Posted on 03/14/2014 5:18:11 PM PDT by fabian
29 “ For I know this, that after my departing shall agrievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.”
you are a wolf type..and do not know it! I have written plainly and with commonsense for all those readers with a wanting to know the truth about the cult of the apostasy, to see.
” it was made clear that man could take away from that bible.”
Wrong in the Revelation it says that we should not take away or add to the Bible (in fact there is a stern warning against it). I reference Rev 22:9 “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.”
I would also add that He also states this in Deut. 4:2
“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.”
and “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 1:21)
I haven’t created anything. I dare you to actually find fault in the scripture itself (you can’t), but you never really answer me from this, only from your own twisted thoughts you claim are from the Holy Spirit, but since I test your beliefs against scripture (and they are found wanting) you clearly aren’t correct. God doesn’t contradict Him, otherwise He wouldn’t be God, therefore any revelation you personally “receive” from the “Holy Spirit” that is against clear Biblical teaching, is not of God, but of somewhere and (person) else..
All of a sudden, you’re quoting Scripture.
How .........
hypocritical......
your very quote from Rev. proves my point that scriptures can and indeed, have been, manipulated! That is why the warning is there.
You really do not get it, and it is not the scriptures that are at fault, it is you cult members total misuse of them that is. You have made the written words your God, rather than the infilled spirit. Period.
No, but I worship God Himself which wrote the whole WORD (Bible) and that’s really the purpose to have the Bible written so that we can understand and how one is to be saved, and so that mankind can be reconciled to Himself.
It is simple my friend: Eph. 2:8-9 “For by Grace you have been saved through faith, and this (faith) not of yourself, it is a gift of God that no man may boast”. It’s really very simple. The word is His means to save us through faith in Jesus.
The Bible hasn’t been manipulated and changed, God wouldn’t be very sovereign to having created us, this universe and all of creation, as well as providing His plan for salvation, just to let it become corrupted (it hasn’t, btw. the contents which are identical to even the earliest records we have: the Dead Sea Scrolls).
And you still haven’t proved that I have “misused them”!!?
not at all...I just know their proper place and I am not in NEED of them over my holy spirit within, which you guys are.
“and that’s really the purpose to have the Bible written so that we can understand and how one is to be saved, and so that mankind can be reconciled to Himself.”
That is a misuse of the written word. The early Christian had no New Testament, they were saved by the Holy Spirit that was spread amongst the world after Jesus defeated death...and themselves testifying to the new grace that was dispensed for all, who are willing. That is why you are misusing the bible.
The early Christians had the apostles themselves who testified to Christ, so they didn’t need the written word like we do (and that is WHY God had them write down their testimony of Him) and they did have the Old Testament prophets which as in Luke 16:31 “And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”
Which (the O.T. also testified about Christ, I would recommend especially reading Isaiah)..
It’s not a very logical argument you make.
yes it is logical....the holy spirit saves without the written word. The written word can facilitate that, yes...but not always needed.
You are severely limiting salvation and how it happens often.
the holy spirit saves without the written word. The written word can facilitate that, yes...but not always needed.
You are severely limiting salvation and how it happens often.
That’s not logical, because you can’t really know Christ and the power of His resurrection without hearing from the Word (though if God did tell someone about Himself through only the Holy Spirit, He would never contradict His written Word about Himself and His plan of salvation).
I would like to ask one thing: What takes prescedense? Your “Spirit” or what you believe is the “Holy Spirit” or The Word of God? What if this “Spirit” tells you some doctrine that completely contradicts A clear Bible reading of The Word?
I would finally end on this:
“Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ” (Romans 10:17)
The “word” you write about emanated from the spirit within a saved person. If what you were saying is true, then Jesus would have told all of us that we would need the written word to come to salvation. That is crazy. And the spirit shines a light within, it does not speak to us in a voice. It is flawless...because it is holy. The problem humans have is separating the voices and intellect, from the holy wordless spirit. the fhu.com has that pathway that is so helpful.
Fhu.com doesn’t mention anything about Jesus and salvation, but it does have some dubious doctrine/ideas.
You didn’t really answer my question, maybe you can’t since you just avoid the scripture I post which is GOD’s written word.
I dare you to just once answer the question I asked about John 1:1-5 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.”
WHO is “The Word”? Just answer this one scripture..
You need them to identify the spirit within you that ain’t the Holy one.
Your tagline is the crux of life. That describes our lives (a narrative) and what we are to do (look to Christ). Thank you for your tagline.
The holy spirit is not a voice, it is a wordless light within. It shows us right from wrong and shows us when we err. It is a blessing and has transformed my life totally. Thank God!
Wrong again.
The word shows us what is right and what is wrong. The Holy Spirit speaks to us and convicts us when we're wrong but the standard of right and wrong is set forth in Scripture. THAT'S how we can know if we're right or wrong instead of depending on feelings since the heart is deceitful above all else and desperately wicked.
John 16:13-15 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
The word is what shows us right from wrong.
Psalm 119:9-16 How can a young man keep his way pure? By guarding it according to your word. With my whole heart I seek you; let me not wander from your commandments! I have stored up your word in my heart, that I might not sin against you. Blessed are you, O Lord; teach me your statutes! With my lips I declare all the rules of your mouth. In the way of your testimonies I delight as much as in all riches. I will meditate on your precepts and fix my eyes on your ways. I will delight in your statutes; I will not forget your word.
John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.
It is a blessing and has transformed my life totally. Thank God!
*It*? The Holy Spirit is an *it* to you?
Is the Holy Spirit God or not? And if not, what is it?
you don’t even really understand the Scriptures that you quote. The word, often is a metaphor for spirit of God and Jesus. You cult members really are not so bright, sadly.
What is the Holy Spirit and who is Jesus?
If you think the word is a metaphor for the Holy Spirit and Jesus, then why do you dismiss it of being any value for speaking to us?
You’re speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
And being an experience junkie is not going to get you into heaven.
the true experience with the saving holy spirit most definitely is going to get me to heaven...thank you.
“then why do you dismiss it of being any value for speaking to us?”
I never dismissed the value of the holy spirit. You just don’t get it, nor what I wrote. It has value, the written word, but is not the dominate force in salvation, it is the Holy spirit within, which there is NO written word needed to save us with. That does not mean the scriptures have no value, of course they do. You totally do not get the truth of what I write. Too lost in your apostate cult.
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