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1/3/14

Posted on 01/03/2014 2:39:13 PM PST by Kartographer

Weekly Preppers'Thread to post progress, good buys, DIY projects, advice and ideas .....


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To start things out I like to recomemend a new preparedness book called: 'When There is No Fema'.

This book is written by our own fellow FReeper 'The Duke' and after review I highly recomend it as and excelent Primer for beginners as well as a good reference book for all Preppers.

Duke's goal as he states in his book is to merely save lives! I see him as a fellow watch who has bonded himself to to oath to blow the trumpet should he see the sword coming.

The book is very complete with everything from basic preparations to recomendations for forming a community government after a SHTF event.

The Duke has no axes to grind and no agenda to promote and his goal like mine is to see that as many people survive as possible, so that we can recover from any event quicker and stronger than if we had not prepared.

By being able to stand alone, we strenghten not just our own position during SHTF, but that of others as well. Every resource we provide for ourselves mean that much more of what limited resources any First Responders may have can go to those in more desperate need. Those preppared can even help by being first responders providing help in many ways.

Many are times shtf has come, but the world does not end, things merely change. As preppers its our job to make sure we have what is need to make it through those changes.

'When There is No Fema' is Kartographer recomended as a GOOD addition to anyones library.

1 posted on 01/03/2014 2:39:13 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: The Duke; appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppares’ PING!!


2 posted on 01/03/2014 2:40:07 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

This it?

http://nofema.com/NoFemaPreview.pdf


3 posted on 01/03/2014 2:47:22 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Kartographer

Read, practice and make friends.


4 posted on 01/03/2014 2:50:31 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Kartographer

We are all so screwed.


5 posted on 01/03/2014 2:57:19 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Kartographer

I don’t know what other people are paying for ammunition, but Walmart had a case of 1200 rounds of 9mm for $497.00. The back was facing me so I couldn’t find out more details about what brand and how many grains.


6 posted on 01/03/2014 3:02:07 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: carriage_hill

That’s it!


7 posted on 01/03/2014 3:09:43 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

8 posted on 01/03/2014 3:16:36 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Kartographer

Where do you get the book?

Emergency Essentials has a sale on beef roast @29% off, and sausage crumbles @ 43% off when purchasing 12 cans.


9 posted on 01/03/2014 3:23:22 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Kartographer
Finally set aside enough money to have a wood stove installed this summer - the kind you can cook on top of.

Bought a new steel rack for (more) basement preps, better organized them, too.

Made a list of weak points to address this spring and summer. I've got the basics covered, now it's a matter of fine-tuning and adding capacity (more garden space, rain barrels, etc)

Working at making more local Prepper contacts - church, neighbors - and how to communicate with each other when the SHTF.

10 posted on 01/03/2014 3:24:41 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Kartographer

No, $32.00 is too much for a book. I’d like to know what he says about using swimming pool water, but not at that price.


11 posted on 01/03/2014 3:27:19 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Sawdring

115gr, fmj, fairly clean, and adequate for the price but not great (not terrible either). The good thing is that you won’t run out for a while.


12 posted on 01/03/2014 3:30:13 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Lazamataz

“We are all so screwed.”

“We” aren’t, you are - not.


13 posted on 01/03/2014 3:34:50 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Sawdring

My local Walmart has been well stocked lately. I work nights and stop by there after work maybe twice a week (0830 or so). I have various calibers and my plan has always been to diversify. They limit us to 3 boxes in any one visit\day. I buy 100 packs when they are available or 250 mega packs, like I did this morning. Remington UMC 9mm 115 grain metal case 250 round pack (shoots great out of my Glock 17) $69.00. Bought 2 of those. Remington UMC .45 cal 230 grain metal case 250 round pack $109.00. The day before I bought the Winchester 100 round boxes (3) of .40 cal for $37.00. Had a nice discussion with “Cliff”, who rang me up, about news I have heard about lead-based bullits soon being replaced with more expensive to make materials. My motto is that if it’s cheap, available, and I have the funds, I’ll buy. Nothing available or cheap 1 year ago. Just saying.


