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Disruptive Energy Generation
Exchange Magazine ^ | Feb 9, 2014 | Jim Sweeney

Posted on 02/10/2014 12:10:47 PM PST by Kevmo

Disruptive Energy Generation

London - With ever-declining reliability in supply and escalating electricity costs, more Ontario manufacturers are moving south. Remaining employers are hesitant to expand or to hire. At the same time the government talks about reducing the number of regional distribution utilities in a desperate attempt to obtain economies of scale needed to attract investment for upgrading legacy infrastructure. Old nuclear and coal plants require expensive retro fits, and transmission lines need to be expanded. Meanwhile solar installations by major industries and big-box retailers cut into the traditional captive customer base. Such then are some of the background economic metrics as the specter of LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactors) suddenly replacing both fossil-fueled plants and nuclear ones appear. And, the new distributed technology ultimately makes redundant an extensive national and international electrical grid.

Many readers will say, “What the hell is LENR?” Basically it is a form of energy where hydrogen interacts with nickel to create excess heat. LENR is not radioactive and there are no waste products. Low Energy Nuclear Reactors were perfected over the last couple of years by Italian and by American experimenters. As soon as the portable units reached the manufacturing stage, a couple of aggressive Asian countries granted patents while the US Patent Office played domestic politics by declaring “Cold Fusion had no utility.” It is also likely the US government wanted to ensure that research protect research grants continued to support hot fusion. A South Korean company promptly secured rights to produce and market the Brillouin LENR boiler, and a Chinese firm did much the same with Rossi’s E-Cat. China will now move quickly with these cheap and clean units to fix its air pollution problem, and allow its energy intensive industries to become even more competitive in world markets.

So until another company, perhaps Defkalion (Can) or BackLight Power (US) get Canadian and/or US patents, North American countries have no alternative but to import a game-changing technology. If Canada does not get a US green light on critical pipeline proposals, it might consider an end-run by immediately granting Canadian LENR patents to all comers. Such action is inevitable anyway, so we might as well do it now. This fixes our unemployment problem. That however, is unlikely to happen because some of our ostrich-like policy makers have their heads stuck in the tar sands. In fine tuning Ontario’s Long Term Energy Plan, the Minister in charge seemed to sense that just over the horizon was a cool solution to the energy mix quandary, and so he opted not to entrench nuclear in the plan. Surprisingly, he had the courage to quench coal-fired plants and to defer refurbishing of aged nuclear ones. Our astute visionary might have made funds available to universities for research and innovation on the means to replace dirty coal and dangerous nuclear

Submitted by Jim Sweeney, London, Ont.


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: canr; cmns; coldfusion; lenr

1 posted on 02/10/2014 12:10:47 PM PST by Kevmo
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; glock rocks; free_life; ..

The Cold Fusion/LENR Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles


http://lenr-canr.org/

Vortex-L
http://tinyurl.com/pxtqx3y

Best book to get started on this subject:
EXCESS HEAT
Why Cold Fusion Research Prevailed
Free Download:

http://iccf9.global.tsinghua.edu.cn/lenr%20home%20page/acrobat/BeaudetteCexcessheat.pdf


2 posted on 02/10/2014 12:12:50 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

Is there a LENR based pilot plant producing power?


3 posted on 02/10/2014 12:23:30 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: cicero2k

If there is, it’s being done in secret. Rossi has sometimes hinted that his first customer was military.


4 posted on 02/10/2014 12:25:06 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: FReepers
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5 posted on 02/10/2014 12:33:59 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Kevmo

“What the hell is LENR?” Basically it is a form of energy where hydrogen interacts with nickel to create excess heat.
‘’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
If they’d said this years ago rather than use the words “cold fusion” there might have been less push back on principle.

That said these folks would garner themselves a lot more money and attention if they could plunk down successful experiments in front of a lot of different audiences and have them poke and prod them so as to show the experiments do what they say they’ll do—even when they’re around unbelievers.

