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Sheriff rips apart 'Stand Your Ground' defence of ex-cop ....
The Daily Mail Online ^ | January 17, 2014 | WILL PAYNE IN LAKE O' LAKES, FLORIDA

Posted on 01/17/2014 6:15:54 AM PST by Uncle Chip

'Why didn't he just sit somewhere else?'

The Sheriff leading the investigation into the cinema shooting which happened after a row over texting has told MailOnline there is no chance of a Stand Your Ground defence, saying, ‘It was an empty movie theatre. If he was scared why didn’t he move seats?’.

Sheriff Chris Nocco has completely dismissed shooter Curtis Reeves’ claims that he gunned down Chad Oulson because he feared for his safety and said there is no way he can use Florida’s controversial self-defence law.

He is convinced the retired cop, 71, simply lost his temper after married father-of-one Oulson refused to stop texting and then threw a bag of popcorn at his killer’s face.

Reeves’ attorney Richard Escobar suggested on Wednesday that his client was not hit with popcorn and was actually attacked with another more dangerous object.

However Sheriff Nocco has completely dismissed that idea, saying nothing else was thrown and that Monday’s shooting is an open and shut case....

One of the key elements is that the theater was not packed so there was ample opportunity for anybody to move their seat if they wanted to....

Today Richard Escobar was quoted as saying something more than popcorn was thrown.

He told The Tampa Bay Times: ‘If it was popcorn, don't you think the detective would have written popcorn? It's an unknown object, dark in color. Those facts will come out.’

But Nocco hit back: ‘There is absolutely nothing to prove anything else was thrown.’....

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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The UFO defense thrown up and dismissed but will the search for a UFO continue --
1 posted on 01/17/2014 6:15:54 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Reeves, historically proven by other witnesses, had a bug in his behind about people texting.

When someone refused to bow to his will (as an ex-cop, his will is LAW) and dared to defy him, he shot the impudent upstart.


2 posted on 01/17/2014 6:18:42 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Uncle Chip
Reeves’ attorney Richard Escobar suggested on Wednesday that his client was not hit with popcorn and was actually attacked with another more dangerous object.

Raisinets?

3 posted on 01/17/2014 6:20:38 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: MrB

Yeah... it’s really tragic when retired cops discover they’re regular people like the rest of us peons, isn’t it?


4 posted on 01/17/2014 6:27:07 AM PST by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: Wolfie
Raisinets?

Possibly -- but the standard movie theatre UFO of choice is MILK DUDS --

But they usually keep them locked up and you need to present an ID to get any.

5 posted on 01/17/2014 6:32:02 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Good for this sheriff, its nice to see some integrity in law enforcement.


6 posted on 01/17/2014 6:32:05 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Life in max security general population would be sufficient.


7 posted on 01/17/2014 6:32:19 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: MrB
When someone refused to bow to his will (as an ex-cop, his will is LAW) and dared to defy him, he shot the impudent upstart.

Occupational hazard.

8 posted on 01/17/2014 6:32:38 AM PST by oldbrowser (Obamacare will be the equivalent of Mao's Great Leap Forward)
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To: MrB

His attorney is now grasping at straws with the UFO defense as he knows that the popcorn defense was going nowhere.

Even if there was a UFO it still wouldn’t help him as he appears to have been a serial theatre antagonist:

Sheriff Nocco said: ‘Other people are now saying this happened to them. We are currently trying to verify those statements, using credit card statements to make sure they were definitely at the movies when they said they were. If we can verify that then it gives us even more to go on.’


9 posted on 01/17/2014 6:33:02 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Took me a bit to figure out what was meant by the “UFO defense” - the attorney was claiming there was some other unidentified object that was thrown at Reeves...

no.

Reeves is just a hothead ex-cop that has an authority complex.

I ran into a guy like this on vacation once at a resort in Fla. Guy was a “security guard” who thought he had authority over everyone at the complex. I registered a complaint with the management. I hope others did, too.