14 posted on 01/03/2014 4:16:02 PM PST by Philsworld
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To: Lazamataz

An empty metal coffee can with a fat candle makes a nice little stove. Folks in the northern part of our country usually carry one of these in the trunk of the car...along with a book of matches. If you get stuck in the snow, you have some warmth.


15 posted on 01/03/2014 4:21:10 PM PST by abclily
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To: Kartographer

Today I replaced the batteries in smoke alarms and gun safes, so that they will always have plenty of life (the old batteries go into flashlights rather than getting thrown away). I also updated my “Emergency List” of last minute purchases to make if it appears that things are about to turn bad.

Leading the list:
MANY gallons of cooking oil (short shelf life, so it’s always nice to have more)
Socks and underwear (again, elastic goes bad, and it’s nice to be comfy)
Toilet paper, wipes, and tissues (lots of bulk, and while I have a year’s supply, more would be nice if I had warning)
Insecticide and rat poison (shelf life, again)
Plywood and 2x4s (bulk again)
More seeds (shelf life, again)
Antibiotics (shelf life, once more)
Multivitamin supplements (shelf life)
More bleach (shelf life)
Chocolate, coffee, tea, spices (shelf life)
More soap, detergent, and cleaning supplies (bulk - to share with neighbors)

I don’t need more food for the calories or for variety, nor do I need more equipment for self-defense, water purification, cooking, hand tools, reference or entertainment books, or batteries. I am (thanks in large part to this group) pretty well prepared other than items that are bulky or that expire.

My weak areas:
- Only about a third of my neighbors are people I trust to be helpful. Some may surprise me by becoming useful, but many will not be on my side if things go badly.
- I’m 20 miles from a city of 600,000. I think that’s far enough that relatively few refugees will make it, but close enough that those who do come will be dangerous and experienced at looting.

Any thoughts? Does anyone else have a last minute list?


16 posted on 01/03/2014 4:21:59 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1
More bleach (shelf life)

Unfortunately, the average shelf life of liquid bleach (being stored between 50 and 70 degrees Fahrenheit) is around 6 months. After that, bleach will lose 20% of its strength at around the year mark and then 20% each year after that

Liquid chlorine bleach is a solution made from mostly water and 3-6% Sodium Hypochlorite. The homemade variety is made from Calcium Hypochlorite which you can easily find as “pool shock” at your pool-supplier store or Walmart.

The major benefit of using Calcium Hypochlorite over Sodium Hypochlorite is shelf life. Calcium Hypochlorite (pool shock) is sold in a solid granular form and has a 10 year shelf life when stored in a cool, dark place. This will easily meet your long-term storage needs. The other benefit is the amount of available chlorine. The concentration of chlorine is much higher with Calcium Hypochlorite. For example, a small 1-pound bag of calcium hypochlorite can disinfect up to 10,000 gallons of drinking water. That’s around 5 gallons/day for one person for 5 1/2 years! Not bad for only 1 lb of granules. One needs to use calcium hypochlorite that has around 70% available chlorine.

If you’re buying pool shock, on the back of the bag it will tell you what percentage of chlorine is available. The one I use is called “Zappit 73 Pool Shock, it is pure calcium hyphochlorite that contains up to 73% available chlorine and sells for around $5 for a 1lb bag. To make the homemade chlorine bleach concentrated solution, you’ll need to do the following:
• Mix 2 level Tablespoons of Calcium Hypochlorite to 3 cups of water.

8 drops of the concentrated solution per gallon of water. Just like normal household bleach!

So the 3 step process is as follows:
1. Place 8 drops of homemade chlorine bleach in 1 gallon of water
2. Let stand for 30 min
3. If water is still cloudy, repeat steps until clear; otherwise it is ready to drink

It should be noted that once the homemade chlorine bleach is made it will follow the same shelf-life limitations as standard household liquid bleach. So be sure to only make amounts you will be using within that time frame (to save shelf space).


17 posted on 01/03/2014 5:05:47 PM PST by Stand Watch Listen (DEFUND the GOPe it wants our money, our votes, but NOT our principles/values/beliefs)
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To: Pollster1
Any thoughts? Does anyone else have a last minute list?

