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Why It's Time For The Peter Jackson Era Of 'The Lord Of The Rings' To End
Forbes ^ | 1.30.14

Posted on 02/22/2014 7:44:18 AM PST by Perdogg

Peter Jackson has made some remarkable movies.

There’s no denying that his sprawling Lord of the Rings trilogy was the very definition of epic—filled with massive battles, touching moments, and beautiful cinematography, not to mention a lovely score.

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
KEYWORDS: hollywood; lordoftherings; lotr; tolkien
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I love the Howard Shore OSTs. I have them all. I cannot wait for the OST for The Hobbit: There and Back Again.
1 posted on 02/22/2014 7:44:18 AM PST by Perdogg
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2 posted on 02/22/2014 7:46:24 AM PST by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: Perdogg
Tom Bombadil is nowhere to be found—that one mysterious figure who could put on the Ring with no effect, who could give it back without flinching (Sam gave it back, but he flinched) and who—according to Gandalf—would be the last man standing should Sauron lay waste to the rest of Middle Earth.

And absent Bombadil, we also lost the Barrow Downs and the wights.

But perhaps the most glaring omission in Jackson’s trilogy was the ending—the return of the four Hobbits to the Shire where Saruman had set up his miniature tyranny. Without going into great detail, this was the final straw for me when watching The Return of the King. The homecoming was important. The reactions of Frodo and Pippin and Merry were fundamental to bringing Tolkien’s tale full circle. …
Heh. I remember these types when the LOTR movies were still new, especially Return Of The King. Even the extended editions of these movies were over four hours long each; I missed the Scouring too, but could we really sit in the theater for six hours while that level of exposition went on?
3 posted on 02/22/2014 7:49:49 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Perdogg

And this is newsworthy because? Honest question, I don’t get it.


4 posted on 02/22/2014 7:53:31 AM PST by mgist (.)
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To: Perdogg

I don’t think there was any way that Tom Bombadil could have been in the story without leaving the viewer confused as to the danger of the ring and probably would have hurt the box office take.

But I think the Scouring should have been in the storyline to show that Hobbits weren’t as helpless as it seemed and that Saruman was still dangerous, even when he was at his weakest.


5 posted on 02/22/2014 7:57:46 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: mgist

This isn’t listed under news, this listed under general chat. If you are not interested, move on.

Thank you,


6 posted on 02/22/2014 7:57:58 AM PST by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: Perdogg

Couldn’t believe they stretched the Hobbit into 3 episodes.


7 posted on 02/22/2014 7:58:03 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Huskrrrr

It has been adultered to do so. I just finished the novel.


8 posted on 02/22/2014 7:59:19 AM PST by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: Perdogg

It’s a question of how much alteration there was. Jackson drew upon other Tolkien works to flesh out the storyline.

Yes, I do think the chase scene in the first Hobbit was a bit much because it was obvious to me that they were zig-zagging across a small field.


9 posted on 02/22/2014 8:02:45 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Perdogg
And absent Bombadil, we also lost the Barrow Downs and the wights.

I agree with him on this, but the first time I read LOTR I thought the scouring was anti-climatic. Maybe I was just disappointed the book was ending.

10 posted on 02/22/2014 8:07:25 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Perdogg
You know, sometimes one just has to appreciate entertainment as entertainment.

Jackson fought tremendous odds to deliver an economically viable and excellent product to the market.

Let's take some joy in this.

I challenge the author and critics to do better.

11 posted on 02/22/2014 8:08:21 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob

I agree it is entertaining. I especially love the music - in particular when Enya sings in Sindarin.


12 posted on 02/22/2014 8:10:59 AM PST by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: Jonty30
Yes, I do think the chase scene in the first Hobbit was a bit much because it was obvious to me that they were zig-zagging across a small field.

The river chase scene in the second Hobbit was dangerously approaching saturday morning cartoon standards.

13 posted on 02/22/2014 8:13:41 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Perdogg; Revolting cat!

I read an interview with Ralph Bakshi yesterday that was from 2008. He wanted Led Zeppelin for the soundtrack to the animated one.

Said the books were for the hippies in the East Village...


14 posted on 02/22/2014 8:14:58 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Perdogg
As much as I liked the Jackson LOTR trilogy, there were some absolutely idiotic additions.

For instance, in the Mines of Moria, as if it weren't a dramatic enough chapter, here's Aragorn telling Frodo "Lean forward!" so that the rock bridge they're standing on can teeter in the right direction.