10 posted on 01/17/2014 6:39:16 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Uncle Chip
I have actually experienced UFO testimony under oath. A lady sued our client, claiming that her car was struck by debris from our client's property. Questioning went something like this:

What was it that hit your windshield?
I don't know.
Was it large or small?
I don't know.
What color was it?
I don't know.
Well, what was it?
I don't know - just an object.
Where was this object when you first saw it?
Flying through the air.
OK, so your car was hit by an unidentified flying object?
(no response).

We got summary judgment on that one, more importantly because her testimony placed her car about 200 yards from my client's property at the time it was hit. But the UFO argument figured heavily in the brief.

11 posted on 01/17/2014 6:42:05 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: Wolfie

Far more sinister...

Milk duds..


12 posted on 01/17/2014 6:42:51 AM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: Wolfie
Raisinets?

when i was about 14-years old, my friend and i went to see Invasion of the Body Snatchers... we were two cute girls with our Farrah Fawcett hair and Dittos pants... well these girls sat behind us... four of them... and for some reason, toward the end of the movie, they started throwing chewed up JuJuBees in our hair... i turned around and we exchanged some words, but they would not stop... so i collected the JuJuBees, and right before the closing credits, i took the handful of JuJuBees and threw right in the leader's face... and then my friend and i booked it into another theater... we hid out in Norma Rae and saw the girls looking for us... right when they saw us, we ran for the exit door... just as we made it outside, my friend's father drove up and picked us up! so perfect! we got in the car and drove away... we never even mentioned it to her dad... aye, aye, aye...

13 posted on 01/17/2014 6:43:29 AM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Uncle Chip
Good on the sheriff for sticking to his guns.

This sheriff is so positive and vocal, that I'm convinced this defendant has a "history" with his department or other law enforcement in the area. Cops don't suddenly become 'loose cannons' - it's a character trait, and everybody knows who they are.

14 posted on 01/17/2014 6:43:58 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: Wolfie

A dark object the lawyer said, must have been something chocolate.

I hope this hateful crazy old f*rt has a long time in prison. Thanks to the ex cop the anti gun people are going to start marching again.

I pray that the young wife and child are able to come through this horrible event and find a decent life again.


15 posted on 01/17/2014 6:48:15 AM PST by Ditter
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To: AnAmericanMother

The Sheriff knows the value of the Stand Your Ground law, and knows it won’t be around much longer if perps like this are allowed to use it.


16 posted on 01/17/2014 6:49:04 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Uncle Chip

You can’t instigate a confrontation and then claim a stand your ground defense.


17 posted on 01/17/2014 6:49:07 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Wolfie
That's true as well.

I really believe the High Sheriffs are our last defense against tyranny.

18 posted on 01/17/2014 6:50:46 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: Uncle Chip
Possibly -- but the standard movie theatre UFO of choice is MILK DUDS -- But they usually keep them locked up and you need to present an ID to get any.

Thanks for the update, I was operating under the premise that the standard UFO of choice in theaters. Always thought it was JuJuFruit.
19 posted on 01/17/2014 6:53:05 AM PST by ratzoe (damn, I miss Barbara Olson)
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To: AnAmericanMother

The UFO defense won’t fly here either.

Among other things if it was a standard theatre UFO it would have stuck to its target — his face.

Milk Duds, JuJuBees, and Raisinettes do that.


20 posted on 01/17/2014 6:56:03 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Wolfie

Whoppers malted milk balls?


21 posted on 01/17/2014 6:59:20 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: Uncle Chip

If he was peeved by someone texting in a movie theater, imagine how peeved he’ll be in his prison pod, eating spam with a plastic spoon and listening to 19 year old red haired pimple face Johnny Meth-Head ramble on endlessly about how bad ass he used to be. (tee hee!)


22 posted on 01/17/2014 7:01:37 AM PST by LittleBillyInfidel (This tagline has been formatted to fit the screen. Some content has been edited.)
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To: Uncle Chip
I hate to be laughing when a man is dead . . . but the ludicrous nature of the defense just invites laughter.

If this is the best this guy can do for a defense, I hope the jury laughs out loud . . . and then convicts him of everything in sight.