This article looks like its trying to gin up some buzz for lenr by suggesting that unless americans get with the program the asians are going to take away the biz.

This would be effective maybe if there were a biz, a working energy generator —or even an experiment. but so far the authors have not sold the public on even the experimental results.


6 posted on 02/10/2014 1:11:37 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

This would be effective maybe if there were a biz, a working energy generator —or even an experiment. but so far the authors have not sold the public on even the experimental results.
***The Cherokee Investments boys are no slouches. They saw Rossi’s demo, verified it with their own independent expert, and then reached for their checkbooks to the tune of $20M. LENR is moving past the point of scientific anomaly. Or, as you put it, the point where “ if they could plunk down successful experiments in front of a lot of different audiences and have them poke and prod them so as to show the experiments do what they say they’ll do”...

The Wright brothers went through a similar phase, from 1903 to 1908. They were treated to a steady stream of lookieloos who asked for demos but none of them were in a position to write a check & buy airplanes upon successful demo. That is, until the Army wrote up an unbelievable contract for a flying machine and the Wrights met every technical requirement.


7 posted on 02/10/2014 1:41:20 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

What year were the Wright brothers convicted of fraud?


8 posted on 02/10/2014 2:16:17 PM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

My point preCISEly.


9 posted on 02/10/2014 2:25:30 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

yeah, you may have a point.

In addition to the cherokee investors -—the energy dept made a line item available for lenr research
you might want to post both of these as they are they get into the mainstream media.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2014/01/04/doe-mentions-technology-behind-the-home-nuclear-reactor-in-funding-opportunity/

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-01/15/cold-fusion-moves-into-mainstream


10 posted on 02/10/2014 2:31:54 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

Already posted.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3108174/posts


11 posted on 02/10/2014 3:12:42 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

you should post the forbes article and the wired article.
.....

I can’t say that I understand or particularly believe any of it — but if someone has laid down 20 million and the feds are willing to stick their toe in the water—that means that someone with some understanding somewhere has evaluated the technology and seen something.

the story now bears watching. its moved out of blacklight territory — for awhile.


12 posted on 02/10/2014 3:52:16 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

you should post the forbes article and the wired article.
***I do not understand what you’re saying here, because I didn’t say that and neither did you...? So, what does it mean?

but if someone has laid down 20 million
***It’s real enough. No doubt $20M has been laid down , and I think much, much more.

and the feds are willing to stick their toe in the water
***By this I take you to mean SPAWAR, and NASA, and maybe 1 or 2 other orgs.

—that means that someone with some understanding somewhere has evaluated the technology and seen something.
***Well, there’s a trick here. LENR has been on the verge for a long time but no one would butt against the stupidity of current phycisism until Rossi. So the establishment brass who would choose to stay on top of things would continue to fund SPAWAR until there is some kind of showdown. That showdown is either right here or on the horizon.

the story now bears watching. its moved out of blacklight territory — for awhile.
***It’s fascinating that you consider blacklight an example of scammerybowlsheet. I agree, that the technology has moved past that territory, for awhile— but Rossi’s and others’ technology is so compelling that it is worth investigating. In Rossi’s case, if he’s a con artist, he’s among the top 3 in all of history. And I can’t think of 2 others... maybe Al Gore? Obama?


13 posted on 02/10/2014 4:35:05 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

It’s fascinating that you consider blacklight an example of scammerybowlsheet.

................
they’re just a company with great pr’s that year after year go nowhere beyond the company pr folder.


14 posted on 02/10/2014 4:42:25 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

For the most part, I would say... yup.

I put blacklight at 70% vaporware/30% genuine science/development.


15 posted on 02/10/2014 4:44:57 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: ckilmer
"That said these folks would garner themselves a lot more money and attention if they could plunk down successful experiments in front of a lot of different audiences and have them poke and prod them so as to show the experiments do what they say they’ll do—even when they’re around unbelievers."

