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Obamacare blocks patients paying for treatment (with own money)
WND ^ | March 6, 2014 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 03/09/2014 1:39:00 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion

A new report by the Robert Powell Center for Medical Ethics at National Right to Life warns that one of the Obamacare provisions that ex-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Americans would discover if Congress passed the bill is that some seniors will not be allowed to spend as much as they wish on their health care.

The extreme position was revealed in a special report by the NRLC titled “The Affordable Care Act and Health Care Access in the United States,” which analyzes four fundamental policy areas of Obamacare.

It finds several ways that the federal health care law “will drastically limit access to life-saving medical treatment under the law.”

“These four areas include: the ‘excess benefit’ tax coming into effect in 2018, the current exclusion of adequate health insurance plans from the exchanges, present limits on senior citizens’ ability to use their own money for health insurance, and federal limits on the care doctors give their patients to be implemented as soon as 2016.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/feds-to-cap-what-citizens-can-spend-on-own-healthcare/#b5hEoOpbz80Dl2R2.99

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Health/Medicine; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; aca; conciergecare; deathpanels; healthcare; liberalfascism; medicalexpenses; medicare; obamacare; rationedcare; seniors; tyranny
My take:

You better have a passport to access the healthcare you may need in the future. Since they can ration who gets passports and even cancel passports, consider a second passport from another country.

Since they limit payment using your own funds to pay for your own healthcare, move some money outside the country in order to pay for healthcare outside the country. Be sure to file the FBAR, etc., in order to stay out of trouble.

1 posted on 03/09/2014 1:39:00 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Your King will determine WHO will live and who shall die.
That was what America decided in the last election.
Be patient. Determining skin color, party loyalty,
and moving assets to the DNC takes time."



2 posted on 03/09/2014 1:44:42 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
This just screams for a lawsuit. But it'll have to wait, I think, until someone is impacted personally by this excuse for a law.

I would hope that that is wrong and some lawsuit could be brought about under another approach.

3 posted on 03/09/2014 1:52:28 PM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: OldPossum

If you have to be injured in order to bring the lawsuit, they just need to wait (delay) after you file and you will die out from under the suit. See, all fixed, no lawsuit, must mean that the law was good in the first place, right? (sarc)


4 posted on 03/09/2014 2:03:15 PM PDT by mistfree (Their & There, they're not the same)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

sue them for discrimination........


5 posted on 03/09/2014 2:04:47 PM PDT by Doogle (( USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: OldPossum

I keep dreaming that John Roberts will awaken from his slumber and say “Enough of this crap”.

But I guess he is living proof that Supreme Court Justices can be BULLIED.


6 posted on 03/09/2014 2:06:12 PM PDT by CMailBag
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To: CMailBag

So much for the vaunted ‘concierge care’.


7 posted on 03/09/2014 2:07:24 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: OldPossum
This has been going on forever. If you have health insurance, you will not be informed of options that aren't covered.

I would think that this will put an end to new cures for things.

8 posted on 03/09/2014 2:11:21 PM PDT by grania
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To: CMailBag

He’s living proof they can be blackmailed. The Founding Fathers knew this was a possibility so they defined what it would take to impeach a judge. I guess they never figured that half of congress would be blackmailed, too. Or would be just plain corrupt.


9 posted on 03/09/2014 2:17:35 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

So, if I read this correctly, we senior citizens, who have paid for Medicare for decades and are still paying for and had the ability to save money and make it grow will be punished if we decide to pay for some medical services from our savings?”

Two excellent suggestions here:

“You better have a passport to access the healthcare you may need in the future. Since they can ration who gets passports and even cancel passports, consider a second passport from another country.”

“Since they limit payment using your own funds to pay for your own healthcare, move some money outside the country in order to pay for healthcare outside the country. Be sure to file the FBAR, etc., in order to stay out of trouble.”


10 posted on 03/09/2014 2:19:43 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

The bureaucrats seem poised to inflicting regs that prevent the insured (that is everyone, theoretically), from paying for and receiving treatment that has been denied or considered to be uncovered or experimental. This could apply to providers in and out of Medicare.
At the present time, Medicare patients can self-pay and receive uncovered services from a Medicare provider with an ABN (advanced beneficiary notice). Who knows whether this practice will survive. Medicare patients can also pay for services from an opted-out provider.
In theory, all experimental, uncovered, and cosmetic services could be prohibited. Even over the counter meds and medical appliances (braces, canes, walkers etc.) would fall into this category as uncovered treatment. But more troubling is that Pelosi and Kerry will have to go offshore for their facelifts.
I know that the commies really want to do this, but this is really an over-reach. States need to act by ensuring that anyone can pay for their own healthcare services if they so desire.


11 posted on 03/09/2014 2:21:23 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Nice idea, but I seriously doubt that many of us have such an excess of funds to send to foreign banks-rather like those who post that we must all “send a large donation” to this or that political candidate in every campaign, some don’t realize that not everyone-such as older blue collar people-can afford that stuff, so we’ll work to change things here so concierge works for us. And why would I trust a foreign bank in this economy if I had the money to put there?


12 posted on 03/09/2014 2:22:38 PM PDT by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: CMailBag

“I guess he, (Roberts) is living proof that Supreme Court Justices can be Blackmailed.”