In a word, asinine.

15 posted on 02/22/2014 8:15:53 AM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps!)
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To: Olog-hai
Was at the theater for ROTK. As the film ground more and more slowly to its conclusion, a young man in the audience shouted "End already!"

I couldn't have agreed more.

16 posted on 02/22/2014 8:17:56 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Olog-hai; Revolting cat!
Even the extended editions of these movies were over four hours long each; I missed the Scouring too, but could we really sit in the theater for six hours while that level of exposition went on?

Something that Hollywood has lost the skill of is telling a story. Especially an epic tale but storytelling in general.

Time was when a movie was over 2 hours, there would be several "acts" to the presentation, so that the audience got a dedicated break to use the restroom, get more popcorn since you will be in your chair another hour, call the babysitter, stretch your legs, grab a cigarette, etc.

It also helped audiences to process what they've just taken in, talk to their crowd, etc.

Now the stories just go on and on and on and on without taking a definite turn or any closure (until the end).

Theater owners think that breaks in the film would cut down on the number of screenings. (A) you can charge more for a 3 hour or 4 hour film, (B) the audience is more likely to buy some snacks midway in if they think they are going to be seated another 1:20. Instead, Hollywood doesn't give a damn when you step out to "take care of business". You pro'lly won't miss anything important. If it was, you'd be given opportunity to go at another time or strong warning signs that "something you don't wanna miss" is coming up.

Then again, people watch movies at home a lot now, so take a break every 15 minutes if you want, and you'll never be fully immersed in the tale. It's only a movie. It's only a movie...

17 posted on 02/22/2014 8:20:59 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: BenLurkin

Yes, there was a consensus of “too many endings” for that film. That was made mention of even in the audio commentaries on the extended-edition DVDs. It still cut down the number of endings of the book, which meant it must have been really difficult to pare down. Tolkien himself didn’t believe it was possible to translate the book to film in any wise.


18 posted on 02/22/2014 8:21:34 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: BenLurkin
Was at the theater for ROTK. As the film ground more and more slowly to its conclusion, a young man in the audience shouted "End already!" I couldn't have agreed more.

I've walked out of two plodding Lars Von Trier movies (AFTER the 90 minute mark). I shan't go to another.

19 posted on 02/22/2014 8:22:50 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: a fool in paradise

You think “Entr’acte” breaks would be a good sell in the theaters these days?


20 posted on 02/22/2014 8:23:12 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Perdogg

That was fantastic! There was a scene in the first movie where Frodo comes around a bend when leaving the eleven city and Galadriel is standing on the shore. The music crescendoes and there is a narrative in the background of hope, faith and strength. For a fanatasy epic is was particularly moving and a brilliant moment in Jackson’s efforts to capture the feeling of the moment.


21 posted on 02/22/2014 8:25:35 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Perdogg

Actually, although I enjoyed the movies, it became increasingly obvious that Peter Jackson didn’t really understand Tolkien at all.

In particular, the concepts of honor and nobility, which were so important to Tolkien, were completely omitted from the movie. I won’t go into details, but that was evident again and again.


22 posted on 02/22/2014 8:26:24 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Olog-hai
I can say I've grown sick and tired of all of the other over 2 hour films. And Scorcese didn't do much more with an additional hour of "film" in Wolf of Wall Street. Time was, film length was a consideration for the studios as well because each additional reel of film cost the studio money (a complete film print could run $3000 or more). More reels, meant more film (and more shipping costs). Now we are in a digital world nearing Charles Francis Jenkins' idea of "radiomovies" transmitted to theaters to be watched by a large audience, competing with his designs for television (what we call cable, transmitted by wire) and radiovision (what we called television, by broadcast signal).

I prefer to watch movies on film. I don't think the craft is getting better with the new technologies. They "photoshop" the colors in movies these days and run other "film process" filters over their videos to disguise the medium used. Would anyone be happy if "instagram filters" replaced all other forms of photography?

23 posted on 02/22/2014 8:30:07 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: a fool in paradise

I actually went to see that LOTR cartoon in the theaters when it first came out. What a bust. It just suddenly ended in the middle of a fight scene, with a note at the end, saying to watch for the sequel. Needles to say, the ‘sequel’ never came.


24 posted on 02/22/2014 8:40:32 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: Perdogg

Thanks for the ping.


