Posted on 02/04/2014 6:02:49 AM PST by Uncle Chip
A man with a gun. A black teen, shot dead.
Was it murder or self-defense?
Jury selection is scheduled to begin Monday in Florida in the trial of 47-year-old Michael Dunn, a Satellite Beach software developer charged with first-degree murder and attempted murder in the November 2012 shooting of 17-year-old Jordan Davis outside a Jacksonville convenience store.
Authorities say an argument over loud music led to the shooting. Davis was parked in a vehicle with three friends outside the store. Dunn and his fiance had just left a wedding reception and were heading back home when they stopped at the store and pulled up next to the sport utility vehicle that Davis was sitting in.
An argument began after Dunn told them to turn the music down, police said. One of Davis' friends turned the music down, but Davis then told him to turn it back up.
According to authorities, Dunn became enraged and he and Davis began arguing. One person walking out of the convenience store said he heard Dunn say, "You are not going to talk to me like that."
Dunn, who had a concealed weapons permit, pulled a 9 mm handgun from the glove compartment, according to an affidavit, and fired multiple shots into the SUV, striking Davis in the back and groin.
Dunn later told police he felt threatened. His attorney has said Dunn saw a gun and shot in self-defense, perhaps laying the ground work for a case under Florida's "stand your ground" law.
If the case sounds familiar, that's because it has echoes of a trial that received wide attention and happened only two hours away.....
(Excerpt) Read more at baynews9.com ...
“Van Halen was better with Sammy Hagar singing!”
This case is NOTHING like the Zimmerman case.
The Left NEVER gives up their lies.
Yep
Take race out of it and it’s the Curtis Reeves theatre shooting.
RUN AWAY...RUN AWAY!
They never mention race unless the victim is black.
The only similarity is the same prosecutor. Other than that, there are none. From the reports in the press plus this guys action after the shooting, he left the scene, he seems guilty. He was not being pummelled, he was not looking out for his neighbors, he simply went over the edge. He gives concealed owners a bad name. The press will make much of the verdict in this case, mark my words. BTW, he did not have the firearm on his person, rather he retrieved it from his truck. Under the florida statues he did not have to have a CC permit to have the firearm in his glove compartment as long as it was out of reach of the driver. So, the CCW issue is moot.
It certainly doesn’t seem like from the reporting thus far it was a life or death situation. I think sometimes the presence of a weapon in vicinity of a driver gives them reason to act in a manner in which they would ordinarily not act were it for the gun.
Sounds more like the guy was a time-bomb looking for a place to go off.
This guy is going down, big time.
One thing I have learned here in the Jax area from following the local news: every phone call and letter Dunn sent to his family from prison has been splashed all over the media. Text and audio. If you are in jail, anything you transmit to the outside WILL be used to hurt your case, if the media wants to do so.
Stacking on more misery for his family, he was in town to attend his daughter’s wedding that weekend. Talk about a party pooper.
“I think sometimes the presence of a weapon in vicinity of a driver gives them reason to act in a manner in which they would ordinarily not act were it for the gun.”
Well, if you mean they may get to act as an EMT prop I agree with you.
Let me put it this way from a personal experience. I was in a disabled vehicle with my family when some nutcase came up to the car and began banging on my driver’s side window with a force that could easily have broken it. For some reason he wanted to get at me. I was not a physical match for him nor in a position to do anything being constrained in the car. I pulled out my near by pistol, pointed at him and he stopped. Since he left, I did not shoot him but would have had he broken that window. Had I not had the pistol, more than likely I would have been riding on a gurney. This was in non gun state California, I did not have a permit, and had I shot the SOB probably would have gone to the pokey. However, I would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6 and IMO the pistol saved me and my family from a disaster. So I don’t cede your point about the availability of a firearm.
I certainly wasn’t talking about the kind of situation you describe. I think there are cases that the presence of a weapon causes bravado and daring that is unnecessary; if the reporting is accurate, the driver could have just gone about his business and then left.
from all that i have read, i agree... like that retired cop in the movie theatre...
You mean like actually being able to protect themselves rather than being at the mercy of the mugger/rapist/murderer/burgler/etc. that otherwise would get away with his/her crime?
Guns are used much more often for self protection than they are to commit crimes. If convicted, this gent will be one of the 0.001% of concealed carry holders convicted of a committing a crime with his gun.
No person should be allowed to carry a gun without a specific reason; i.e. carrying jewels, carrying money to the bank. Note I am NOT saying we cannot OWN or POSSESS firearms I am just saying no carrying absent good reason.
Remember morons the very people who in the nineteenth century lived in an "open carry" environment were the very people who passed the laws regulating the carrying of firearms. Open carry will take us back to Dodge City 1876.
What part of the story here thus far reported and available to us clearly indicates the victim is in the ‘mugger/rapist/murderer/burgler/etc.’ category?
I am all in favor of being able to protect oneself with deadly force when the situation warrants. If the reports thus far are to be believed, loud music isn’t life threatening. Sorry, don’t buy it. I’m 2A, but I am not stupid, no matter what you think.
I agree, this guy could have gotten in his car and driven away at any time. Instead he chose to argue with a punk about his loud music.
No person should be allowed to carry a gun without a specific reason; i.e. carrying jewels, carrying money to the bank. Note I am NOT saying we cannot OWN or POSSESS firearms I am just saying no carrying absent good reason.
Remember morons the very people who in the nineteenth century lived in an "open carry" environment were the very people who passed the laws regulating the carrying of firearms. Open carry will take us back to Dodge City 1876.
I don't agree with anything you wrote. If a peerson cannot carry a gun in his vehicle, then he is not safe when confronted with violent force. Maybe a tragedy like the Knoxville Horror could have been prevented if the young victims had been armed.
I read an account where he was 150+ miles at home and was attending a wedding with his GF, he stopped to get a bottle of win going from the wedding back to the Hotel. I bet he was drunk.
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