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ObamaCare: Could it Transform American
My Mind's Eye | 27 January 2014 | jumper

Posted on 01/27/2014 7:49:56 AM PST by Jumper

Could it Swallow up all American's Wealth within one Generation; the Transformative Effects of the Administrative State and of Obamacare may result in the ultimate property distribution for MOST Americans if their medical care leaves them a ward of the State's Inheritance Laws....


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KEYWORDS: aca; civillaw; obamacare
Jim:

Has anyone thought of the long term consequences of Obamacare?

Could the genus of this it is that as a ward of the State, there is nothing to pass on to heirs if your costs exceed your life’s accumulation of wealth.

Could this be the ultimate Socialist State unveiled through the government taking the “little guys” property?

As the laws in most states require that estates be liquidated to recoup your medical costs or elderly care, will there be anything to pass on to others?

If I am correct in this being a long term consequence, then at some point the State, e.g., government will own everything except the corporations, as they currently have their own lives.

Maybe this is what Nancy Pepolsi and some Democrats sough to achieve which is the ultimate end-game to acquire all private property within a generation and transform American forever....

1 posted on 01/27/2014 7:49:56 AM PST by Jumper
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To: Jumper

Revelation 22:20
He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.


2 posted on 01/27/2014 7:53:40 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: All

No question, that’s the plan——b/c inter-generational transfers of wealth is a longtime progressive bugaboo.


3 posted on 01/27/2014 7:54:32 AM PST by Liz
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To: cuban leaf

Transform??? I believe the word you are looking for is DESTROY.


4 posted on 01/27/2014 7:55:01 AM PST by CMailBag
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To: Jumper; Georgia Girl 2; All

In 2010 the Congressional Gee Oh Pee RINOs were happy to welcome the energy of those who were TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY.

The opposite is true today.

The major change happened in 2012 and 2013 when RINO John “Benghazi Coverup” Boehner refused to appoint a Special Prosecutor for Commie Obama’s IRS harassment of TEA Party Organizations.

By this single arrogant protection of Obama, Speaker Boehner became enemy number two for members of the TEA Party.

Additionally, the RINOs want to replace Obamacare with Boehnercare, Ryancare or RINOcare, which proves that RINOs support the continuance of the taxation punishment of working Americans by the illegal Commie mechanism of Mandatory Insurance Taxation.

Lenin would be very proud of both Obama and Boehner.

Any support of Democrats or RINOs is support of Commie Obamacare or its neo-Commie derivatives.

History has shown that most voters have made up their minds by July Fourth, and thus a Convention held after that date is pointless.

The best way to drum the RINOs out of the Republican Party is a massive write in campaign.

If we want to change the Political Party Controlled Voting System, then WE MUST USE THEIR SYSTEM AGAINST THEM.

Only Democrats voted for Obamacare, and therefore all Democrats are to be opposed.

RINOs propose “fixes” to Obamacare, and therefore all RINOs are to be opposed.

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Suggested Checks and Balances on Doormat RINOS, Democrats and the Leftstream Media:

!.) Send no money to the DNC or the RNC.

2.) Hold a TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY National Party Convention on April 22, EVERY YEAR FROM NOW ON.

3.) Flood the RINOs taxpayer paid office staff with all manner of irate communication every Wednesday FROM NOW ON.

4.) Write in or leave RINO slots blank on election ballots.

5.) Remember that as of 1-1-2014 we are now a Neo-Communist nation, thanks to Obamacare and our own doormat Congressional Cave In RINOs, and hold rallies and marches to remind the low information voter of that fact.

6.) In 2014 we boot out the RINOs.

7.) In 2015 and 2016 we give the action-based “TEA Party Numerical Constitutional Rating” on every Republican or Independent Federal Politician.


5 posted on 01/27/2014 7:55:07 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: CMailBag

Yes, the transformation will lead to its destruction as we know it, just as the Russian Revolution did to Russia.


6 posted on 01/27/2014 7:56:33 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Jumper

Don’t sign up, and don’t pay the “fine/tax”...

They will never come after you, but it will accumulate (with interest) and they will take your estate to pay it off when you die

Transfer everything to your children NOW


7 posted on 01/27/2014 7:57:02 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Jumper

sorry, but we each should pay our own costs, as long as we can anyway, before asking others (directly, or through the government’s taxing powers) to pay our way for us.

you die either with or without an estate.
your heirs either inherit a lot or a little or nothing at all....

they have no right to inherit anything, and you certainly have a duty to maintain and try to recover your own health while you are alive (!!!!)

as a couple of potential heirs have said here (as their beneficiary’s assets erode due to medical and nursing home expenses)... “either there will be something left over for us, or there won’t — we did nothing to earn any money from him and we have no right to receive even one cent inheritance..”