25 posted on 02/22/2014 8:41:41 AM PST by GOPJ ("Great powers are driven by a mixture of confidence and insecurity.")
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To: Perdogg

it must be a slooooowww day over at Forbes if this is all their writers can find to bitch/write about


26 posted on 02/22/2014 8:45:20 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Olog-hai

Indeed. The totality of the director’s cut is TWELVE HOURS for what is really just one long movie in 3 chapters. ...and that’s not much more than a summary of the book. Add in Tom, poetry, the scouring, etc and you’ll get a miniseries so long few will watch it and few can afford it (with such top-end production values).


27 posted on 02/22/2014 8:51:04 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Perdogg

One of my favorite parts of the LOTR trilogy is the “Scouring of the Shire”. I loved Jackson’s films but I don’t understand why he messed with Tolkien’s storyline for Saurman. I was looking forward to seeing how he depicted the “Scouring” chapter.

Of course you cannot put EVERYTHING in a film rendering of any book. That’s why part of the fun of it is arguing over why the director did this or didn’t do that. It’s a great “shoot the bull” discussion starter.


28 posted on 02/22/2014 8:54:52 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: Perdogg
There’s no denying that his sprawling Lord of the Rings trilogy was the very definition of epic—filled with massive battles, touching moments, and beautiful cinematography, not to mention a lovely score.

I must have gone out for popcorn and missed the lovely sex scene.

29 posted on 02/22/2014 8:55:13 AM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is)
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To: GOPJ

I have not read the books. I loved the movies. This seems like nit picking. The Trilogy will stand as one of the all-time great movie series, along with “Star Wars,” “Rocky,” “Dirty Harry,” and perhaps the James Bond series.


30 posted on 02/22/2014 8:58:55 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Olog-hai
could we really sit in the theater for six hours while that level of exposition went on?

For the diehards, that wouldn't be a problem. Ever see the line up for a new i-phone? People pitch tents for that.

31 posted on 02/22/2014 9:10:52 AM PST by dragonblustar (Psalm 37:7)
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To: Perdogg

That didn’t tell me much info. Not really interested on clicking thru on my phone. Next time plz post a decent amount. Thanks in advance.


32 posted on 02/22/2014 9:24:25 AM PST by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: Jonty30

I missed the Scouring chapter. It showed what to do when confronted by tyranny, not only by the foreign enemy Saruman but his traitorous Hobbit followers as well. We here, especially, should “hold these truths to be self-evident. . . “ I think the omission was political correctness on Jackson’s part.

The churl with the pumpkin and the four heroes sullenly quaffing beer was as anti-climatic as possible.


33 posted on 02/22/2014 9:25:43 AM PST by Unknowing (Now is the time for all smart little girls to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: Perdogg

He’d have done better to make six movies instead of three, the same two-book-per-volume split Tolkien used.


34 posted on 02/22/2014 9:35:23 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Perdogg
I think Peter Jackson did credit to the trilogy, even if he had to trim some of the side tales and rearrange the chronology slightly. His vision of characters like the Balrog and the Orcs -- and even Gollum -- were as true to Tolkien's as if the director had read the author's mind.

The purists who complain about things like omitting Tom Bombadil -- an entirely useless and vacuous character -- wouldn't be satisfied if Tolkien made the movie himself.

35 posted on 02/22/2014 9:42:40 AM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack
"His vision of characters like the Balrog and the Orcs -- and even Gollum -- were as true to Tolkien's as if the director had read the author's mind."

I got the same impression from Jackson's work on the Narnia films...

36 posted on 02/22/2014 9:54:20 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Perdogg

Leading with complaining there’s no Bombadil (whom I find to be one of the most annoying characters in the history of fiction) doesn’t really get me to sign up.

When complaining about how a movie is different than the book it’s based on always remember the line from Stephen King, they didn’t change the book, the book’s right there, anybody that like the way it is in the book better can read the book instead.


37 posted on 02/22/2014 10:16:02 AM PST by discostu (I don't meme well.)
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To: Cicero

Yup. Just went right over his head.

To fulfill modern-dau expectations of character “growth,” I believe he felt impelled to include the ridiculous notion of Aragorn as torn and indecisive as to his goals.

Here’s a guy who’s in his 80s. He had fallen in love with Arwen at 20 years, and been engaged to her since he was 50. At this point he was informed that only a man who was King of both Gondor and Arnor would be allowed to marry her, setting up a parallel with the “impossible task” of recovering a silmaril for Beren to be allowed to marry Luthien.

