Skip to comments.Greg Maddux won’t be a unanimous Hall of Famer for an incredibly stupid reason
Posted on 01/07/2014 12:59:17 PM PST by EveningStar
No player has ever been elected unanimously to the Hall of Fame and four-time Cy Young winner Greg Maddux, the most obvious of the many deserving candidates on this years ballot, wont be the first. We now know that for sure thanks to MLB.coms commendable tradition of posting its writers ballots the day before the results are announced. There are 17 MLB.com writers who have been members of the Baseball Writers Association of America for 10 or more years and thus are eligible to vote for the Hall of Fame. Sixteen of them voted for Maddux. Dodgers beat reporter Ken Gurnick did not.
Why not? Gurnick wrote that he wont vote for any player who played during the period of PED use. Not one. So who was on his ballot? Just Jack Morris.
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He's an ass. So they're all guilty by association?
Ok, two can play at that game. Gurnick is a sports writer. Sports writers are part of the media. The media is nothing more than a bunch of liberal bedwetting socialists, worthy of nothing but scorn.
It appears that this Gurnick guy won’t be voting ever again.
PEDs destroyed any credibility of baseball stats. Therefore the HOF should have a huge asterisk next to it.
Barry Bonds 70 HRs in a season? You don’t need to look much farther than that to make the point.
OOps I meant to say Mark Maguire 70 HRS
Fine. That’s Barry Bonds. He doesn’t belong in the Hall of Fame.
But there is no evidence, and I have seen no claims by anyone, that Greg Maddux ever used PEDs.
Fine. Thats Mark McGuire. He doesnt belong in the Hall of Fame.
But there is no evidence, and I have seen no claims by anyone, that Greg Maddux ever used PEDs
Bonds hit 73 homers in a season. He also holds the career mark for most homers with 762.
8 writers didn’t vote for Cal Ripken when he came up (same reason).
The guy will never see it this way.
I am not making any accusation against Maddox, but plenty of pitchers in that era were heavily roided up themselves. Roger Clemens being the Barry Bonds equivalent on the pitching mound.
One look at Maddux’ body and you can tell he never used ‘roids.
Are you daft? You think Bonds is more legit. McGwire hit 33 HRs in the first half season, way before steroids.
...and most of the sports media are also whiny arse liberal socialists...
This idiot voter selected Jack Morris...who also pitched in the Steroid era...
Your analogy fails because Gurnick really IS a liberal bed wetting socialist.
Doubted Maddux used roids. Maddux was a great change up pitcher, not a fastballer. His pitches never got 90 mph. He was the best at working the edges of the plate
Fails? I think I hit the nail on the head! ;-)
So Maddux is sacrificed in order to make a point?
That’s worth one lifted eyebrow and a bemused facial expression.
Yes, I agree about Maddox. I was just pointing out a fact about the era - the hitters weren’t the only ones juicing. Many power pitchers were involved too.
What really destroyed MLB stats even before IL play was the DH rule.... Which I hate.
I wouldn’t say he’s sacrificed, he’s still going to the HOF, just not unanimously, which never happens anyway.
Maddox was kidded about looking like the Pillsbury doughboy during his career, so PEDs are highly doubtful. I remember a rare triple he hit, he was huffing and puffing coming around second base and his teammates in the dugout were dying laughing at him because he looked like he wasn’t going to make it to third.
baseball whats baseball I left watching or caring before 2003
Gurnick’s assertion is farther off the mark than your’s.
If Sandy Koufax wasn’t unanimous, then no pitcher should be.
Sports reporters tend to be frustrated jocks who have a chip on their shoulder.
Think of the guy at the bar who was never in the service talking like he has been to the ‘Nam. That is a sports writer.
I'm not accusing Maddux of using but many, many pitchers have (and still do). Steroids have a legitimate use as an anti-inflammatory. Pitchers who use steroids recover much more quickly from the stress of throwing hard in an unnatural motion.
