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Coming in 2014 to a Vet Near You: Tail Vaccinations
Catster ^ | Jan 14th 2014 | Dr. Eric Barchas

Posted on 01/22/2014 5:45:56 PM PST by Danette

Vaccine injections have been linked to aggressive sarcomas in cats, leading to horrible limb amputations. That could end soon.

(excerpt-interesting reading at source)

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Education; Health/Medicine; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: kittyping
I'm on the fence if I'm even going to do Mosi's one year booster for FVRCP. They do have it in an "intranasal" form instead of the shot. Do you vaccinate your cats?
1 posted on 01/22/2014 5:45:56 PM PST by Danette
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To: Danette

Here are two links that will get you thinking about vaccinating your cat.

http://www.catinfo.org/?link=vaccines

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Cats/fibrosarcoma/show/395079
(these posts are heartbreaking)


2 posted on 01/22/2014 5:58:20 PM PST by Danette
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To: Danette

We do with no problems yet. But thanks for the info.


3 posted on 01/22/2014 6:04:09 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Danette; Slings and Arrows

Kitty ping


4 posted on 01/22/2014 6:05:16 PM PST by Gefn (RIP Holly, April 1999-December 31, 2013 the best cat ever)
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To: Danette

My cat passed away 3 years ago at19 years old. Never taken to the vet, never had shots.

I would like to think that helped prolong her life.


5 posted on 01/22/2014 6:06:49 PM PST by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: Gefn; Slings and Arrows; Glenn; republicangel; Beaker; BADROTOFINGER; etabeta; asgardshill; ...
Always vaccinate your kitties. No joke.


6 posted on 01/22/2014 6:39:10 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Danette

I have a cat with fibrosarcoma. He has had 4 surgeries in 3 years. I just found the tumor has grown back, and we need to take him to the vet again.

I do not know how much longer we will have the little guy. He is almost 12 years old.

Vaccines for cats have been reformulated with a different adjuvant, since it seems the aluminum adjuvant was associated with a higher incidence of fibrosarcoma. It may be that the needle puncture itself—the tissue damage it causes—is a contributing factor.

I do have my cats vaccinated, and will continue to do so. The risk of the diseases that the vaccines protect against is higher than the risk of fibrosarcoma. Also, if you do not have your pet vaccinated against rabies and it bites someone, it will be killed for testing.


7 posted on 01/22/2014 6:40:07 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Danette

bkmk


8 posted on 01/22/2014 6:45:12 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Danette

Probably should do extended trials using the cat vaccines on Progressives before administering them to cats or humans.


9 posted on 01/22/2014 6:53:04 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (It's difficult to differentiate between a hog calling contest and a Senate rollcall.)
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To: exDemMom

There are a lot of vets out there saying that we over vaccinate our pets. The first link above is a good read (one of many) that gives good info on that subject. I believe a lot of vets push vaccines because it is their bread and butter. The new vet shot guidelines are out and they call for 3 year boosters for rabies and core shots. If your vet is still pushing annual they are going against their own association guidelines.

Sorry for you and your kitty.


10 posted on 01/22/2014 7:12:26 PM PST by Danette
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To: Gefn

So, does anyone know if the oral rabies vaccine is available on line, so I can treat the little raccoon family who has adopted me for night visits?


11 posted on 01/22/2014 7:14:19 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

There is a growing number that have stopped vaccinating completely. I’m surprised. Mosi had her kitten series shots and some studies are pointing to that being enough for a your cats life.

She also had her rabies even though she’s an inside only cat and there are no laws for the vaccine in my county or city. She’s not getting another one.

Some cats are even getting cancer from sub q’s and IV needles. It’s terrifying.


12 posted on 01/22/2014 7:26:35 PM PST by Danette
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To: MHGinTN

There is no oral rabies vaccine.
BUT you’ll find this interesting.....

DSHS to airdrop rabies vaccinations for wildlife

http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/courier/news/dshs-to-airdrop-rabies-vaccinations-for-wildlife/article_70eac373-87a3-5fde-8766-8131b553fac1.html?mode=jqm


13 posted on 01/22/2014 7:29:37 PM PST by Danette
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To: Danette

The FVRCP is a 3 year shot, they don’t get FELV because they are strictly indoor cats, and the rabies is an annual shot. I think the frequency of rabies vaccinations is required by law.

