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Nine Ways To Be More Self-Sufficient (Even If You Live In The City), by K. Sowell
Just a Marine ^ | 2/4/14 | K. Sowell

Posted on 02/04/2014 6:49:25 PM PST by Kartographer

1. Invest in a water filter. 2. Build an emergency medical kit. 3. Keep a few hens. 4. Grow some vegetables and/or fruits. 5. Learn to can. 6. Get a stand-alone freezer. 7. Learn to bake bread. 8. Purchase at least one firearm and get comfortable using it. 9. Homeschool your children.

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I will add one get closer to God. The comfort of your belief will do much to get you through trying times.
1 posted on 02/04/2014 6:49:26 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 02/04/2014 6:50:38 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Raise chickens in a city?


3 posted on 02/04/2014 6:51:47 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Kartographer

10. Make some good friends.

11. Learn a skill not related to your day job


4 posted on 02/04/2014 6:53:55 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

Many can. It’s not against the law here in Albuquerque for instance. If fact they have been having trouble with chicken thieves and vandels here


5 posted on 02/04/2014 6:54:54 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: 2banana
Raise chickens in a city?

my boss lives in town (idaho falls 60,000) his hens are laying about 11 eggs per day he brings us eggs ever FREAKING day

on the other hand the town i live in (about 3000) has BANNED chickens

6 posted on 02/04/2014 6:55:47 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: 2banana

Chickens are popular now, many cities will allow a few...there is a website called “backyard chickens” that tries to keep up with laws and ordinances about chickens...


7 posted on 02/04/2014 6:59:25 PM PST by Tammy8
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To: Kartographer

I do both hot water bath canning and pressure canning for meats and soup broth.

Canning is becoming a lost art. Not only is it hard to find someone who does it, it’s becoming hard to find someone who is even INTERESTED in doing it.


8 posted on 02/04/2014 7:00:40 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Kartographer

Along the lines of “learn to can” I’d suggest getting a vacuum sealing unit to be able to store foods for longer periods.


9 posted on 02/04/2014 7:03:06 PM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( 0bama's words are the distraction to the destruction ))))
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To: 2banana

10. Make some good friends.

11. Learn a skill not related to your day job

I dunno about 10....they always want something.

11. Yea, I’m an Artilleryman, I understand the grunt stuff, I just need to practice it more.


10 posted on 02/04/2014 7:04:03 PM PST by occamrzr06 (Squirel, it's what's for dinner.)
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To: 2banana

The local Sam’s Club in my suburban SoCal city actually sells chicken coops.


11 posted on 02/04/2014 7:05:07 PM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( 0bama's words are the distraction to the destruction ))))
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To: occamrzr06
I dunno about 10....they always want something.

You need friends who are good medics, good at fixing things, good at making comms, good shooters, etc.

12 posted on 02/04/2014 7:07:20 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Kartographer

Yeah, got no kids but could use a couple hens, goats and wabbits .....


13 posted on 02/04/2014 7:11:45 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: 2banana

Same question here, as most farm animals are banned inside city limits. As for gardening and canning, yes if you can keep it on the QT...remember the not so safe, 2010 Food Safety Act.


14 posted on 02/04/2014 7:13:15 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: metmom

Spent a lot of my youth helping my mother prepare and can food. She was a prepper in a time when it wasn’t needed.


15 posted on 02/04/2014 7:14:35 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Two Kids' Dad

Now to find out who sells the chickens. We have a Tractor Supply that had some chicks a couple of years ago for sale....but haven’t been there lately.


16 posted on 02/04/2014 7:16:45 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Tammy8

Rabbits can be a good alternative to chickens.


17 posted on 02/04/2014 7:18:00 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: bigheadfred

Consider rabbits.


18 posted on 02/04/2014 7:18:33 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Kackikat
She was a prepper in a time when it wasn’t needed.

You might want to think about that a little.

19 posted on 02/04/2014 7:22:54 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Kackikat

We did it more out of necessity. Lots of mouths to feed and you could save a lot of money buying bulk and canning.


20 posted on 02/04/2014 7:27:36 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: taxcontrol

oooh i love bunnies so soft warm and cuddly wait a minute that seems like you are telling me to become a pacifist by chickening out and i would rather raise HE!! before i give them the bird


21 posted on 02/04/2014 7:31:07 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: ansel12

She was ready for anything, and believed in keeping a 3 yr food supply.


22 posted on 02/04/2014 7:34:17 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: taxcontrol

I had some rabbits when I was young, and then they wanted me to eat them, Oh MY.


23 posted on 02/04/2014 7:40:09 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: metmom
Canning is becoming a lost art. Not only is it hard to find someone who does it, it’s becoming hard to find someone who is even INTERESTED in doing it.

Learned to can at my mom's side growing up.
She didn't have any daughters so she pressed us boys into service.
Picking veggies, shucking corn, shelling peas, prepping tomatoes, fruits, etc.