8 posted on 01/27/2014 7:57:05 AM PST by faithhopecharity (C)
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To: Mr. K

make sure you die ‘owning’ NOTHING


9 posted on 01/27/2014 7:57:58 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Jumper

Yes.

Socialism has no room for love and charity.


10 posted on 01/27/2014 7:58:00 AM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: faithhopecharity

you are correct, and I agree for the most part- except that this hideous law is just goig to proclaim your stuff as theirs, eventually.

The most mad I ever made someone in my life was some lady at the hospital complaining how they had to sell her aunts house to pay for her nursing home... I said that she just wanted to sell the house and keep the money and let the taxpayers pay for her aunt... you would think I had hit her she was so mad.


11 posted on 01/27/2014 8:00:32 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: cuban leaf

“fundamental” change, by definition, requires destruction of the existing foundation (Judeo-Christian based Constitutionally limited government).


12 posted on 01/27/2014 8:03:22 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Jumper

The only people who can survive in such a scenario are the super-rich who can afford the huge health care costs, and the perpetual dependent class, those who have nothing to lose to begin with.

The middle class is increasingly squeezed and ultimately destroyed.


13 posted on 01/27/2014 8:05:16 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats: The perfect party for the helpless and stupid, and those who would rule over them.)
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To: Jumper
Could it Swallow up all American's Wealth within one Generation

Only if it goes according to plan. So far, so good...

14 posted on 01/27/2014 8:07:06 AM PST by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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To: MrB

“fundamental” change, by definition, requires destruction of the existing foundation (Judeo-Christian based Constitutionally limited government).


Yep. It’s gonna get ugly. And it’s not just the US.

But then, the Bible has been pretty clear for a long time about this sort of thing happening. It just sucks to be around when it happens.


15 posted on 01/27/2014 8:07:50 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Jumper

Well, I’m thinking we’ve probably added about 50 million people to the Medicaid rolls here by the time we are finished. That should add about 25 million more to the other entitlement rolls eventually. We will be at or near 1/2 of the population of this country on some sort of welfare. The other half, meanwhile thinking “why the hell bother anymore?”


16 posted on 01/27/2014 8:09:36 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Jumper
The bottom line to ANY question of this kind is answered;

If We Allow It.

I don't know if it's true, but I've heard there is no contract that can't be broken

If that's true, I would say there's no law that can't be rescinded. All it takes is the will to do it.

The "Just Say No" campaign is a winner IF everyone ... just said no.

17 posted on 01/27/2014 8:11:06 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Gaffer

My belief is that 2012 showed we’ve passed the tipping point.
Obama winning with $4 gas, 8% unemployment (12% actual), surging food prices, and trillion dollar deficits tells me the entitlement army is in command.


18 posted on 01/27/2014 8:12:06 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: nascarnation

I cannot argue with you there. We have to have already tipped. The only way it makes sense is that we have over half on welfare of some sort and the other half haven’t yet grabbed their guns.


19 posted on 01/27/2014 8:13:21 AM PST by Gaffer
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20 posted on 01/27/2014 8:15:58 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Mr. K

yes. some people expect “the state” to provide inheritances for their heirs ...
it is like welfare cheats, but in one big lump sum..


21 posted on 01/27/2014 8:17:03 AM PST by faithhopecharity (C)
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To: cuban leaf

I don’t plan to be “around”...


22 posted on 01/27/2014 8:18:25 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Jumper
Under the best scenario with the GOP sweeping Congress in 2014 and gaining the White House in 2016 and succeeding in a total repeal of Obamacare, I fear our healthcare system will be damaged for decades if not permanently. While I believe it is likely the GOP will take back the Senate and hold the House this fall, the RINO leadership will be too timid to do anything more than give lip service to any serious repeal or dismantlement of Obamacare.

The doomed Obmacare juggernaut will like a wounded Godzilla continue to thrash about wrecking havoc in its death throes. This fall millions covered under employer sponsored health plans will be getting their cancellation notices if their employers have not already ended coverage. Private health insurance companies will face staggering losses and be begging for government bailouts and the cost of health insurance will skyrocket. The number of people without health insurance will dramatically increase and Medicaid roles will swell. Medicare will become almost worthless as more and more healthcare providers will no longer accept Medicare patients. Hospital emergency rooms will become the source of primary care for millions of people who cannot now not afford insurance coverage, but make too much to qualify for Medicaid.

There will be pressure for the government to do something to end the chaos and of course Obama will be waiting with a plan for single payer socialized medicine that the appeasers in the GOP leadership will be all too willing to accept.