Cancer is bad, but so is seeing your kitty die of an infectious disease. I’ve had that happen, too.


14 posted on 01/22/2014 8:01:16 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

Yes, fvrcp is now a 3 year shot. The guidelines were changed in 2006 or 2010? There are vets that still push for annual...just read cat health forums. It amazes me how pet parents don’t educate themselves on basic core vaccines and just show up at their vet and let them do whatever they want.

If you could have a titer test done to prove that antibodies are still active for a particular shot would you still have the shot and risk sarcoma? I’m seeing this more and more on message boards. People are waking up to over vaccinating. The down side is that boarders and city laws aren’t accepting this proof that pets are still covered. It’s all fascinating to me since I still consider myself a newish cat parent. This is happening in the doggy world too.


15 posted on 01/22/2014 8:31:44 PM PST by Danette
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To: Danette

I do vaccinate my moggies, because when I was a kid, we lost a number of cats to distemper. It was an ugly death for them and devastating for our family. The cats we have now live much longer, typically into their teens. However, I don’t have them vaccinated every year because I don’t think it’s necessary. Usually once every three years.


16 posted on 01/22/2014 10:36:26 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: All

When I meet a new veterinarian I feel them out for their vaccination philosophy and tell them upfront that I want to get by with as little as possible.
The city of Everett demands rabies vax before licensing and my apt. Building demand licensing.


17 posted on 01/23/2014 12:06:06 AM PST by crazycatlady
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To: Danette
Do you vaccinate your cats?

I don't because my cat is strictly indoors......

18 posted on 01/23/2014 3:26:11 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: Danette

Having a titer done will not help if, as some suspect, it is the needle injury itself that causes the sarcoma. The actual vaccine is still perfectly safe—unless you have a cat who has had an autoimmunity disease. I had a cat who barely survived a devastating autoimmune disorder, and I never vaccinated her after that out of concern that it would trigger another autoimmune episode.

Between 1 in 1,000 to 1 in 10,000 cats develop fibrosarcoma as a result of needle punctures. Compared to the chance of getting some horrid infectious disease, that is still fairly low.

I have not checked animal vaccine development to see if nasal or other non-injected forms of the vaccines are being tested. It would be nice if they are; it certainly would make a lot of cat parents happy.


19 posted on 01/23/2014 3:59:41 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom
Having a titer done will not help if, as some suspect, it is the needle injury itself that causes the sarcoma

Having had a diabetic, with no other problems, I don't think I believe that a needle injury causes a sarcoma.

I injected my cat sometimes more than twice a day, using a sliding scale not unlike human diabetics use, to dose. He also got sub Q's for awhile. Never a problem.

On the other hand, I have never been big on vaccinations. My cats are all indoors only so all they ever got were the kitten vaccinations.

20 posted on 01/23/2014 5:20:34 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Molon Labe)
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To: MHGinTN

Wow! Got photos?


21 posted on 01/23/2014 8:21:50 AM PST by Silentgypsy (Flying polyps)
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To: Silentgypsy
Yes. I started taking pix when just the little mother was first visiting to get fed. She had five kits, which she brought around a few weeks later at their age ~10 weeks since birth. That began in the summer of 2013. The mother still comes around and she has a 'doorbell' I rigged for her to let me know when she's around so I can feed her directly. [I placed a metal chocolate can on a string and tied to the back door handle --I have handles not nobs-- and slipped over the inner handle so when she pulls the outside handle, the can falls clanking against the metal door.]

Two of her kits still come around, and one, Buster, is almost grown yet he still climbs into my lap to check what treats I've got for him. His sister, Bashful, will not climb into my lap, but she will hold my hand to receive treats when I hold it out to her.

I have photos on my computer and when time permits I will see if I can download a few to the cloud pix service I use.

22 posted on 01/23/2014 9:49:17 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Silentgypsy
Here are two from last summer. This is the mother, Bandit Girl. She was showing up to forage two or three hours BEORE dark last summer. She was starving from feeding five little ones, so she quickly decided to trust me and take the food offered. I became quite fond of her and she became very trusting of me, standing on her back legs to place her front paws on my leg when I would sit on the back deck and share oatmeal cookies with her. If I did not pay close attention to her, she would rise up on her back legs, place one paw on my leg and gently scratch on my leg with the other paw until I shared with her. She is smallish for a full grown rakkie.