Won't happen. Not because of a lack of successful experiments (there are plenty of those), but because the pathological skeptics simply refuse to examine the data. And that is true both here on FR and in the wider world.

Case in point. At last year's "Cold Fusion Short Course" at MIT (in the EE dept.....NOT Physics), Mitchell Schwartz demonstrated his "Nanor" generator. It ran for the entire period of the course (course participants directly took data from the calorimetry and did their own calculations of excess heat), for another two months in Hagelstein's office, and then a far longer time back at Schwartz's lab.

NOT ONE PHYSICIST bothered to walk the short distance across campus to even look at the system.

16 posted on 02/10/2014 4:45:42 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: Wonder Warthog

At last year’s “Cold Fusion Short Course” at MIT (in the EE dept.....NOT Physics), Mitchell Schwartz demonstrated his “Nanor” generator.
***Phyisicists realitists are simply not intetested.


17 posted on 02/10/2014 5:49:26 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: ckilmer

” but if someone has laid down 20 million”

No one has. It was a rumor started by Kevmo based on a blog by some dude that calls himself Jennifer.


18 posted on 02/10/2014 6:47:07 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator; Kevmo

” but if someone has laid down 20 million”

No one has. It was a rumor started by Kevmo based on a blog by some dude that calls himself Jennifer.
......................
I’ve been watching Kevm’s posts for years with skepticism. what do you make of this?

the energy dept made a line item available for lenr research

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2014/01/04/doe-mentions-technology-behind-the-home-nuclear-reactor-in-funding-opportunity/

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-01/15/cold-fusion-moves-into-mainstream


19 posted on 02/11/2014 7:55:28 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

“I’ve been watching Kevm’s posts for years with skepticism. what do you make of this?

the energy dept made a line item available for lenr research”

No it is NOT a line item for research. The paper is a request for proposals for research for ‘out of the box’ ideas.


20 posted on 02/11/2014 8:23:07 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: ckilmer

The Cyclone Engine is another scam.


21 posted on 02/11/2014 8:24:21 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator; Kevmo

I’m a fan of lftr thorium reactors. I think they’re the one’s most likely to take the cost of energy 1/4-1/10 current levels. That said:

the forbes article links to the DOE document
https://arpa-e-foa.energy.gov/FileContent.aspx?FileID=1c56ac4a-0acd-43ee-a2ec-ab80b33f4146

you can see the reference to low energy at

figure 3 page 7
Figure 3. A matrix providing representative examples of energy conversions within or between the six energy categories. Technical subcategories for submission are derived from these energy conversions (see Table 1).

3.6
chemonuclear reactors, low-energy nuclear reactions, nuclear fuel chemistry


22 posted on 02/11/2014 8:50:49 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: TexasGator; Kevmo

” but if someone has laid down 20 million”

No one has. It was a rumor started by Kevmo based on a blog by some dude that calls himself Jennifer.
.............
It does not look like a rumor. Rather it comes via a press release that was reposted.

There are several reports among energy journals about the transaction. Here’s one in oilprice.com.

http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Industrial-Heat-Acquires-E-Cat-Technology-Opening-Commercial-LENR-Frontier.html
Industrial Heat Acquires E-Cat Technology, Opening Commercial LENR Frontier

A major development in the story of LENR (low energy nuclear reactions, aka ‘cold fusion’) broke on Friday afternoon from Raleigh, North Carolina, with start-up Industrial Heat, LLC’s announcement via a press release that the company had acquired the rights to Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat technology.

Here is the link to the press release.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/industrial-heat-has-acquired-andrea-rossis-e-cat-technology-241853361.html


23 posted on 02/11/2014 8:59:45 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: TexasGator; Kevmo

Wonder Warthog posted about an MIT LENR session. I did a brief google search and came up with a Kevmo post last week that linked to the article which looks legit. Several freepers have taken courses with the profs cited.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2985920/posts

The ground may be shifting on this story.