23 posted on 01/27/2014 8:23:26 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: MrB

Being “post-trib, pre-wrath”, I do. Otherwise, I would have just stayed in Seattle.


24 posted on 01/27/2014 8:27:06 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Graewoulf; All

Only Democrats voted for Obamacare, and therefore all Democrats are to be opposed.

RINOs propose “fixes” to Obamacare, and therefore all RINOs are to be opposed.

Comments BUMP in a great thread BUMP!


25 posted on 01/27/2014 8:28:05 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Mr. K

Don’t sign up, and don’t pay the “fine/tax”...


I thought I was going to do that, but it turns out I’m in that “unmentionable” zone. I make too much to get subsidies, but I earn to little to be liable for the fine if I don’t have insurance. That actually applies to most of the “middle class” in flyover country.


26 posted on 01/27/2014 8:28:54 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

You’re sittin’ pretty, then - now, can you get an insurance company to sell you an “unapproved” policy?


27 posted on 01/27/2014 8:30:24 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

The only people who can survive in such a scenario are the super-rich who can afford the huge health care costs, and the perpetual dependent class, those who have nothing to lose to begin with.


There is a third group: Those that simply never incur huge health care costs. After all, it isn’t the norm. At least, it souldn’t be. The human body is not that shodily made. I’m 60 and have not cost any insurance company much money. If I ever get cancer I will simply die. Treatment would be stupid.

Then again, if I were not a Christian I may have a different attitude about extending my life at all costs.


28 posted on 01/27/2014 8:32:12 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: MrB

You’re sittin’ pretty, then - now, can you get an insurance company to sell you an “unapproved” policy?


Haven’t tried. We have no health insurance and don’t plan on getting any.


29 posted on 01/27/2014 8:34:03 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

We’re planning on going the Christian healthsharing ministry route if my employer plan doesn’t work out.


30 posted on 01/27/2014 8:35:03 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Jumper

I couldn’t agree more that that, or a version of it, is the plan.


31 posted on 01/27/2014 8:37:26 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Jumper

In politics as with physics, every action generates a reaction. For example, the redlight cameras. A study is performed saying that 3% of the 100,000 cars passing this light every day run it. We’ll make .03 x 100,000 x $100. But the moment the cameras are installed the run-rate drops to a fraction of the previous rate. The same is true for taxes, which never take in what their proponents say they should. People will adjust to the new confiscation. They may put their belongings in living trusts. Congress will make certain that trusts can’t be attached because that is where all the big political money is. The Kennedys will be rich for the foreseeable future not because any of them work, but because the family money is safe in trusts that can’t be touched. Poorer people may convert to cash or gift their wealth away before they die. Yes, government can and will adapt. But they’ll do it in the mode of the red lights, where when the revenue drops they shorten the yellow light interval and increase the fines for those who do run it. But they won’t get all of what they’re after, just a portion. Eventually, the law will change and we’ll be safe again. Politics ebbs and flows like the tide. We’re in a liberal flood tide right now. But there may come a conservative flood tide too. It’s almost inevitable that it will, eventually, come.


32 posted on 01/27/2014 8:45:00 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Carthego delenda est
Socialism has no room for love and charity.

I see your point, but I believe I disagree. Socialism—along with Communism, Progressivism, and generally all ideological positions from the Left—redefines the terms "Love and charity." It is not merely a matter of excluding love and charity, instead, by redefinition of the terms, it is able to accrue greater power.

With the firm belief that the individual is in no position to determine what is best for themselves or what is best for a fellow human being, individual acts of love and charity are redefined to mean signing over one's wealth and the fruits of one's labor to a technical apparatus that is purportedly in a better position to make those kinds of decisions. Thus the entire means of love and charity is mediated through the State. The bureaucracy distributes as it will because the State is smarter, more benevolent, and has more information than individual members.

Thus, compliance with the demands of the State becomes the new definition of love and charity. Welcome to Animal Farm.

33 posted on 01/27/2014 9:02:58 AM PST by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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To: Mr. K

My thoughts exactly.


34 posted on 01/27/2014 9:08:46 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: Gen.Blather
But there may come a conservative flood tide too. It’s almost inevitable that it will, eventually, come.

I just hope that some of us will be around to see it and enjoy its fruits.

35 posted on 01/27/2014 9:47:35 AM PST by Salvey
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To: Salvey

“I just hope that some of us will be around to see it and enjoy its fruits. “

It’s very odd. Having studied history and read about the terrible deprivations visited on the populace and the soldiers of any revolution, for they never go as envisioned by their proponents, I ask everyone I can if they think we’re heading into one. The “yes we are” group far outweighs the “no we aren’t group.” Of course the sample of people I talk to tend to be conservative. Very scary.