Nothing against Greg Maddux but I don't want anybody voted into HOF unanimously. If the true legends of the game like Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb can't get voted in unanimously, then I don't want some lesser light to get that honor. I hate it when awards get cheapened. Maddux is a great but 80 years from now, he'll be remembered by only hardcore baseball fans while Babe Ruth will probably still be remembered by the typical person 160 years after his playing days.
Maddux is a great one but he's not the best pitcher of this generation, Mariano Rivera is. It is debatable if Maddux is even the best starting pitcher of this generation when Clemens and Johnson get tossed into the discussion. However, Greg Maddux is absolutely worthy of a first-ballot HOF induction without question. (BTW, first-ballot induction is another distinction which has been cheapened over the past few decades - used to be quite an honor - reserved for only the greatest of the greats.)
Fixed it :-)
Cal Ripken jr wasn’t unanimous for the same reason.
Let’s face it, Greg, like Cal, will be a first ballot selection, and a few years down the road it’s only idiots like us talking about the balloting.
You're missing some of the best baseball ever played. And I'm not talking about the overpaid Yankees, Dodgers, and such, but the scrappy teams built around teams of players who are young, strong, and love the game--exemplified by the Tampa Bay Rays, but also by the Jays, Orioles, Rangers, Pirates, and A's. When the rest of MLB catches on...
baseball whats baseball I left watching or caring before 2003
And yet, here you are in 2014 commenting on a baseball story. I won’t think less of you for still caring.
Not me, I'm just not that big of a baseball geek. I'm lucky enough to remember who Greg Maddux is only because he used to play for the Chicago Cubs. The Cubs were FOOLS to let him go to Atlanta where he had a great career.
Hat's off to Maddux on his upcoming induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame. Well deserved IMO.
If anything, the PED era makes Maddux’s accomplishments more impressive. It made it tougher to pitch against guys who were roided up.
I don’t think Maddux used PED’s and he deserves to be elected to the HOF. Regarding the unanimous part, I don’t believe any player has been elected unanimously, so I don’t think its that big of deal as long as Maddox is voted into HOF. Just my two cents worth.
PED’s and player’s greed has made the Hall of Fame irrelevant.
I guess I grew up loving baseball at the wrong time. I remember when players had to have an off season job to survive and played for the love of the game.
Jack Morris played into the mid-90’s...isn’t that part of the “steroid era”?
ok so Greg Maddux will still very deservedly be in the hall.
Perhaps he figures that even if the clean players weren't using roids, they at least knew about it....and by not saying anything, the use of roids perpetuated.
I do love DiMaggio
One thing I like about baseball is that their Hall of fame is more prestigious than the other Sports.
One more reason why the Baseball Hall of Fame should now include television and radio broadcasters who have broadcast baseball games for 15 years or more. Broadcasters—who have actually seen the players in the field of play—are better judges of who belongs in the Hall of Fame than a large fraction of the BBWAA, in my humble opinion!
I’m asking this question in all seriousness: When did they actually play for the love of the game? I’ve been following baseball since the 1960’s and they were all “greedy b-st-rds who didn’t play for the love of the game like in the old days” or at least that’s what people were saying back then.
I think the guy is being a jerk, but I don’t think the players can complain about it. They could have made a stink about body morphing PEDS back then, they chose not to do so. They sacrificed the guy that never got called up but might have if it wasn’t for someone else using PEDS in the bigs. In return, they got generally higher salaries as the abusers got big contracts and drove the average salary across the board up. If it really mattered about a supposed non-user all time great like Maddux not getting 100% then they should have done something different. They should have done something different if they didn’t want this logjam with a good chance of deserving players not making it at all as everyone starts splitting their votes between suspected/known user greats and non-top tier HFers.
It’s still the only Hall of Fame that matters pretty much, and no it is far from perfect.
That’s a great point, folks who actually watch games. Some of the statistical analysis guys should probably get votes as well.