It is a heart-warming feeling for a lawyer when his opponent is arguing and you see one of the jurors in the box fold her arms and snort. That happened to me once, and it was a happy day (the jury was out only 20 minutes and returned a verdict in our favor. It took them that long to elect a foreman and send out for coffee.)

I hope something similar happens here.

23 posted on 01/17/2014 7:03:01 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: ratzoe

JuJuBees tend to bounce off their target —

Milk Duds and even Junior Mints have far superior sticking power and fly better than Raisinettes.

But I don’t want to give anybody any ideas.


24 posted on 01/17/2014 7:03:43 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
The Sheriff should rip it apart. Stand your ground is about life and death situations. It's not an excuse to shoot people who piss you off and it's certainly not an excuse to escalate a situation because you've got a gun in your pocket. This idiot ex-cop went and confirmed every opponent's fears about SYG who warned us the law would be an excuse for hot-heads to go and do exactly what he went and did.

And this is why the SYG defense needs to be shot down and this guy needs to go to prison --where he can join that other idiot from Jacksonville who murdered that kid for playing his rap music too loud.

25 posted on 01/17/2014 7:07:01 AM PST by Drew68
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To: AnAmericanMother

I too hate to laugh too — but you either laugh or you cry at this.

Initially his defenders here and elsewhere were postulating the popcorn defense but abandoned that rather quickly.

With the UFO defense his attorney is somehow alleging that the victim had three hands — one for his cell phone, one for the bag of popcorn that he threw, and a third arm for that UFO that he threw.

Perhaps he is going to allege that the victim himself was an three-armed Alien — just before he files the insanity defense.


26 posted on 01/17/2014 7:13:52 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: MrB

I’m a major proponent of stand your ground, CCW, open carry etc but I can tell you I would never even think to shoot somebody for throwing popcorn on me if thats what happened. Thats just not cause for fear for your life. I don’t see a jury looking at it that way either.

If the guy threw popcorn on you and said I’m going to eff you up and came at you then maybe you have a defense.


27 posted on 01/17/2014 7:14:21 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Uncle Chip
I wonder if all the freeper defenders of this crazy ex cop will be out again today or are they embarrassed by their comments from yesterday.
28 posted on 01/17/2014 7:20:01 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter
I wonder if all the freeper defenders of this crazy ex cop will be out again today or are they embarrassed by their comments from yesterday.

One would hope. People like this defendant not only weaken the "Stand Your Ground" laws by trying to use them without justification, they also feed into the liberal viewpoint that people with CCW permits are all gun-crazy nutjobs. For the benefit of both the law and the ability to carry, this guy needs to face the consequences for his actions.

29 posted on 01/17/2014 7:28:15 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Ditter
I wonder if all the freeper defenders of this crazy ex cop will be out again today or are they embarrassed by their comments from yesterday.

One would hope. People like this defendant not only weaken the "Stand Your Ground" laws by trying to use them without justification, they also feed into the liberal viewpoint that people with CCW permits are all gun-crazy nutjobs. For the benefit of both the law and the ability to carry, this guy needs to face the consequences for his actions.

30 posted on 01/17/2014 7:28:19 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Uncle Chip
Former Tampa Bay police captain Reeves was in the Wesley Chapel theater with his wife Vivian watching ‘Lone Survivor’ when he asked Oulson to stop using his phone.

OK, now I get it. The officer got all worked up by the movie "Lone Survivor". Sick.

31 posted on 01/17/2014 7:29:29 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Uncle Chip
He retired in 1993 as captain. Tampa police told CNN that he was instrumental in establishing the department's first Tactical Response Team - also known as SWAT.

--

There we have it, an X Police officer who wanted to play Rambo, watching "Lone Survivor". Yes, we have a detachment from reality. And a great argument for not militarizing the Police Departments.

32 posted on 01/17/2014 7:39:29 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

The movie hadn’t started yet

The only thing on the screen was Previews of Coming Attractions.


33 posted on 01/17/2014 7:41:09 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I missed that.