But their view is that the takers and their political masters are in such control now that only armed conflict will dissuade them from taking everything.

Personally, I expect balkanization. The west coast and the east coast will go full commie and the rest will go the other way to varying degrees. I hope we don’t end up using nukes on each other, but surely Lee and Grant would have if they’d had them.


36 posted on 01/27/2014 9:57:58 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: cuban leaf

what is this “unmentionable zone” of which you speak?


37 posted on 01/27/2014 1:27:36 PM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: PGalt

Thanks.

The lack of fire-in-the-belly in our Federal Politicians has resulted in the permissive tolerance of Constitutional violations by the NINE SUPREMES, the Administration, and Congress.

IOW, the US Federal Government is now a lawless parasite on the taxpaying workers.

To beat the loyalists to our dysfunctional US Federal Government, requires us to use their own rules against them.

For example, what if all of us voted by dutifully casting our ballots, but left blank all of the RINO and Democrat slots on the ballot?

We would be using their rules by voting, but by abstaining (=leaving blank) the uncounted abstain votes would outnumber the votes counted, and thus informing them that the “winners” were not representing the majority of those who voted.

Levin and others have great, grandiose ideas, but the low information voter has zero interest in them; the professional politicians denies that they exist; and the Leftstream Media ignores them.

Hence, we need to hit them between the eyes with a sledgehammer in the form of non-conventional voting by write ins or blank slots, depending on the local voting rules.


38 posted on 01/27/2014 1:27:48 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Mr. K

Those that, thanks to ZeroCare, can’t afford health insurance and, in spite of Zerocare, are not required to have it. So they no longer have health insurance.


39 posted on 01/27/2014 7:35:33 PM PST by cuban leaf
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To: newheart

“Thus the entire means of love and charity is mediated through the State.”

Actually, you expressed quite well that which I was trying to convey. The State is incapable of love or charity. For once such acts of love or kindness become ‘forced’, that which it is trying to emulate is lost. In its attempt to play God, the State becomes nothing more than a giant combine.


40 posted on 01/28/2014 6:07:16 AM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: PGalt

IMHO, the STATE OF THE OBAMANATION IRON CURTAIN SPEECH tonight will include the following:

* An increase in Federal Wage Control regulation of increased redistribution of taxpayer wealth to the least skilled workers under Obamanation minimum wage control.

* Approval of the XL Pipeline if the evil Republicans will approve of, for an unspecified time, unlimited redistribution of taxpayer wealth as authorized by US President Valerie Jarrett.

* An increase in the total number of illegal alien invaders from Mexico that will receive an increased redistribution of taxpayer wealth and full voting rights.

* An increase in the redistribution of taxpayer wealth given away to the least qualified high school student loan candidates.

* An increase in the redistribution of taxpayer wealth to fund Republican-caused cost overruns to the following essential Obamanation Iron Curtain Programs:
****Obamacare re-education camp style advertising to the Obama-Youth;
****IRS Harassment of the evil Republican enemies of Obamanation;
****NSA spy on your neighbor;
****Benghazi Cover Up hush money to victim witnesses;
****purchase of teleprompters for all Democrat 2014 Federal Candidates;
****purchase of hollow point small arms ammunition for non-military Federal Bureaus;
****and increased manufacturing of Obamanation Barrycades.

* An increase in the redistribution of taxpayer wealth to pay for the cost of the Air Force One trips required after completion of this State of the Obamanation Iron Curtain Speech.

BTW, don’t be an evil Republican and oppose the inevitable Obamanation Iron Curtain, MOVE FORWARD!

It has allowed RINO Boehner to keep his job as Obamacrat Speaker of the House, and it can also keep the food stamps flowing to more and more of the lost Middle Class.

Do not try to build the American Dream for yourself, embrace the Obamanation Iron Curtain, MOVE FORWARD!


41 posted on 01/28/2014 6:59:18 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Carthego delenda est
The State is incapable of love or charity. For once such acts of love or kindness become ‘forced’, that which it is trying to emulate is lost.

Then we are in complete agreement. :-)

42 posted on 01/28/2014 10:36:13 AM PST by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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To: Gen.Blather

Excellent point, well taken. I no longer trust the living;) but will the living trust! Time for me to lawyer up.


43 posted on 01/28/2014 2:45:12 PM PST by Jumper
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To: Graewoulf

Interesting analysis, Graewoulf. Thanks.

Add this possible gem to the TOTALITARIAN mix…

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-28/obama-unveil-treasury-ira-plans-or-planning-post-monetization-world


44 posted on 01/28/2014 3:26:59 PM PST by PGalt
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