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ObamaCare: Could it Transform American
My Mind's Eye | 27 January 2014 | jumper

Posted on 01/27/2014 7:49:56 AM PST by Jumper

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To: Mr. K

yes. some people expect “the state” to provide inheritances for their heirs ...
it is like welfare cheats, but in one big lump sum..


21 posted on 01/27/2014 8:17:03 AM PST by faithhopecharity (C)
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To: cuban leaf

I don’t plan to be “around”...


22 posted on 01/27/2014 8:18:25 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Jumper
Under the best scenario with the GOP sweeping Congress in 2014 and gaining the White House in 2016 and succeeding in a total repeal of Obamacare, I fear our healthcare system will be damaged for decades if not permanently. While I believe it is likely the GOP will take back the Senate and hold the House this fall, the RINO leadership will be too timid to do anything more than give lip service to any serious repeal or dismantlement of Obamacare.

The doomed Obmacare juggernaut will like a wounded Godzilla continue to thrash about wrecking havoc in its death throes. This fall millions covered under employer sponsored health plans will be getting their cancellation notices if their employers have not already ended coverage. Private health insurance companies will face staggering losses and be begging for government bailouts and the cost of health insurance will skyrocket. The number of people without health insurance will dramatically increase and Medicaid roles will swell. Medicare will become almost worthless as more and more healthcare providers will no longer accept Medicare patients. Hospital emergency rooms will become the source of primary care for millions of people who cannot now not afford insurance coverage, but make too much to qualify for Medicaid.

There will be pressure for the government to do something to end the chaos and of course Obama will be waiting with a plan for single payer socialized medicine that the appeasers in the GOP leadership will be all too willing to accept.

23 posted on 01/27/2014 8:23:26 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: MrB

Being “post-trib, pre-wrath”, I do. Otherwise, I would have just stayed in Seattle.


24 posted on 01/27/2014 8:27:06 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Graewoulf; All

Only Democrats voted for Obamacare, and therefore all Democrats are to be opposed.

RINOs propose “fixes” to Obamacare, and therefore all RINOs are to be opposed.

Comments BUMP in a great thread BUMP!


25 posted on 01/27/2014 8:28:05 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Mr. K

Don’t sign up, and don’t pay the “fine/tax”...


I thought I was going to do that, but it turns out I’m in that “unmentionable” zone. I make too much to get subsidies, but I earn to little to be liable for the fine if I don’t have insurance. That actually applies to most of the “middle class” in flyover country.


26 posted on 01/27/2014 8:28:54 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

You’re sittin’ pretty, then - now, can you get an insurance company to sell you an “unapproved” policy?


27 posted on 01/27/2014 8:30:24 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

The only people who can survive in such a scenario are the super-rich who can afford the huge health care costs, and the perpetual dependent class, those who have nothing to lose to begin with.


There is a third group: Those that simply never incur huge health care costs. After all, it isn’t the norm. At least, it souldn’t be. The human body is not that shodily made. I’m 60 and have not cost any insurance company much money. If I ever get cancer I will simply die. Treatment would be stupid.

Then again, if I were not a Christian I may have a different attitude about extending my life at all costs.


28 posted on 01/27/2014 8:32:12 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: MrB

You’re sittin’ pretty, then - now, can you get an insurance company to sell you an “unapproved” policy?


Haven’t tried. We have no health insurance and don’t plan on getting any.


29 posted on 01/27/2014 8:34:03 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

We’re planning on going the Christian healthsharing ministry route if my employer plan doesn’t work out.


30 posted on 01/27/2014 8:35:03 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Jumper

I couldn’t agree more that that, or a version of it, is the plan.


31 posted on 01/27/2014 8:37:26 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Jumper

In politics as with physics, every action generates a reaction. For example, the redlight cameras. A study is performed saying that 3% of the 100,000 cars passing this light every day run it. We’ll make .03 x 100,000 x $100. But the moment the cameras are installed the run-rate drops to a fraction of the previous rate. The same is true for taxes, which never take in what their proponents say they should. People will adjust to the new confiscation. They may put their belongings in living trusts. Congress will make certain that trusts can’t be attached because that is where all the big political money is. The Kennedys will be rich for the foreseeable future not because any of them work, but because the family money is safe in trusts that can’t be touched. Poorer people may convert to cash or gift their wealth away before they die. Yes, government can and will adapt. But they’ll do it in the mode of the red lights, where when the revenue drops they shorten the yellow light interval and increase the fines for those who do run it. But they won’t get all of what they’re after, just a portion. Eventually, the law will change and we’ll be safe again. Politics ebbs and flows like the tide. We’re in a liberal flood tide right now. But there may come a conservative flood tide too. It’s almost inevitable that it will, eventually, come.


