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Understanding The Stress Response: It Can Buy You Valuable Seconds
SHTF Plan ^ | 3/4/14 | Lizzie Bennet

Posted on 03/04/2014 3:49:19 PM PST by Kartographer

Highly trained individuals are much more able to overcome the flight part of the response and stand their ground and fight. Equally, in a hopeless situation they’re training allows them to make the decision to retreat faster than the average person would. This should never be construed as cowardice, it is simply a tactical withdrawal that leaves them alive to fight another day.

Sadly some of those we may call ‘The Golden Horde’ may also possess the ability to make decisions faster than the average person. Those used to living on their wits will cope better in flight or fight situations than the average man simply because they have been in similar situations more often than Mr Average. Their most common reaction though is to fight, even when if they’d listened to the 10% of their brain not being controlled they would have realized it is unwise to do so.

It’s this that marks the difference between the gangs and highly trained individuals…those who are well trained know when to retreat for tactical reasons, gangs do it out of fear, and it’s this fear that can buy you time and make a hell of a difference to the outcome of a confrontation.

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This is something to consider. Though many are sure that they can stand up to 'Yutes' and 'Zonbies' in a SHTF situation it must be considered that many of these adversaries have be involved in multiple violent in counters including shoot at someone, being shot at and possible even shot. While most people have never be involve in a violent encounters their whole life.
1 posted on 03/04/2014 3:49:19 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 03/04/2014 3:49:36 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
qually, in a hopeless situation they’re training allows them to make the decision to retreat faster than the average person would.

Miss Bennet, it might behoove you to look into the differences of they're, their, and there.

3 posted on 03/04/2014 4:05:28 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Kartographer

Speaking of this skill in a shooting situation:
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My brothers and I figured out the same rules apply in painballing as you would in lead throwing.

You must work out your communications, verbally, hand signals and eyes and posture before engaging ir being engaged.

Even then, our plans had to be adjusted to new configurations of the opposition and if they learned to perform better as small units.

We treat the experience as if it were real and we generally win against much larger opposition as we have worked out tactics and communications to the point we can overtake men with fancier.paintball guns that basically turn into water hoses as they spray and pray while barricaded .

Man on move almost always lives...all others die.

We can distract those chumps, come up from behind or flank them.

Just as they are engaged on a flank, they are forced to deal with the new threat or game over....at that point communications takes place between team members and they are rushed at pre-planned ingress points
Dead man walking everytime.

We feel in those games that our primary focus is winning, at all costs and feel no obligation to rush anything for “time” as opposed to living and destroying the opposition.

Does no good to win if you’re the last man standing, but it works out that way sometimes, just as in real life.

The man that expects life and things to happen, plans in case it happen to him, stands a much better chance at prevailing ....


4 posted on 03/04/2014 4:12:22 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

“painballing”

These jokes just write themselves...


5 posted on 03/04/2014 4:28:06 PM PST by PLMerite
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To: Kartographer
when the time comes, the immortal Duke gave us words to live/survive by...

I found most men aren't willing, they bat an eye, or draw a breath before they shoot. I won't.

6 posted on 03/04/2014 4:28:49 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Kartographer
Though many are sure that they can stand up to 'Yutes' and 'Zonbies' in a SHTF situation it must be considered that many of these adversaries have be involved in multiple violent in counters including shoot at someone, being shot at and possible even shot.

Two things that may even the odds a bit are (1).Thousands of rounds fired at targets, animals etc. and (2).Protecting our property and families. In a SHTF scenario the first probably makes me a better shot than the Y&Z's who although they have done their drive by's and other encounters are not hitting the ranges. The second point is while gangbangers may want to retaliate against some slight to their fellow members I will have no qualms about putting my life out there nor wasting anyone coming after my family. Additionally, my wife is a mama bear when it comes to her cubs and a good shot too.

7 posted on 03/04/2014 4:30:43 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Kartographer

There is nothing honorable in dying against overwhelming, or likely losing, odds. That, in fact, is stupid. Retreat and live another day to come back (with better odds) and settle, should the situation again present itself or need to be resolved for all persons.


8 posted on 03/04/2014 4:41:47 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Kartographer

True. They are also used to using violence initially while the “civilized man” is more likely to attempt to de-escalate and lose. They have no qualms about not fighting fair and if they are not afraid of consequences when ROL exists it will be far worse WROL.


9 posted on 03/04/2014 4:42:01 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Kartographer

Growing up in the city, one learned that if you got bit and couldn’t handle it , it’s no shame to run away rather than take a beating.

Once you’ve lost, the extent of the beating is up to the guy that just hit you. And odds are he won’t be feeling charitable.


