having to cock a BB/pellet gun between shots.
Let us know what you end up with and any insights that come from the project.
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