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5,200 AMERICANS, MANY MORE FILIPINOS DIE OF STARVATION, TORTURE AFTER BATAAN (1/28/44)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 1/28/44 | Lewis Wood, Milton Bracker, Reynolds Packard, C.L. Sulzberger, W.H. Lawrence, more

Posted on 01/28/2014 4:07:04 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: milhist; realtime; worldwarii
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To: Tax-chick; Portcall24; Homer_J_Simpson

There’s a very good account of the Bataan Death March in John Toland’s “The Rising Sun.” Even though Toland sought to write the book from the Japanese point of view (Toland’s wife was Japanese), he didn’t gloss over the horrors of the Death March. His account made my blood boil, so much so that when he got to the equally graphic account of the firebombing of Tokyo in March 1945, my only thought was “Good.”

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.


21 posted on 01/28/2014 10:05:36 AM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Portcall24; Tax-chick
I read the book too and highly recommend it. The book is about the raid on the Cabanatuan prison camp and it was truly amazing those troops pulled it off. There was a less successful movie made about it called The Great Raid.

Also, mention was made here not long ago about the book Unbroken, which is the story of Louie Zamporini, who went from Olympic athelete to American airmen, to Japanese prisoner. Even in his superb physical condition, he barely made it to the end of the War. Written by Laura Hillenbrand and also highly recommended.

22 posted on 01/28/2014 1:00:03 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

I got “Unbroken” on CD, too. The waiting list for the paper book was too long! I understand Angelina Jolie is making a movie of it, *sigh*.

Awful stuff, one can certainly see why people of that generation felt as the they did about the Japanese.


23 posted on 01/28/2014 1:01:51 PM PST by Tax-chick (You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.)
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To: henkster; Homer_J_Simpson
The combination of less sophisticated sight technology, night bombing and cloudy winter weather has basically made the British bombing of German cities indiscriminate. The attitude of the British public seems to be the same. Good.

Lots of people in the Pacific theater would agree given the brutal occupations by the Japanese, the Rape of Nanking, Burma railway, etc.

24 posted on 01/28/2014 1:13:02 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Tax-chick

OMG, you are right that Jolie is directing Unbroken. The Coen Brothers are on the project, so maybe she’s getting some help. But, as Princess Leia said, “I have a bad feeling about this.”


25 posted on 01/28/2014 1:22:05 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Angelina Jolie seems to be something of a patriot. Maybe it won’t be a disaster. On the other hand, the Coen brothers ...

They made some good war movies in the 1940s. Why can’t they now?


26 posted on 01/28/2014 1:24:45 PM PST by Tax-chick (You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.)
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To: Tax-chick
They are capable of making good war movies as evidenced by Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers. So, why don't they make very many?

For one thing, they don't know much about the military anymore. Only 7% of the population today are veterans and I bet that's much, much lower in Hollywood.

Plus, the liberal takeover of Hollywood has led to a mindset that every war fought since WWII was wrong. Almost everything filmed about Vietnam and Iraq has been an anti-war movie. Some exceptions, but not many. The Hurt Locker comes to mind. It had a lot of Hollywood inaccuracies, but so did most of the WWII films.

27 posted on 01/28/2014 1:40:12 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

There is a really good article from a back issue of Military History Quarterly entitled “From Light to Heavy Duty,” that postulates that all wars go through a progressive cycle of increasing brutality. The American Civil War that began with a “gentlemans’ skirmish” at Bull Run wound up with corn cribs and smokehouses as military targets in a scorched earth campaign. World War II went through the same cycle in the doctrine of strategic bombing. There is also a very good discussion of this in the second chapter of Richard Frank’s “Downfall; The End of the Imperial Japanese Empire.”

Although Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack, it was strictly an attack on a military installation. The Japanese naval aviators were expressly told to NOT attack civilian targets. The Bataan Death March brutalities were inflicted on military POWs, not civilians. But before the end of the Pacific War, 100,000 Filipino civilians died in the fanatical defense of Manila, and hundreds of thousands Japanese civilians were incinerated in LeMay’s strategic bombing.

Both the article and the book make a point about war that should never be forgotten. Picking up a war is like picking up a turd; there is no clean end.


28 posted on 01/28/2014 2:03:15 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Tax-chick

It was a truly horrific event. Worse still, these men were already half starved when they surrendered thanks to some poor planning when they evacuated to the peninsula in the first place.


29 posted on 01/28/2014 2:21:44 PM PST by CougarGA7 ("War is an outcome based activity" - Dr. Robert Citino)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

My Grandpa Marvin survived The Bataan death march. He never spoke of it, not once.


30 posted on 01/28/2014 2:45:48 PM PST by Manic_Episode (F the Whigs)
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To: henkster
Picking up a war is like picking up a turd; there is no clean end.

I completely agree. Unfortunately, we have many in the West, including many in our own DOD and armed forces, who think you can fight a completely clean war. Some good American soldiers are in prison today because of that thinking. And our enemies take full advantage of that mindset.

31 posted on 01/28/2014 2:56:37 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; henkster
Did anyone catch the item about Bedell Smith asking the French to create a whites only division? In fact, the French were told if they wanted to lead the parade into Paris, they had better produce one. Despite the fact that at the time 65% of the Free French Army was from French West or Equatorial Africa, they produced a white division.

It is somewhat surprising the French knuckled under given that the French welcomed African-American troops to fight under their command in WWI, even though the U.S. Army would not allow them in combat.

It is also a little surprising that the British, with large numbers of Indians under arms, didn't object.

32 posted on 01/28/2014 4:59:00 PM PST by colorado tanker
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