10 posted on 03/04/2014 4:43:17 PM PST by glorgau
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To: Kartographer; Old Sarge

I have played out scenarios in my mind that might happen outside and inside my house. I know what moves to make and when to make them based on where and what the zombies are doing. When I took the EMT course, I did the same thing as I went through that course - what is the first action to take coming upon a car accident - I had that down pat in my head.

Here’s an example of people in training to become an EMT and their failure to act:
First, I was the oldest in the group (so I had more life experience going through emergencies). The fire department was also at this training session and the damaged car was there. They had the jaws of life and got the driver’s car door open. But the back door was already open, so I went in that way while the rest of the EMT trainees were standing there watching the jaws of life. There was a driver in the car and I held the head of the driver still while the firefighters worked on the door.

As soon as that door was opened, I called one of the trainees to get a neck collar/brace and apply it to this patient while I held the head. That trainee did what I said to get that neck brace fixed properly. I had already looked at the patient to know there was no blood gushing from an artery and he was conscious, so when the neck was braced, I called for firefighters to help me get that person out. They responded immediately to help.

The trainees were gathered around a patient on the ground and I couldn’t believe it but they were putting a neck brace on with the patient face down on the ground. I gave up on that problem and saw the instructor going there to get them to properly turn over the patient with the head being held, for an inspection of “was he breathing?”, “was there arterial bleeding?”, “was he conscious”, and dealing with the neck, etc.

The point is, none of them had given any thought to what they were going to do FIRST, then second, third, etc.. They were waiting for someone to tell them what to do.

The instructor came over to me and said it was good I immediately ask the firemen for the muscle to get the patient out of the car once I had him stable enough to get him out.

Book learning is one thing, but action is another. That EMT medical book is thick and one needs to know what is in there, but if you can’t act to use it, it means nothing.

You can buy the fanciest handgun or rifle or hand grenades or cannon, but they are nothing if the person having those has no idea when to use them - when to act - you cannot just hang around watching and hope someone tells you what to do.

I live alone and I know when and how to act because I have to - certainly every head of a household had better know how to act before it is required. If I had children here, they would also know what to do based on some certain word or few words I would say to them.


11 posted on 03/04/2014 4:52:46 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Kartographer
Hi, don't know how this fits in...

I have been trained to go towards the gun fire. Explosions, back away or go forward pedal to the metal.

No matter, when you are ambushed everything sucks.

5.56mm

12 posted on 03/04/2014 5:26:42 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: SgtHooper

“There is nothing honorable in dying against overwhelming, or likely losing, odds. That, in fact, is stupid. Retreat and live another day to come back (with better odds) and settle, should the situation again present itself or need to be resolved for all persons.”

That’s all well and good if it’s only you. However, what if it is NOT just you that is threatened, but your family is, as well; and what if one or more of them is not as nimble as you, and cannot “run and live” for another day?

A real man will put himself between the threat and his loved ones, come what may.


13 posted on 03/04/2014 5:37:19 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: SgtHooper

tell that to the guys at the alamo. slowed santa ana down enough for others to gather an army and kick his ass.


14 posted on 03/04/2014 5:41:52 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Kartographer

3 basic survival mechanisms are Fight, Flight, and the often overlooked Freeze response. Classic case of a freeze response was Amanda Knox ‘ s reaction as the Italian police started to pin her for murder... she froze up and didn’t respond “appropriately”... people don’t recognize that response very well... or think it is something else.

Not that any of this has anything to do with the article, but it came to mind.


15 posted on 03/04/2014 5:43:27 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: PLMerite

I know.

Wrote it that way. If you’ve ever been shot in the hand or the back you get real good at avoiding it.


16 posted on 03/04/2014 5:52:53 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Rodamala

That’s cause little Amanda was making it up as she went at that point. The truth was no longer her friend,,, She suddenly needed to think up new responses that might hide what she was involved in.


17 posted on 03/04/2014 5:57:56 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

I never really paid much attention to the case while it was ongoing, but did happen to be channel surfing last summer when she was interviewed I think on CNN.

It was apparent to me that she (I suppose we disagree on this) was not a liar but rather was a bit “damaged” none-the-less. Strange affect... for sure.

I recommend looking up that interview online...


18 posted on 03/04/2014 6:08:59 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: Kartographer

bttt


19 posted on 03/04/2014 6:21:11 PM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Chode
There is also the words of Louis L'Amour's Con Vallian from his book 'The Quick and the Dead':"If you shoot, shoot to kill. They've all been shot before so wounding won't impress them none."
20 posted on 03/04/2014 6:52:19 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
LOL!!! 100%...
21 posted on 03/04/2014 6:59:23 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Kartographer
Go live in New Orleans for a week, that’ll change.

I had never been shot at till my family lived there for a time.

Learned alot in that city, was well prepared for the Marine Corp.