24 posted on 02/11/2014 9:11:44 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

NO MONEY is mentioned. PERIOD.


25 posted on 02/11/2014 10:44:25 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: ckilmer

“The ground may be shifting on this story.”

Yes. Every year, delivery is NEXT year ....

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/171660-1-megawatt-cold-fusion-power-plant-now-available-yours-for-just-1-5-million


26 posted on 02/11/2014 10:53:57 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: ckilmer

“you can see the reference to low energy at”

Yes. You can submit your LENR proposal. Doesn’t mean you will get any money.


27 posted on 02/11/2014 10:55:26 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: ckilmer

“Wonder Warthog “

Wonder Warthog is a regular on one of the LENR websites. He is here spamming for them.


28 posted on 02/11/2014 10:56:19 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: ckilmer

Thanks for showing that is is merely one of the sub-categories for which a proposal may be submitted and that there is no money allocated by DOE for research.


29 posted on 02/11/2014 11:05:16 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: Kevmo

” So the establishment brass who would choose to stay on top of things would continue to fund SPAWAR until there is some kind of showdown. “

SPAWAR ceased funding LENR years ago.


30 posted on 02/11/2014 12:42:22 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: Kevmo

“They saw Rossi’s demo, verified it with their own independent expert, and then reached for their checkbooks to the tune of $20M. “

A few days ago it was 11 million. Now it is 20 million. And NO source for the claim!


31 posted on 02/11/2014 12:52:03 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: Wonder Warthog

“Mitchell Schwartz demonstrated his “Nanor” generator. It ran for the entire period of the course (course participants directly took data from the calorimetry and did their own calculations of excess heat), for another two months in Hagelstein’s office, and then a far longer time back at Schwartz’s lab.”

The dear Mr. Schwartz says he does not expect the technology to be accepted during his lifetime! What am I missing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVoxxcEWkAo


32 posted on 02/11/2014 1:39:47 PM PST by TexasGator
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” but if someone has laid down 20 million”

No one has. It was a rumor started by Kevmo based on a blog by some dude that calls himself Jennifer.
***What a bunch of horse manure. It was a Press Release from the investors.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&ved=0CFcQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prnewswire.com%2Fnews-releases%2Findustrial-heat-has-acquired-andrea-rossis-e-cat-technology-241853361.html&ei=3Jj6UoPGH46drgHIj4DoBg&usg=AFQjCNE91OBmPmnqFzzO2AP2omLnBKCadQ&sig2=UhclpjQAc0SgcNNsir7Z7g


33 posted on 02/11/2014 1:40:38 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: ckilmer

Unfortunately, ARPA-E isn’t really interested in LENR.

-—————www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg89562.html-——————


34 posted on 02/11/2014 1:46:24 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: TexasGator

I have asked you repeatedly to stop posting to me, seagull.


35 posted on 02/11/2014 1:48:03 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: TexasGator

Please stop posting such stupidity, and stop posting anything to me. Read the freepin’ article and you’ll see where the $11M and the $20M both come from. But... we all know you have reading comprehension problems so this looks like it will be a permanent problem for you.


36 posted on 02/11/2014 1:50:36 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

” Read the freepin’ article and you’ll see where the $11M and the $20M both come from. “

Who is Sweeney, the author?


37 posted on 02/11/2014 2:12:25 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
" Trolls, troublemakers, disruptors, forum pests, malcontents, RINOs, liberals, stalkers, et al, would continue posting to (harassing) someone after being asked to stop. Conservative FReepers would not."
38 posted on 02/11/2014 2:56:02 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: Wonder Warthog

I am a pest for posting that the lead authority on LENR does not expect to see acceptance of his technology during his lifetime?


39 posted on 02/11/2014 3:02:05 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
" Trolls, troublemakers, disruptors, forum pests, malcontents, RINOs, liberals, stalkers, et al, would continue posting to (harassing) someone after being asked to stop. Conservative FReepers would not."


40 posted on 02/11/2014 3:36:14 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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