So here’s a guy who has spent 30-some years working with great intensity towards this specific goal, and Jackson feels obliged to portray him as weak and unsure of himself.

In the books Aragorn was sometimes unsure what road to take. He had absolutely no doubt where he was headed in the long run.

But I blame this more on modern critics and intellectuals than on Jackson.


38 posted on 02/22/2014 10:29:05 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Olog-hai

Next time you watch “The Longest Day” complete and uncut — keep an ear out during the first half for repetition of the line “Hold until relieved,” right up to just prior to the intermission.


39 posted on 02/22/2014 10:38:53 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: IronJack

Jackson got the orcs very wrong, IMO.


40 posted on 02/22/2014 10:40:44 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

Possibly because places like England are in dire need of a scouring by the troops returning from fighting Muslims overseas — only to find that Islam has infested their own home Shires.


41 posted on 02/22/2014 10:47:55 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: gitmo

Hey...if you can’t rip-rap that Elf Yip-yap, you ain’t gettin’ none anyway.


42 posted on 02/22/2014 10:51:30 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: IronJack

Bombadil was originally a character in a poem that Tolkien composed prior to the LOTR books, in 1934 (three years before “The Hobbit”).


43 posted on 02/22/2014 10:53:46 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: a fool in paradise

LeD Zepplin — but not “Queen”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEM-Pewisqg


44 posted on 02/22/2014 10:56:47 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: mgist
Remember when they came out with those lavish DVD sets for Lord Of The Rings? I bought them all. Unfortunately, I've never been able to get through a single one of them. Just never find the time. I did see the movies in the cinema but never got around to watching them at home with all those extra scenes and whatnot.

In fact, I can say that for most of my DVD collection. For about a 10-year period, I collected over 200 DVDs that are now gathering dust in my basement. I had visions at one time of building a massive DVD library and building a "home theatre" of sorts in my home in which I would invite people over for a truly cinematic experience - sort of like Hugh Hefner in his Playboy mansion.

Alas, that never quite came to pass. Instead, when I am in the mood to watch something, I plug in headphones and run Netflix on my MacBook Pro and watch "House of Cards", "Breaking Bad" or "Lost" on demand. Netflix has mostly lousy movies but they have a decent collection of TV shows that don't have all those commercials.

Getting a DVD to play on the television is actually a hassle by comparison. I have to go down to the basement to find what I want to watch, then I have to insert it into the Blu-Ray DVD player (I still have yet to see a Blu-Ray DVD) and then I have to figure out what buttons on the remote control get me to the DVD and then you have to change the TV to VIDEO 2 or some such setting. Then the audio doesn't come on and you have to go to your stereo receiver and select the right channel to bring in the audio. Such a hassle.

My wife keeps telling me to put the DVDs on Ebay so I can get rid of them (some of them are still shrink-wrapped!) but I'm just too damn lazy I guess.

45 posted on 02/22/2014 11:55:11 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

You wouldn’t happen to have Charlton Heston in “The Warlord” would you?


46 posted on 02/22/2014 12:02:12 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: a fool in paradise

I agree.

Look at Gone With The Wind and Ben-Hur.

Long movies, both...yet audiences sat enraptured.

Ed


47 posted on 02/22/2014 12:02:48 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: LS

Here’s an interesting take on a subject... you might enjoy..

Time travellers: please don’t kill Hitler

http://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2014/feb/21/time-travellers-kill-adolf-hitler


48 posted on 02/22/2014 1:07:23 PM PST by GOPJ ("Great powers are driven by a mixture of confidence and insecurity.")
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To: BenLurkin
You wouldn’t happen to have Charlton Heston in “The Warlord” would you?

One of my favorite movies from my childhood. It can be watched for free online.
49 posted on 02/22/2014 4:29:16 PM PST by drjimmy
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To: Cicero

No I agree. I bought and eventually gave away my LOTR extended DVD’s because as time went on, the more I watched them the more I realized Jackson got it totally wrong. He dissed the high and lofty for the earth hippie vibe.

Have seen neither of the Hobbit movies in the theater. Rented the first one and it just reminded me of Jackson’s LOTR on steroids. Don’t know if I’ll rent the 2nd and 3rd or not.


50 posted on 02/22/2014 8:15:28 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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