How about what I've done recently: reinforce doors and door frames. See Jamb Armor. Apply 3M security film to windows to inhibit easy break-ins or broken windows. Put small electronics (radio, LED flashlight, chargers, calculator, etc) in DIY Faraday cages (get old popcorn tins, dremel off the paint at the interface of the lid with the can, to ensure electrical continuity, put electronics in freezer bag inside the cage). This will protect against EMP.

18 posted on 01/03/2014 5:09:26 PM PST by bkopto (Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.)
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To: Marcella

Generally you shouldn’t drink swimming pool water but you can use it for cleaning and bathing until its too filled with algae.

Many of the chemicals used in pools contain things like copper. Which are bad for you.


19 posted on 01/03/2014 5:55:00 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Marcella

I found this a while back:

http://stillgettingready.blogspot.com/2013/09/drinking-swimming-pool-water-in-case-of.html


20 posted on 01/03/2014 6:20:07 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer; Marcella

Once the pump and filtration stop a swimming pool will turn a dark green with streaks of light green, orange and black within about 2 weeks. You can dump a heavy dose of shock in it to slightly prolong but without movement the water turns bad quickly.

I found this out when someone stole my pool pump, filter and the electrical box off the side of my house.


21 posted on 01/03/2014 6:30:45 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

WOW! They will steal anything now days.


22 posted on 01/03/2014 6:31:50 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: JoeProBono

Thanks for yet another laugh JPB.


23 posted on 01/03/2014 6:48:20 PM PST by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: Kartographer

Hi Kart ... thx much for recommending my book. It’s the result of 3 years burning the midnight oil.

The main web page is http://nofema. com for anyone who might be interested. You can view the table of contents and first 20-or-so pages from the preview.


24 posted on 01/03/2014 7:06:18 PM PST by The Duke ("Forgiveness is between them and God, it's my job to arrange the meeting.")
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To: Kartographer

The conclusion of the man who wrote that article you posted with a link, concluded the same thing I have after reading and studying drinking water from swimming pools. He concluded putting swimming pool water through a Berkey would make it good drinking water. I have a Big Berkey and that is what I plan to do when my other sources are short. The swimming pool in my group of townhouses holds 250,000 gallons and it will keep filling with water when it rains which is fairly often here except in August.

I also have rain collection methods at my house to put through a Berkey but that swimming pool is my Plan B, C, and D.

I’m always looking for more confirmation about swimming pools.


25 posted on 01/03/2014 7:28:12 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: driftdiver

“Generally you shouldn’t drink swimming pool water but you can use it for cleaning and bathing until its too filled with algae.”

Note my post to Kart. Using my Berkey, will purify that water.


26 posted on 01/03/2014 7:29:31 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: driftdiver

Note my post to Kart. I would use my Berkey water purifier to make good drinking water out of contaminated swimming pool water.


27 posted on 01/03/2014 7:30:55 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella

Please note my other post about what happens to pool water when the filter/pump stops. Better plan on a prefilter before you put it through your berky.


28 posted on 01/03/2014 7:48:32 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

“Better plan on a prefilter before you put it through your berky.”

I bought stacks and stacks of big coffee filters to prefilter dirty water.


29 posted on 01/03/2014 7:58:53 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella

Sand works too. Do you have sand there in Texas?

Basically take a big bucket, poke a few small holes close to the bottom and fill it with clean sand. It will filter out the gunk that you don’t want to put in your berky.


30 posted on 01/03/2014 8:10:03 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

“Sand works too. Do you have sand there in Texas?”

I don’t have sand but have plenty of the coffee filters.


31 posted on 01/03/2014 8:27:58 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella
Filters are what you need. I'm using the Aquacera Ceracarb. Takes out everything including chems and heavy metals. If you're mainly worried about biological you can use the Super Sterasyls for a few bucks cheaper.

Doulton are good too, Super Sterasyl and the Imperial Sterasyl.

They look alike, both brands made in UK, might be made by the same folks for all I know.