Remember all the elites on this board and around DC telling us how smart and brave Roberts was with his decision, which enabled Obozo Care to become the law of this nation?


13 posted on 03/09/2014 2:22:55 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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To: CMailBag

I keep dreaming that John Roberts will awaken from his slumber and say “Enough of this crap”.

But I guess he is living proof that Supreme Court Justices can be BULLIED.


The Clinton’s had possession/access to A LOT of FBI files. Many in the GOP leadership won’t fight/resist the Communist party’s actions.

Makes you wonder who got compromised and who is being blackmailed.


14 posted on 03/09/2014 2:23:47 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“Equalization” is always a goal of socialists, and it always means that most people will have to have their situation diminished so that the “underprivileged” can be equal to them.

Socialism doesn’t elevate, it diminishes. Except for the elites who run the show. They get special treatment.


15 posted on 03/09/2014 2:29:23 PM PDT by Rocky (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. George Orwell)
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To: Texan5

“And why would I trust a foreign bank in this economy if I had the money to put there?”

Because many are far, far better capitalized and have far, far better reserves and liquidity than any US bank.


16 posted on 03/09/2014 2:33:20 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Since I’ve never been in a position to go putting money in a foreign bank, I’ll have to leave that safety factor to those who do, but I’m fresh out of concern-I barely have enough to live in this Obamaeconomy, with so little work. All my prayers and hopes are for more work...


17 posted on 03/09/2014 2:41:36 PM PDT by Texan5 (" You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: CMailBag

With Roberts it is Supreme Court Justices can be bought, bribed or all such terms. People should be advised of Robert’s going into the Vatican Bank on Malta with a brief case. This is in public publications.


18 posted on 03/09/2014 2:47:27 PM PDT by noinfringers2 ( /*)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; All
As mentioned in related threads, note that Obamacare Democratcare is based on the irresponsibly wide interpretation of Congress's Commerce Clause powers by FDR's activist justices in Wickard v. Filburn in the 1940s imo. In fact, I have yet to find a reference in Wickard to previous case opinions which clarify that Congress has no constitutional authority to stick its big nose into intrastate commerce, corrections welcome.
”State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress. (emphases added)” —Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

“Inspection laws, quarantine laws, health laws of every description (emphasis added), as well as laws for regulating the internal commerce of a state and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c., are component parts of this mass.” —Justice Barbour, New York v. Miln, 1837.

Note that some of the excerpts actually use healthcare as an example of things which Congress has no constitutional authority to regulate, tax and spend for.

19 posted on 03/09/2014 2:54:55 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Apparently if the death panel says you need to suffer or die, they want to be sure it happens.


20 posted on 03/09/2014 3:23:04 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

All of this is just Stalin disgusted in a nice suit, using obscure legalese to kill off all political opposition.


21 posted on 03/09/2014 3:36:35 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Be sure to file the FBAR, etc., in order to stay out of trouble.

Sorry you lost me here.
WTH is FBAR?

I'm a life member of AAAAAA, so I can't imagine what it could be.

22 posted on 03/09/2014 3:42:51 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

This was buried in Hillarycare as well - $50 000 fine or FIVE YEARS IN PRISON, per violation, for treating a patient (for money) outside “the system”.


23 posted on 03/09/2014 3:52:14 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

This is like Canada and the UK. They just tell you you cannot have a procedure no matter if you are willing to pay for it.


24 posted on 03/09/2014 3:53:59 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: publius911

FBAR... legislation requires you to declare your foreign financial accounts. It is filed once per year. Real estate owned in your name overseas excluded (so far). Assets in a lock box that you only have access to the key are exempt so far. Everything else must be reported.

Really, it is not a big deal. I suggest you google it to stay compliant.

ampu


25 posted on 03/09/2014 4:37:08 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; publius911
http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Comparison-of-Form-8938-and-FBAR-Requirements

Note where property comes into play.

26 posted on 03/09/2014 4:49:08 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Screw the farmers. I can get everything I need at the grocery store.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Remember all the elites on this board and around DC telling us how smart and brave Roberts was with his decision, which enabled Obozo Care to become the law of this nation?

I never believed that crap: Roberts was, and is, a shithead* — and I'm inclined to think very poorly of anyone defending his decision as good… I can't believe anyone who read the ruling could call it in any way good without being (a) in on it, or (b) mentally deficient/ill.

And don't get me started on [most of] the other Justices, the only one I've seen whose opinions seem to be [consistently] in line with the Constitution is Thomas.
[The Constitution is not what the Supreme Court says it is, for if that be the case then they are of higher authority than the Constitution that commissioned them, and that is an impossibility.]


(*Pardon the language, but the man earned that title.)

27 posted on 03/09/2014 9:15:49 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Thanks for your eloquent summary of Justice Roberts and his awful ObozoCare decision.

"Remember all the elites on this board and around DC telling us how smart and brave Roberts was with his decision, which enabled Obozo Care to become the law of this nation?

I never believed that crap: Roberts was, and is, a $ithead* — and I'm inclined to think very poorly of anyone defending his decision as “good”… I can't believe anyone who read the ruling could call it in any way “good” without being (a) in on it, or (b) mentally deficient/ill.

28 posted on 03/10/2014 7:56:22 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Obozo Care is a Trinity of Lies! Obozo Care is probably a serious Black Swan event.)
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