We learned to can and cook just about everything.

She gave us many things but teaching us to can, cook and do things for ourselves turned out to be some of the most important and the things I treasure the most.

Picking and canning was hard work in the summer when we would rather be running through the woods, but in the fall it was a satisfying to look at all those beautiful different colored jars lined up in the cellar pantry knowing we would have good food all winter long.

Although our heaviest canning days are behind us I still can some every summer and keep supplies on hand in case of hard times. I still have some of mom's wire bail jars - they must be 50 to 60 years old but are in good condition. We don't use them but have jar rubbers in case we ever need them.

I was finally able to buy an All American Pressure cooker and am looking forward to breaking it in soon.

I am also trying to talk my son and daughter-in-law into letting me teach them how to can. It's a skill I would like them to have and I believe it will pay off down the road.

But they are both busy and a can of veggies on sale are only 50 cents or so. But it's when there are no cans of veggies to buy that I am trying to get them prepped for.


24 posted on 02/04/2014 7:43:42 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: Kackikat

There has never been a time that it wasn’t important to be prepared.


25 posted on 02/04/2014 7:47:20 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Kackikat

I think Sam’s Club also sells 18-packs of chicken seeds in the dairy section near the butter. LOL


26 posted on 02/04/2014 7:53:16 PM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( 0bama's words are the distraction to the destruction ))))
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To: Kartographer

Canning, dehydrating, growing your own, raising small livestock, fishing and hunting ... these are all crucial and necessary skills.

Throughout human history, starvation has always been on our heels. Learn to make your own food or risk the consequences.


27 posted on 02/04/2014 7:55:47 PM PST by DNME (This is the government our Founders warned us about.)
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To: Kackikat
Spent a lot of my youth helping my mother prepare and can food. She was a prepper in a time when it wasn’t needed.

That's the way my whole generation grew up. Back in the day it wasn't thought of as prepping, it was just the way people lived. If we didn't pick and can food we didn't eat.

It was odd for people to not have food on hand. Now it is almost the exact opposite.


28 posted on 02/04/2014 7:58:46 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: Iron Munro

Thanks for sharing. I think I’ll read more about the subject.


29 posted on 02/04/2014 7:59:06 PM PST by windcliff
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To: windcliff
Thanks for sharing. I think I’ll read more about the subject.

You can get started very inexpensively doing tomatoes and some other things in a boiling water bath. Al it takes are some canning jars and a large pot.

Modern canning jars are just about foolproof if you follow simple instructions.

Then you can move up to a pressure canner.

It all seems more complicated then it is.

A widely used book that will help you get started is the Ball Blue Book.
You can buy a used copy for as little as $1.00 in many places.

Here is one place: http://tinyurl.com/Get-A-Ball-Blue-Book

Good luck.


30 posted on 02/04/2014 8:18:15 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: windcliff

If you like pickled eggs, can some of them.

My first canning exercise was canning pickled eggs, when all I had was a double hot plate and a hose bibb for water.


31 posted on 02/04/2014 8:21:55 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: taxcontrol

Wife: “Bunny!”
Me: “Dinner!”


32 posted on 02/04/2014 8:23:55 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Kartographer

I’d bet the author has never seen a chicken or planted one seed outside 4th grade science class. Do NOT use your grandmother’s canning cookbook unless you want to die. While a stand alone freezer is a great prepping tool, it will only keep your food safe for 3-4 days without electricity. One firearm is not going to be enough when you’re the only one on the block with food. Anyone relying on this article might as well buy a purple sparkly unicorn to guard the fence line. Very poor information.


33 posted on 02/04/2014 8:31:06 PM PST by bgill
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To: 2banana

12. then learn another skill.

13. then another....


34 posted on 02/04/2014 8:33:18 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Kackikat

I had a rabbit that would attack anyone who came near it. Had chickens (100+) that would dive bomb anyone coming near their shed. Cattle are much easier to handle.


35 posted on 02/04/2014 8:36:40 PM PST by bgill
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To: Iron Munro
Cheap available food is a big time saver but has had the downside of people loosing the necessary skills. Why spend half the day baking bread when you can buy it at $1 or 2$ a loaf on sale.

Spend a cold day at home baking bread once a month or buy a head of cabbage & make some sauerkraut once in your lifetime.
Can food just because once & while. Grow some potatos just to see if you can even though they are extremely cheap. Get the kids involved. My 10 year old grandson wanted to bake bread the other day. I got the recipe out & let him do everything, just pointed to where everything was in the kitchen. The loaves turned out beautifully, best bread he had ever tasted.

36 posted on 02/04/2014 8:43:02 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: bigheadfred
Here in the People's Republic of Boise, we can have as many as six hens, but no roosters. Building a hen house is one of my planned spring projects.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

37 posted on 02/04/2014 8:49:35 PM PST by wku man (We are the 53%! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXN0GDuLN4)
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To: Cold Heart
Why spend half the day baking bread when you can buy it at $1 or 2$ a loaf on sale.