Biological filter with Sand, gravel and activated charcoal bucket setups made from 5 gal. Or 55 gal. Should be adequate to filter pool water for laundry, washing and irrigation.

Anyone with suggestions, please chime in.

Water is important! Duhh!

32 posted on 01/03/2014 8:39:24 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Pollster1
MANY gallons of cooking oil (short shelf life, so it’s always nice to have more

coconut oil doesn't go rancid - has long shelf like and higher burn point - and very healthy

33 posted on 01/03/2014 8:42:48 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Pollster1

Good list...good reminders. Thanks for posting your list.


34 posted on 01/03/2014 8:58:46 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Eagles6

I have a Big Berkey and two syphon Katadyns for backup. The Big Berkey is a purifier as opposed to a filter.


35 posted on 01/03/2014 9:05:27 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella
I have heard that Berkey was having issues with the blacks. Do you know if it was resolved, overblown or what? They were always the gold standard.

Can't go wrong with Katydn.

36 posted on 01/03/2014 10:14:42 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Pollster1

I don’t have a last minute list since I’m not sure I’ll get such a distinct warning in time. I just try to rotate what I have stored that needs replenishing.

But unlike you, my main is to get in a better location so I can get all the things done that you are doing.

ETA to leave Mexifornia is by the end of the year, at the latest. We’re heading to a rural area near the Appalachians on 30-50 acres. Then my real prepping can start!


37 posted on 01/03/2014 10:33:42 PM PST by yorkiemom
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To: Pollster1

Oh, do gun safes have batteries?


38 posted on 01/03/2014 10:34:40 PM PST by yorkiemom
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To: maine-iac7

Thank you. I’ll be trying extra virgin Coconut oil almost immediately.


39 posted on 01/04/2014 4:10:54 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: yorkiemom
Oh, do gun safes have batteries?

Biometric ones do, as do electronic combination safes. I have one of each. While it is possible to get in with a key too, I can open either safe without searching for a key, and other people can't, as long as the batteries are good.

40 posted on 01/04/2014 4:19:21 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: yorkiemom

Excellent. Congrats on the Mexifornia escape ;-)


41 posted on 01/04/2014 7:20:23 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Eagles6

“Berkey was having issues with the blacks.”

I got mine before that issue came up and I’m sure that was fixed (if it was ever valid) since it is the gold standard. Agencies that work in third world countries only use Berkeys so Berkey would have been all over that issue.

My son, as a director of documentary films, has been all over the world in truly arm pit places and uses the Berkey for his crew and has for over twenty years and none have ever gotten sick from water.

I got the Katadyns years ago before Berkeys were sold here. A Berkey takes out smaller impurities than the Katadyn. I had three Katadyns and this Christmas gave one of them to my sister-in-law who had nothing. I also gave her a WaterBob. They are sitting on the coast at Corpus Christi and a hurricane coming in there would surely destroy water and power. I gave her a good windup radio and solar light lantern and other items in the past.


42 posted on 01/04/2014 8:06:16 AM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella

Sounds like you have the filter issue covered then. I wouldn’t worry about the pool water.


43 posted on 01/04/2014 10:34:30 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Pollster1
I’m 20 miles from a city of 600,000. I think that’s far enough that relatively few refugees will make it

I wouldn't feel safe unless I were a tank of gas away....and 20 miles ain't! We're 165 miles east of Los Angeles, and IMO that's not far enough.

44 posted on 01/04/2014 10:50:52 AM PST by ErnBatavia (The 0baMao Experiment: Abject Failure)
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To: ErnBatavia
I wouldn't feel safe unless I were a tank of gas away....and 20 miles ain't! We're 165 miles east of Los Angeles, and IMO that's not far enough.

In my opinion, 165 miles is more than far enough. I don't believe zombies would actually drive starting with a full tank until it hit empty. More likely, they would drive to the first likely location, probably within a mile of their starting point. The survivors would then go a mile or two from that point. Refugees would drive out of the city until they literally ran out of gas and in some cases blocked their lane. I think you are more than far enough for practical purposes, if for no other reason than because as you get further from LA, you get closer to Vegas or some Arizona city.