22 posted on 03/04/2014 8:26:21 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: SgtHooper; All

Unless you’ve got nowhere to ‘retreat” to, then make your peace with your Maker, and keep reloading.


23 posted on 03/04/2014 8:27:46 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Kartographer
Very few of the yutes will have an actual rifle.

The key to survival in these situations is DISTANCE.

Don't be afraid to reach out 50 yards or more...even 150.

Problem is, you'll have to choose between living and a murder charge unless it's a GENUINE SHTF situation.

Want to see a lightly armed but frenzied up crowd scatter? Drop a couple of them from 100+yds where they can't be sure where it's coming from.

Still, if you survive the encounter they'll be back. You have to move immediately along pre-planned routes.

If you let them get close, you die. If not the first time, the second time for sure.

Just remember the old cowboys and indians movies. Those who holed up at the homestead were usually burned out and killed.

24 posted on 03/04/2014 8:45:42 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
And, single armed men should go hunting.

Look for those zombies before they get close.

25 posted on 03/04/2014 8:53:38 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner; All
People read my advice and fully consider it.

In times of brazen looting and murder...our worst imagined scenarios where the EBT cards don't work and the lights are out...and the cops go home...running for the hills can be the cowardly and dangerous plan.

Be willing to fight and kill. And, be willing to do it first.

When those crowds form disperse them as soon as they turn the corner then pursue.

Mercilessly.

26 posted on 03/04/2014 9:05:27 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SgtHooper

That applies also when the JBTs surprise you early in the morning.

Best to escape and retreat, organize, find out who sent them, and “engage” on your own timeline.


27 posted on 03/05/2014 5:26:41 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: ought-six

My response was for a single person against one or more superior force(s).

Family, certain others? A whole different ball game. I agree with you.


28 posted on 03/05/2014 8:29:02 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Shadowstrike

Agreed.


29 posted on 03/05/2014 8:30:26 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

As indicated in a prior reply, my response was for a single person against a superior force(s).

Obviously, my response is not a blanket rule for all situations. When there are two of us against a superior force, that’s when things become more complex. The Alamo, they clearly decided, and had the time to decide, to sacrifice themselves for a greater good.

One good (G) against one bad (B) - fight or flight depending on the circumstances.

1G against two or more B - consider flight.

1G + vulnerable friend against 1B - consider flight, but might change.

And on and on.

There far too many scenarios to consider here and all the associated dynamics. I know exactly what I would do wherever I go and who is with me. I think it through as much as I can, ahead of time. Traveling with wifey? I am continually considering security in most if not all situations. It comes naturally with driving as well. If walking with wifey/family, where should I position myself to minimize harm to her, scanning around for possible “looks”, movement, etc. I enjoy doing this.


30 posted on 03/05/2014 8:42:05 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: SgtHooper

yes.


31 posted on 03/05/2014 9:46:34 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
tell that to the guys at the Alamo...

Hear, hear!

As we remember Texas Independence Day, just this past Sunday. There's a time to run, a time to fight, and sometimes you become immortal. Crockett, Bowie, Travis and the rest of the Defenders of the Alamo will not be forgotten as long as the name Texas survives.

PS: I like your tag line.

32 posted on 03/05/2014 1:18:01 PM PST by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: tpmintx

He explained he was more talking about a multiple-on-one attack scenario, not an alamo type situation. I didn’t catch that was what he meant, the first time.


33 posted on 03/05/2014 3:03:08 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Kartographer

Article makes a great point about the feral pack being too tacticle-stoopit to recognise a prudent moment to withdraw from their attack. You and yours can die even as they enemy wins what is for them a pyrrhic victory. So you can’t count on a logical reaction to resistance. Even the BGs are subject to normative-momentum response.

Illustrated at Rudby Ridge & Waco by the supposed federal betters who left no choice for fellow Americans but to hole up where they should have been safest. The government kept throwing more LEOs, more vicious weapons at them - way more certainly than merited on the initial charges against a single individual resident of either home.


34 posted on 03/05/2014 11:31:48 PM PST by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: Titan Magroyne

Geez.

tactical-stoopit, I meant


35 posted on 03/05/2014 11:32:30 PM PST by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: SgtHooper

“There is nothing honorable in dying against overwhelming, or likely losing, odds.”

Unless it’s a sacrifice, like the Alamo.


36 posted on 03/06/2014 10:10:39 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

3/6/1836 Was the final day at the Alamo.

I’ve always felt that being old and cantankerous, but otherwise infirm that my last battle would be a holding action to let my loved ones to ex-filtrate.


37 posted on 03/07/2014 9:16:57 AM PST by WhirlwindAttack (Shiny. Let's be bad guys. They are seriously beginning to damage my calm.)
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