Recently, I have been making biscuits with baking powder. The whole process takes about 30 minutes...from turning on the oven to ready-to-eat biscuits. Once I get really practiced, I should be able to shave off at least 5 minutes.

38 posted on 02/04/2014 8:59:09 PM PST by matt1234 (Hitler blamed the Jews. Obama blames the Tea Party.)
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To: windcliff
NEVER use an old canning book because there have been serious updated rules. Check the USDA site for the latest rules. The Ball Blue Book still has some questionable recipes. Whenever you combine two or more vegetables, meats and or fruits in a jar, ALWAYS process it for the ingredient which takes the longest time. Don't use canning recipes from the web if you're new to canning because they may have unsafe timings and have skipped important steps. About those steps, it's important to understand the WHY in them - timing, food density, headspace, multiple foods in a jar, etc.

Not to scare you off, but canning has rules for a reason.

39 posted on 02/04/2014 9:03:58 PM PST by bgill
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To: Kartographer

Coat extra eggs with food grade mineral oil. They will last many months. You will know if you have a bad one.


40 posted on 02/04/2014 9:10:45 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Cold Heart

Great advice.

Thanks.

I’m trying to learn/relearn how to grow a productive garden.
Used to help at the family gardens - they made it look easy.
Especially my uncle - he could grow the best tomatoes and other veggies in some of the worst, rocky soil imaginable.
But now I am finding that there is more to it than it seemed at the time.

So far the animals, insects and nematodes get more to eat than I do.

I think anyone who puts some seeds away and thinks “I’ll learn how to garden when/if SHTF time gets here” is making a mistake.
The time I want to learn is now, when our lives don’t depend on the outcome.


41 posted on 02/04/2014 9:10:52 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: Iron Munro; greeneyes; Marcella; JRandomFreeper

If you have not checked it out, greeneyes puts out a gardening thread every Friday which is a blast! LOTS of good info is shared. It’s a fun place for newbies and for the most advanced.

What you say about needing to learn gardening now instead of waiting until you are dependent on it is absolutely essential.


42 posted on 02/04/2014 9:31:45 PM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: bgill

It is about starting. I guess you jumped out of the womb running with a full mouth of teeth and hair on your chest.


43 posted on 02/04/2014 9:33:01 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I wish I could raise a few hens.


44 posted on 02/04/2014 9:38:56 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Kartographer; bgill; All

Our gardening thread that starts every Friday, discusses canning as well as growing veggies. Anyone interested in gardening and canning is welcome to join in.


45 posted on 02/04/2014 9:43:06 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Two Kids' Dad

Reminds me of a Texas A&M Aggie joke. A guy decided to raise some chickens but they all died. He wrote a letter to Texas A&M asking them what he should do. They wrote back and asked him what had happened. He told them “I planted them all feet first and they all died.”

The university wrote back “Send us a soil sample.”


46 posted on 02/04/2014 9:43:35 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Iron Munro

Mix bacteria soap and water and spray it on the plants. It’ll take care of most insects. As for tomatoes, you will have to have a netting over them or the birds will get them.


47 posted on 02/04/2014 9:47:09 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: ansel12

I’ve got it covered.


48 posted on 02/04/2014 10:43:41 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Two Kids' Dad

Chicken seeds? Are you daff? Unbelievable, I grew up on a farm.... chicken seeds? Chicken seeds? Well, as much as I like eggs....I have never heard them called seeds.


49 posted on 02/04/2014 10:46:30 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Iron Munro

That generation went through the Great Depression and learned from it well. Of course, it would have been wasteful to let so much land sit idle.

I think this generation has no idea what their grandparents and great grandparents went through in 1930s....there were zero grocery stores in this area back then. The stores were basically feed stores for animals, some flours and homemade goods were sold. People sold eggs or raw milk. There were places to get corn ground, and a blacksmith or two. The rest you had better be able to barter, or you had to have a cow, pig, chickens, etc on your farm...all the basics. I remember a great grandmother talking about making lye soap, apple butter, apple cider and a host of other things. We are in apple country here. The women were quilters...and lived like the Amish, albeit the food more southern fare. Some still do these things off the grid.

Both sides of my family the women were as good a shot as the men, some better. A family of ten had to eat...so here in the mtns there was some skinning/gutting before cooking, and lots of fishing. There was no running out for a gallon of milk...it was a bucket, you milked the cow, you strained the milk and made butter, etc.

Some of what they knew was not passed on in various areas of the country as PROGRESS came...that is what makes this a scary economy. I was fortunate to have milked a cow, fed the animals, and helped with a garden. I learned to survive.


50 posted on 02/04/2014 11:01:16 PM PST by Kackikat
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