32 posted on 01/27/2014 8:45:00 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Carthego delenda est
Socialism has no room for love and charity.

I see your point, but I believe I disagree. Socialism—along with Communism, Progressivism, and generally all ideological positions from the Left—redefines the terms "Love and charity." It is not merely a matter of excluding love and charity, instead, by redefinition of the terms, it is able to accrue greater power.

With the firm belief that the individual is in no position to determine what is best for themselves or what is best for a fellow human being, individual acts of love and charity are redefined to mean signing over one's wealth and the fruits of one's labor to a technical apparatus that is purportedly in a better position to make those kinds of decisions. Thus the entire means of love and charity is mediated through the State. The bureaucracy distributes as it will because the State is smarter, more benevolent, and has more information than individual members.

Thus, compliance with the demands of the State becomes the new definition of love and charity. Welcome to Animal Farm.

33 posted on 01/27/2014 9:02:58 AM PST by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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To: Mr. K

My thoughts exactly.


34 posted on 01/27/2014 9:08:46 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: Gen.Blather
But there may come a conservative flood tide too. It’s almost inevitable that it will, eventually, come.

I just hope that some of us will be around to see it and enjoy its fruits.

35 posted on 01/27/2014 9:47:35 AM PST by Salvey
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To: Salvey

“I just hope that some of us will be around to see it and enjoy its fruits. “

It’s very odd. Having studied history and read about the terrible deprivations visited on the populace and the soldiers of any revolution, for they never go as envisioned by their proponents, I ask everyone I can if they think we’re heading into one. The “yes we are” group far outweighs the “no we aren’t group.” Of course the sample of people I talk to tend to be conservative. Very scary.

But their view is that the takers and their political masters are in such control now that only armed conflict will dissuade them from taking everything.

Personally, I expect balkanization. The west coast and the east coast will go full commie and the rest will go the other way to varying degrees. I hope we don’t end up using nukes on each other, but surely Lee and Grant would have if they’d had them.


36 posted on 01/27/2014 9:57:58 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: cuban leaf

what is this “unmentionable zone” of which you speak?


37 posted on 01/27/2014 1:27:36 PM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: PGalt

Thanks.

The lack of fire-in-the-belly in our Federal Politicians has resulted in the permissive tolerance of Constitutional violations by the NINE SUPREMES, the Administration, and Congress.

IOW, the US Federal Government is now a lawless parasite on the taxpaying workers.

To beat the loyalists to our dysfunctional US Federal Government, requires us to use their own rules against them.

For example, what if all of us voted by dutifully casting our ballots, but left blank all of the RINO and Democrat slots on the ballot?

We would be using their rules by voting, but by abstaining (=leaving blank) the uncounted abstain votes would outnumber the votes counted, and thus informing them that the “winners” were not representing the majority of those who voted.

Levin and others have great, grandiose ideas, but the low information voter has zero interest in them; the professional politicians denies that they exist; and the Leftstream Media ignores them.

Hence, we need to hit them between the eyes with a sledgehammer in the form of non-conventional voting by write ins or blank slots, depending on the local voting rules.


38 posted on 01/27/2014 1:27:48 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Mr. K

Those that, thanks to ZeroCare, can’t afford health insurance and, in spite of Zerocare, are not required to have it. So they no longer have health insurance.


39 posted on 01/27/2014 7:35:33 PM PST by cuban leaf
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To: newheart

“Thus the entire means of love and charity is mediated through the State.”

Actually, you expressed quite well that which I was trying to convey. The State is incapable of love or charity. For once such acts of love or kindness become ‘forced’, that which it is trying to emulate is lost. In its attempt to play God, the State becomes nothing more than a giant combine.


40 posted on 01/28/2014 6:07:16 AM PST by Carthego delenda est
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