The part about the SWAT team still stands.


34 posted on 01/17/2014 7:43:15 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Uncle Chip

If you have to shoot the guy thru the hand of his wife who is restraining him, you can’t really claim you were in imminent danger. It just kinda shoots your whole argument, pun intended. And popcorn is not a lethal and dangerous weapon.


35 posted on 01/17/2014 7:43:17 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: LittleBillyInfidel
imagine how peeved he’ll be in his prison pod, eating spam with a plastic spoon and listening to 19 year old red haired pimple face Johnny Meth-Head ramble on endlessly about how bad ass he used to be. (tee hee!)

With any luck, some of his new "friends" will recognize him as the guy who helped put them there.

People think child molesters have it hard in prison? Nobody has it harder than ex-cops.

36 posted on 01/17/2014 7:46:28 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Ditter

You can bet the farm that they are not embarrasses.


37 posted on 01/17/2014 7:46:30 AM PST by sport
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To: Drew68

It could not happen to a nicer guy.


38 posted on 01/17/2014 7:48:43 AM PST by sport
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To: Uncle Chip

If this guy has half a brain, he’ll plead out.


39 posted on 01/17/2014 7:51:15 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: Ditter

I think they might be busy trying to figure out how to get the Kelly Thomas jury to Florida and Andy Lopez’s killer on the list of expert witnesses.


40 posted on 01/17/2014 7:59:03 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Georgia Girl 2

It comes back to the fact that if you’re carrying,
you have a MORAL OBLIGATION to go out of your way
to avoid conflict.

This man sought it out, and it was due to his elitist

“AUTHORITAH”

mentality.


41 posted on 01/17/2014 8:00:10 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: sport

Well they should be embarrassed, this is another set back for the right to carry a gun for your own defense.


42 posted on 01/17/2014 8:18:07 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Free Vulcan

Makes you wonder what the ex-cop’s wife was doing during this time.

Why wasn’t she restraining her husband???


43 posted on 01/17/2014 8:19:05 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: AnAmericanMother
If this guy has half a brain, he’ll plead out.

No matter what he does, I think he's going away for a long time.

44 posted on 01/17/2014 8:22:29 AM PST by super7man
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To: Uncle Chip

Well there’s another question. Sounds like he was alone, and that he went to movies alone on a regular basis. WTH does that? Was he seeking this stuff out for thrills?


45 posted on 01/17/2014 8:22:35 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: Ditter
I understand that, but to them, worshiping authority is all that matters.

You can believe it or not, but that guy [Reeves] was going to kill someone over texting. It might have not been that day, it might not be next week or next month. The hatred, frustration, and contempt of those he considered inferior to him was eating him alive. The peasants that had the audacity and gall to refuse to bow down to his authority. That day, everything came together, and the results are there for all to see.

46 posted on 01/17/2014 8:27:41 AM PST by sport
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To: Free Vulcan

She was sitting next to him and could have moved over a few seats when he went to talk to management — but she didn’t.

She had to have known that he was carrying.

She could have put her hand over his as it reached into the pocket for the gun — but she didn’t.

She was probably enjoying the show and even egging him on.


47 posted on 01/17/2014 8:28:22 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
In my concealed hand gun class it was 8 hours of how to avoid conflicts and the very last thing you want to do is shoot someone.

If I remember correctly some states allow retired police officers to carry without taking the class.

48 posted on 01/17/2014 8:29:41 AM PST by hadaclueonce (Because Brawndo's got electrolytes. Because Ethanol has Big Corn Lobby)
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To: hadaclueonce

It seems that all cops — retired and not retired — need to take that class:

How NOT to Shoot Someone [or their Dog]


49 posted on 01/17/2014 8:33:37 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: sport
I absolutely believe what you say about Reeves but the freepers who defended him are wrong and I would hope that they eventually figure it out.

I have respect for the police because that is how I was raised but I do NOT worship it and I can clearly see when they are out of bounds.

50 posted on 01/17/2014 8:35:50 AM PST by Ditter
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