As for 20 miles not being enough, you are almost certainly right. However, I have other considerations to balance. I suspect that 20 miles is far enough to substantially reduce both the number of zombies and their health when they arrive, and I am potentially betting my life on that.

45 posted on 01/04/2014 12:08:56 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Kartographer; TEXOKIE
I've mentioned before that I've been tinkering with nutritional databases, trying to come up with a good-tasting, all-in-one nutritional drink. I was inspired by an article a few months ago about a guy who had done so, but his recipes assumed you were taking a boatload of vitamin pills in addition to the drink. Since most nutritional supplements make me throw up, that wouldn't work for me.

I have come up with something, though. I ended up splitting it into 2 things instead of one, because of the way the flavors interacted. One is a chocolate/custard shake, the other is a soup.

Chocolate Custard Shake:
2 cups whole milk
2 Tablespoons cocoa
1 egg
UP TO 1/2 cup sugar (optional)

Heat the milk and cocoa together until the milk just starts to boil. Be careful if doing this on the stove, it can scorch easily. In a heat-proof dish, whisk the egg. Set the dish with the egg in a bowl or pan of hot water. Don't get the water too hot, you aren't cooking the egg yet, just warming it. When the milk is just starting to simmer, remove from heat and whisk it quickly into the egg. Chill, and add sugar to taste.

A couple of points:
-The heat from the milk is enough to cook the egg, so you don't have to worry about eating a raw egg. In fact, if you don't whisk it quickly enough you may find bits of poached egg in your milkshake. These bits don't hurt anything, but they can be unexpected.
-If you don't want chocolate, you can use brown sugar instead of white, and add vanilla and a dash of nutmeg to make eggnog.
-If you add a few tablespoons of strong coffee to the mix, it makes a very tasty mocha.

The Soup:
2 cups carrots, thinly sliced
1 cup quinoa
1 1/2 oz beef (about 2 walnuts worth)
3 cups diced tomatoes
1 1/2 cup peas
1/2 tsp ground flax
1 or 2 bullion cubes, and other seasonings to taste (I like parsley, thyme, and summer savory)

Brown the beef. Add carrots, bullion cubes, and enough water to cover, and simmer until the carrots can be pierced with a fork. Rinse the quinoa in a fine-meshed strainer, then add to the soup and simmer until soft and translucent. You might need to add more water to keep the quinoa from sticking. Add remaining ingredients (they don't take as long to cook as the carrots and quinoa.)

According to my calculations, this should provide all the nutrients necessary for one person for one day. Some of you might be noticing the problem already: After adding enough water to keep the quinoa from sticking, this makes about 3 quarts of soup. It is a very tasty soup, but even if I stuff myself I can't eat that much in a day! I'm still tinkering with recipes to see if I can shrink it down some without sacrificing nutrients, but, I'm starting to wonder if the “recommended daily requirements” might be exaggerated some.

I'm also tinkering to come up with more flavors. About halfway through the first day, I was really craving something different. I don't have a lot of time to experiment at the moment, but I might see if I could use part of the quinoa with the egg and milk to make something like rice pudding. I also want different flavors of soup, like split pea or chicken.

46 posted on 01/04/2014 5:11:37 PM PST by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: Ellendra

How cool is that! I think you are making progress and narrowing in on it!


47 posted on 01/04/2014 7:25:16 PM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Stand Watch Listen

Thats how I have been doing it as well. Dont get me wrong, we still have bleach, but we use it for a lot around the house so it gets rotated pretty quickly.. for water cleaning and sanitation we are now stocking the pool shock. Stuff works great. I rotated out 2 55 gallon barrels last weekend and treated it with this. Much easier to store than bleach.


48 posted on 01/04/2014 7:37:40 PM PST by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: eXe

You can also start a fire with it and any “organic” material, oil/soda/etc mixed with it.


49 posted on 01/05/2014 1:02:24 AM PST by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: mabarker1

marked


50 posted on 01/05/2014 5:38:34 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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