Here

And here

23 posted on 01/23/2014 9:59:34 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Silentgypsy
Though one is not really clear (night pix are not my forte), the following two are 'informative':

This is Buster at about ten to twelve weeks, learning to 'dip' his food from a 12 x 12 metal pan into a nearby water filled pie pan:

And this one is of four of the five little rascals come to dinner on my back deck:

24 posted on 01/23/2014 10:22:29 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

Wow! Thank you so much for posting those darling photos! Are we blessed or what?


25 posted on 01/23/2014 3:10:46 PM PST by Silentgypsy (Flying polyps)
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To: MHGinTN

You are the raccoon whisperer!


26 posted on 01/23/2014 3:15:46 PM PST by Silentgypsy (Flying polyps)
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To: Silentgypsy

Well thank you for that kind thought. I do thank God for the joy they bring when they come around. But they are wild creatures. Their behaviors are interesting to observe. I just hope that I am not dooming them to be shot by some other not so kind human when they go pulling on the door nob, somewhere. Buster has learned the trick his mother uses. He uses it if he climbs onto the plant stand at the window to my office next tot he deck and I don’t respond with treats. Sometimes I hear the can clank late at night/after midnight, from my bedroom. Sometimes I hurry to the window to greet them and feed them. Sometimes I just let it go. I don’t want them becoming dependent only to be left without if/when my demise arrives.


27 posted on 01/23/2014 4:01:56 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: CAluvdubya
Having had a diabetic, with no other problems, I don't think I believe that a needle injury causes a sarcoma.

Fibrosarcoma is so rare that the chance of you seeing it in your cat even after frequent injections is quite low. Only 1 in 1,000 to 10,000 cats gets that form of cancer. Even to make the association between that kind of cancer and needle injury requires a huge sample size. Vaccines are implicated because, for most cats, those are the most frequent cause of needle injury. By injury, I do not mean anything dramatic--I mean the normal tiny puncture the needle makes.

On the other hand, I have never been big on vaccinations. My cats are all indoors only so all they ever got were the kitten vaccinations.

I really do not understand anti-vaccine sentiment. Infectious diseases can kill within days or hours; if such a disease can be prevented by a vaccine, I am all for it.

Even with your indoors-only cats, if one of them bites someone and you cannot provide proof of rabies vaccination, your cat will be killed for testing. That is mandatory by law in every state. The only time I have heard of that requirement being waived was when the bite victim absolutely refused to have the cat killed for testing--she opted to go through the rabies serum injections rather than kill the stray cat she had been feeding.

One of my indoor cats was tested for rabies. She had bitten me right before dying from FIP. She didn't have rabies.

28 posted on 01/23/2014 5:03:25 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

I think more people are against OVER vaccination than outright vaccination. Of course, the convo here is about cats and that may be a different situation, but we titer for our dogs. We follow the lead of head immunologist Dr. Ron Schultz. The recommendation is not “Don’t vaccinate” but “Don’t OVER vaccinate” - esp. when titers already show immunity. Much damage can be done to the immune system. Re: the rabies, I think your info. is not completely accurate there. Actually, if your animal bites someone, they will put the animal in quarantine. This happened with a feral that my parents were getting vaccinated. They clearly didn’t know how to handle him, despite their assurances to the contrary. Anyway, when the period was up, he was released (along with his records since my parents were furious, but that’s another story). Bottom line: if your animal is bitten by an animal that is suspected or known to be rabid — THEN your pet could be in danger of his/her life. It may differ in your state, but that’s how it is here re: the rabies issue. It’s really time the laws reflected science! Rabies is not that easy to get and even in wildlife, not every animal carries it or has it. Responsible and careful pet ownership will prevent much of those issues. It’s a shame so many pet owners over-vaccinate out of fear. We have studied the issue, read the research and refuse to do that. Knowledge is power.


29 posted on 01/23/2014 9:25:10 PM PST by JLLH
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To: MHGinTN
It's difficult to know the right thing to do. Crowbar the dog and I went for a walk a few weeks ago and we startled a doe and fawn. It's alarming that they didn't notice us and were right out in the open--we have forest on all sides, but they seem to forget to sneak around. Worrisome.

Thank you very much for posting your photos!

30 posted on 01/24/2014 9:32:57 AM PST by Silentgypsy (Flying polyps)
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